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Your name came up

at this thread. Cheers, --AndrewHowse (talk) 23:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

He's back

User:Middim13 appears to be back as User:68.49.118.180. Thanks - BilCat (talk) 07:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, if he continues to persist, I'll probably ask a checkuser for help with a rangeblock. -MBK₀₀₄ 07:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Thecolombygroup

Would you be willing to explain why you blocked thecolombygroup? I do not understand your block log entry. The user had only two edits. You blocked them with an indefinite block. Thanks.Wjhonson (talk) 08:31, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your response on my talk page. So you do not feel that your co-involvement in editing the Chris Botti page, even if only reverting that editor's entries may have positioned you as an "involved" editor in that article's content? And you do not feel that your block of this user should perhaps, in that sort of case, have been reviewed by another admin. Is that your feeling on this matter? Thanks.Wjhonson (talk) 23:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

ISS FAC4.

Hello there! As an editor who has posted a comment in one of the recent Peer Reviews, GANs or FACs of International Space Station, or who has contributed to the article recently, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind commenting in the current Featured Article Candidacy with any suggestions you have for article improvements (and being bold and making those changes), whether or not you feel any issues you have previously raised have been dealt with, and, ultimately, if you believe the article meets the Featured Article guidelines. This is the fourth FAC for this article, and it'd be great to have it pass. Many thanks in advance, Colds7ream (talk) 16:45, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Achim

This situation with Achim and these edits to (apparently) submarines, appears to be getting a bit testy. Achim as a new editor I'm sure would appreciate a bit of consideration being extended to him, regarding his edits and how to deal with his exact quotations and citations. I'll spend a little time today going over his past contributions and offer some suggestions to him. New editors are not going to understand all the nuances of this sort of situation, while seasoned editors may use such a situation to try to force the issue. I hope you do not mind my looking into this a bit.Wjhonson (talk) 22:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For watching my talk page while I was away I hereby award you the Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar. TomStar81 (Talk) 15:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

		The TomStar81 Spelling Award
		Be it known to all members of Wikipedia that MBK004 has corrected my god-awful spelling on the page USS Missouri grounding incident, and in doing so has made an important and very significant contribution to the Wikipedia community, thereby earning this TomStar81 Spelling Award and my deepest thanks. Keep up the good work! TomStar81 (Talk) 04:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for protecting CVN-79 and Soviet aircraft carrier Varyag. I'm not quite sure what the IP's problem is, but he's definitely not a newbie, though he trys to act like one. Do you understand what his issue is? Seems to be something related to AWB and the like, but i'm not sure. I've asked for an explanation at User talk:Rich Farmbrough‎, who does alot with wiki-markup and coding, but he's not responded as yet (perhaps he's asleep). Anyway, I hope to be off to sleep soon, so I may not respond until later. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 09:48, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Different browsers (or OS versions of them) sometimes handle CSS differently. The IP user may be trying to make the page look right on his system. One would need to ask techie questions to uproot the problem; it might end up only requiring he change some preferences/flags. — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 11:00, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

WP:ANI topic

Please see WP:ANI#Bogus PA warning from User:MBK004, from User:91.55.204.136. He couldn't write you directly, due to the semiprotection on your talkpage. — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 10:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Section blanking

In November, you gave a strongly worded warning to an IP for removal of content from the Arihant class submarine template. The user just blanked similar content from the article.[1] It has been awhile but it does appear to be ongoing. Would the appropriate to make a mention at the incident notice board?Cptnono (talk) 21:42, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

D'oh

Yep. I forgot. Silly me... :-/ I should correct that award then, shouldn't I? Thanks for pointing that out. Also, have you heard anything about the arbcom elections? I'm eager to know if you got a spot. TomStar81 (Talk) 01:40, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm rooting for in the arbcom election (I did actually get to vote in time, so you and a few others got support from me). I have no doubt that you would be great at arbcom, I only hope you won a spot so as to prove to the rest of the encyclopedia what I already know here at milhist: you're an outstanding asset. TomStar81 (Talk) 10:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

USS Taurus(PHM-3)

