Talk:Dock Ellis

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Does anyone else find it odd that Dock Ellis, when listed on a roster, would appear as "Ellis, D"? Say it aloud ("ell-ess-dee"). When I first read this story years ago, I dismissed it as an urban legend or drug lore. Apparently not!

I been reading up on his LSD No hitter, and find this articles information to be way off. I will correct it with the proper information latter.

Beaning Reggie Jackson

The way the article is written makes it appear that Ellis beaned Jackson during the 1971 All-Star game. I reverted User:Mojo Len's edit because it was unsourced and the tone was wrong for an encyclopedia. A little researching turned up an anecdotal post about the beaning occurring in 1976 because of the '71 home run, but I can't find anything that qualifies as a source that meets Wikipedia standards. Anyone else have more/better info? CarbonX (talk) 05:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

"Ellis' best season came in 1971 when he won 19 games for the world champion Pirates. He was the NL starting pitcher in the All-Star Game that year and gave up a famous homer to Reggie Jackson off the Tiger Stadium light tower. Five years later Ellis, pitching for the Yankees, beaned Baltimore's Jackson in the face in apparent retaliation for the All-Star Game home run." -- from Dock's obit at http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2008/12/20/2008-12-20_from_nohitter_on_lsd_to_hair_curlers_to_.html --CliffC (talk) 01:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Didn't realize this question was over a year old, have added the cite. --CliffC (talk) 01:59, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Huh?

Because the no-hitter was the first game of a double header, Ellis was forced to keep track of the pitch count for the night game.

I don't know what this means. 68.239.116.212 (talk) 00:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Added two links, thanks for the heads-up. --CliffC (talk) 01:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I came here to ask the same question. Is the idea that the second game could have gone so long that the Pirates ran out of pitchers, and Ellis would have to pitch again on just a few hours rest? That's something you'd do only as a last resort, right? But once you were in that situation, you have to use the guy, however many pitches he threw in game one. Right? So why bother counting? And couldn't somebody else have counted the pitches? The pitching coach, say, or another team employee? Or whoever is scoring the game? Nowadays they track pitch counts in every game, double header or no. Didn't they do that in the 70s?

With Google, I have found other pages with this same bit of verbiage. (They seem to be copies of each other, though I can't tell whether this article is the source or another copy.) But I can't find an explanation. I'm curious what the links are that CliffC mentions adding; perhaps they make it all plain. I'm stumped. TypoBoy (talk) 02:14, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

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