The reason I added the reference to the NATO Information is that I was Stationed onboard for 2 years and had reason to believe it to be true. I do know for a fact that the Gun Was Italian made, Dutch Radar, German Diesels and Gyrocompass, American GE gas turbine engine. I accept that I no longer have the original reference handy but I will research this.Big Roger (talk) 10:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Research done. US gov USS Taurus commissioning booklet at USS Taurus

see page 4. right bottom. sorry forgot to sign the Research Big Roger (talk) 02:29, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I haven't received an answer but it wasn't reverted. What does this mean?Big Roger (talk) 00:24, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't know if you revert it or if I just rewrite it. Thanks again. Big Roger (talk) 00:42, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

ArbCom

Sorry to hear about the results of the ArbCom election. While I was terrified that MILHIST and SHIPS would be all the poorer if you were elected to ArbCom, I still voted for you anyway. Better luck next time, mate!  :-) — Kralizec! (talk) 03:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

My condolences as well, but I encourage you not to give up on getting in. I have full faith and confidence that you will one day obtain a position, just don't lose faith in yourself between now and then. TomStar81 (Talk) 05:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

USS Montpelier

Hello MBK004, I noticed that you deleted my addition of the commanding officers for the USS Montpelier (SSN-765) because I did not provide sources. Part of the problem with this is that my resource for this information is 1) me, as I was a crew member from the time of commissioning through 1996, and 2) the Naval History and Heritage Command website. At the NH&HC website, I accessed pdf files of annual command histories submitted from the ship to the Director of Naval History. I'm firm on the dates of change of command, with the exception of one, that being the change of command between Cdr. Fiebig and Cdr. Seedorf. Rather sad, but I can't seem to find the actual program for that... and I was present. Nonetheless, I also note that the list of commanding officers for the USS Tuscon does not provide references. That being the case, why the total deletion of my contribution? I could understand asking to provide a source or sources, but I don't understand an absolute deletion. As for sources of info for the individual changes in command, I suppose I can provide external links to the pdf files, but the history of the ship for 1994 is missing as a pdf at the NH&HC site. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks...--Cenantua 16:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cenantua (talk • contribs)

Actually, I disagree. We do not have an issue because, as I stated in my first response, while I was there, I am referring to the pdfs. Whether I was present or not, I am still relying on accessible resource material that can easily be found on the Web.--Cenantua 16:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cenantua (talk • contribs)

I can appreciate your last response regarding the posting of the commanding officers for a ship. I also see that the CO listing on the USS Tucson page isn't consistent practice with active duty ships. I'll stick with tweaks in the narrative. Thanks.--Cenantua 17:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cenantua (talk • contribs)

Is the listing of ship's awards non-standard as well? I don't see that it is consistent practice in the 688I class submarines.--Cenantua 17:08, 21 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cenantua (talk • contribs)

Please follow Wikipedia rules, don't invent your own

RE: [2]

Read WP:RS. The source I'm using to support my edit is a reliable, published and verifiable source, specifically it's an article from the European Space Agency. You're reverting my edits without providing a clear, coherent and supported explanation.

Please explain, specifically, what points of my edit you're disputing and what sources, if any, you use to support your claim. Otherwise I'll have to assume your edits are not in good faith. --C1010 (talk) 18:33, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Your arguments do not support your claim:

• Another Wikipedia article cannot serve as an independent, reliable source, especially since you yourself admit that it "hasn't been updated in a bit".

• Your claim that the sourced ESA article is a press release is a subjective speculation on your part and cannot serve as a reliable source to support your claim. With a bit of creative thinking anything published by ESA can be viewed as "press release." Besides, there are multiple other sources that support my edit, for example, The Legendary Soyuz Booster.

• Your claim that European Space Agency has an interest in promoting Soyuz is speculative, disputable and, again, you don't support it in any way.

• Your accusation of "copyfraud" is completely false, see Fair_use, the source article was rephrased to support my edit.

With reference to the above, I have enough evidence to believe your changes are poorly supported, perhaps biased and not in good faith. Thus I will revert your edit.~ C1010 (talk) 19:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

"Soyuz is the worlds oldest and most reliable space launcher. With the exception of some new upper stages it is virtually identical to the R-7." European Space Agency and other reliable sources seem to share this view.

As a compromise, I will rephrase my edit and remove references to a particular number of Soyuz launches. This should resolve the issue. ~ C1010 (talk) 19:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello, MBK004. You have new messages at C1010's talk page.
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Welcome back!

I do hope your exams went well. Gad to see you back. TomStar81 (Talk) 18:30, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

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Moon men, part 2

It looks like 98.89.138.15 (talk · contribs) may be the sequal to the original fun [3]. — Kralizec! (talk) 15:14, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

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Thank you

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Don't mess with me

OK, MBK004, you asked for it, you shall receive. You have retained a defamatory personal attack about me in your userspace for two years. I became aware of it some months ago but decided to leave it alone. Recently I reconsidered and decided to remove it quietly. You are not satisfied with that? Too bad. It is not appropriate for you to retain such a blatant personal attack on me in your userspace eternally. I will not stand for it. Delete the sentence and apologize. I've been around this place for four years and I know how the noticeboards work. I know the personal attack policy. I know the MFD policy. And I know that what you have written about me is absolutely intolerable for a private userpage. I've had my RFAs blanked because I found some statements in them to be false and offensive. Your statement will be removed, too. If you want me to explain why the statement is false, see the page history of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Shalom Yechiel.

Heck, I'm not even waiting for you to remove the statement. I'll spare you the trouble. Go ahead and block me. Chutznik (talk) 20:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I guess you anticipated I might do that, but your edit summary will not go over kindly on ANI. It's incredible that half the voters approved you for ArbCom. You should be embarrassed for what you just did. Chutznik (talk) 20:23, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Hold on. How was that a personal attack? During the RfA prior to that one, you had been socking and vandalizing (see questions seven and nine[4]). That's not defamatory if you actually did it. However, MBK...bad choice of edit summary. :/ —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 21:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I know what the RFA says, but it's not true. Read this rebuttal carefully. I quote the salient portion if you prefer not to click on the link:

• Neither Kathryn nor anyone else ever cited a diff to show I was vandalizing during my second RFA. I searched all the IP addresses I had used before I applied for the recent RFA, and I found that I had not vandalized with any of them while any of my RFAs (first, second or third) were open. I presented this conclusion to User:Sarcasticidealist, who co-nominated me, at Sarc's talk page on Meta. [5] It emerges that the claim I was vandalizing during my RFA is simply not true. [Emphasis added.]
• It is true that I vandalized on May 28, 2007 as Special:Contributions/69.201.182.76 [6] and as Special:Contributions/Dodo Gogo. I requested adminship on June 1, 2007, just three days later. For that hypocrisy I will forever stand in guilt. However, I never vandalized during an RFA.

So I repeat my request to MBK: remove the statement about me because it is not true. Chutznik (talk) 22:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Chutznik, the link on MBK's subpage says nothing about you vandalizing during an RFA. You are also very much showing a battleground mentality. ANI is probably not the best place for you to pursue this as you'll likely be a victim of the Streisand effect. MBK, watch your edit summaries. Both of you leave each others subpages alone. You can drop this and move on (my suggestion), work this out amicably (also an good option), or escalate it at someplace like ANI (which would make it worse for both of you in all likilhood). — Rlevse • Talk • 23:19, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, MBK004 says Shalom "vandalized during his last RfA" [emphasis in original]. That's a falsifiable statement, and it's false. I want it removed because it is false. Making false derogatory statements about me is a personal attack. But if it's allowed, I can play this game too. Chutznik (talk) 23:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Not in the diff I saw, so give me the one you're talking about. And you going tit for tat doesn't help your case at all. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:32, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what diff you saw. Here's the text I removed and MBK004 readded. [7] It contains the words "vandalized during his last RFA." I find the tone of the statement objectionable, despite the conciliatory second sentence. FWIW, the original diff from 24 December 2007 appears here.

As for my new user subpage, I've got to give MBK004 a reason to do the right thing. I'm writing to someone who has called me an "ASSHOLE" then abused his admin powers to protect a page while a dispute about the contents of that page was in progress. Chutznik (talk) 00:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Your retaliatory page you made is wrong, no matter how you want to slice it. You're going about this all wrong. For one thing you admitted you've known about his subpage for months and then before you allow him time to address it, you edit it for on your own. While I don't condone his edit summary, I understand his frustration. I myself have protected some of own user pages, so I don't know if I'd call it admin abuse, you poked him on purpose and now you're trying to use it against him. You're far from innocent in this. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I also have questions regarding the initial action, at least. Why did you go and remove it without even attempting to discuss your concerns with him first? And then when he reverts you and protects it, you (1) come here with guns blazing, then (2) try to "retaliate" by creating a sub-page of your own? I have a feeling that you might have had an easier time of it if you had just asked or emailed MBK first. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 00:32, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Note - I've speedily deleted Chutznik's sub page, it's obviously an attack page. Parsecboy (talk) 03:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Parsec. I also have a request for you, please start working on SMS Goeben so the German battlecruisers will be complete for Operation Majestic Titan. I sympathize with you on that one because the majority of the current references are to Massie ... -MBK₀₀₄ 08:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Back on topic, Chutznik, why did you not come to me first and discuss this? I am open to entering into discussions with any user regarding matters either here on this page or via email. If you truly desired to have the offending statement removed quietly, I would like to think you would have emailed me instead of making this public through your actions. The ironic thing is that due to the Streisand effect more people have probably seen these statements then would have had you come to me first so we could deal with this privately. Someone like yourself who has been here as long as you have should know better than doing what you did without discussing it with the me first. As for your now gone subpage, making a quid pro quo of that nature is inherently risky and usually only brings more trouble upon yourself. That is something that I would definitely not expect an experienced user such as yourself to do. As to your allegations of administrative abuse, just protecting the page was not, I was preventing an edit war that I was fairly certain that you would have engaged in 3RR be damned. It would have been abuse if I had blocked you instead of protecting the page in question. Now, as to the edit summary, yes it was said in the heat of the moment after a stressful day, it was a momentary lapse in judgment which is extremely rare if you ask those who know me here. Yes, Christmas Day can be stressful under certain circumstances, please do not ask but everything is fine. As to concluding this extremely unpleasant affair, the diff currently on the page does not mention any of the issues you have brought forward in regards to vandalism during an RfA. So, the statement is not there, and it has not been live since I removed the statement and replaced it with the diff ten minutes after the revert in response to my cursory re-examination of the statement as well as my actual oppose on the RfA. Since the statement has been removed (for upwards of three days already), is this matter concluded? -MBK₀₀₄ 08:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for making that edit yesterday. It resolves the issue I was raising. I thought going into your user subpage and removing the sentence was a quiet way to proceed. I was surprised by your response. I apologize for making that user subpage. Those of you who point out it was not appropriate are correct. Chutznik (talk) 14:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

JSTOR

Hi MBK004

I'm researching medieval Irish churches and found out there have been quite a lot of interesting publications on this topic this century that I can't access, but that are available via JSTOR. Is it perhaps possible for you to send me copy of this work?

HABITUAL MASONRY STYLES AND THE LOCAL ORGANISATION OF CHURCH BUILDING IN EARLY MEDIEVAL IRELAND By TOMÁS Ó CARRAGÁIN, Proceedings of the royal Irish academy series C 105, 2005

Thanks a lot Greetings Wandalstouring (talk) 11:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

It took me a few hours, but I found a way to get the article. Wandalstouring (talk) 16:29, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Do not hesitate to ask if you need access again, I will still have JSTOR access for at least another calendar year. -MBK₀₀₄ 23:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Scouting broken

When Jan 1, 2010 rolled around this portal display went awry. I checked it on both my computers and it looks the same: some portlets display on the left with blank space on the right, some display across the whole screen, and then some display on the right with blank space on the left. I changed my screen settings and it doesn't help. I have not changed any of the portal's code, so one would think something with the new monthly content is breaking it, but I have no idea what. It displayed fine prior to that. Can you help? Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

yea, it seems to have fixed itself, go figure, New Year Wiki Gremlins I guess. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

An anon realized I left off <div><center> tags on the picture page, hehe. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Hope yours was a good as mine. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:08, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't as relaxing as I had hoped, but alas this is a new century and year... -MBK₀₀₄ 08:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I know that feeling... :/ Well, lets hope that 2010 will be better for both of us :) TomStar81 (Talk) 08:32, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

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CFM56 A-Class

Hi MBK004, the CFM International CFM56 article has just passed its Aviation A-class review. The article is also listed with a MilHist banner, so I'm not sure if MilHist wants to promote it as well. I don't know what the procedure is for that sort of thing, but I figured I'd let you know. -SidewinderX (talk) 13:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I have raised the issue with the other MILHIST coordinators, we had previously discussed this but had not come to a definite conclusion. -MBK₀₀₄ 23:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'll wait to hear what it decided.

Re:Video

LOL! That was hilarious. And it is sadly true...it seems that FAC is like that at times. Thanks for sharing. TomStar81 (Talk) 12:39, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Milhist task force reorganisation

Following the project's recent discussions, I've now merged the Science task force with the Engineering and technology task force to form the new Military science and technology task force. Because you were a coordinator of one of the two defunct task forces, I've transferred your coordinatorship to the new task force; you may wish to update your watchlist accordingly. There are still a few wrinkles being worked out, but most of the new infrastructure is in place and the rest should follow shortly. All the best, EyeSerene^talk 19:51, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

HMS Portland

Portland was launched on 15 May 1999, rather than 15 December unless I'm missing something? 15 December 2000 was when she was accepted by the RN, and she was commissioned on 3 May 2001. I'm going off the navy's page on her. navynews also uses 15 May 1999, though in the list of specifications they appear to have duplicated the details of HMS Norfolk. Benea (talk) 06:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I went off of the class page's referenced table. Hmm...-MBK₀₀₄ 06:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

It looks like one of User:Toddy1's trademark tables. Given that here is an article from 18 May 1999 reporting the press release of Portland's launch issued on 15 May, here is another source listing the launch in May. miramar and clydebuilt both use 15 May. I think there was a mix-up over launch and acceptance dates. Nowhere does 15 December 1999 appear as a significant date in the ship's history. Benea (talk) 07:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Here's a feature I didn't know about

[8] Should we be implementing this among other ship articles as well? Is it wanted? I don't really care either way, but I wanted yours and (if necessary) others' opinions. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 08:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, that is something that definitely needs wide-ranging consensus at both WT:SHIPS as well with the MOS people and the Village Pump, because I don't believe I've ever seen that used on a ship article before also. -MBK₀₀₄ 08:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

See, e.g., MS Empress.  --Lambiam 09:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh it is used on at least another article. Interesting. I'm with you MBK, because I had never seen that. Still, I'm not sure that it is necessary to get a wide-ranging consensus from MOS and the VP. Maybe SHIPS. It's not like it is a major change, nor any sort of big deal, and we don't need to get consensus from everywhere for everything we do. If we did, we'd be slower than our federal government in Washington D.C. :) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 19:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I saw that as well. I think it'd be fine to go ahead and do, but it would be worth discussing at WT:SHIPS so it can be added to our style guide. Parsecboy (talk) 19:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Ocean Pearl

First off, perhaps you could make a belated New Year's resolution to use a more friendly tone when communicating with other editors.

When I moved the article from MV Ocean Pearl to M/V Ocean Pearl, it was because I thought that I had made some mistake in the original move, not noticing it had been moved again by someone else while I was editing the article. I am not aware of any clauses in the Manual of Style discouraging the use of forward slashes in the names of mainspace articles or the use of {{DISPLAYTITLE}}. As far as I know, subpages in mainspace were disabled precisely with the express purpose of making such use unproblematic. Quoting from Wikipedia:Subpages#Slashes in article titles (main namespace): "Some topics have a slash in the name — e.g. GNU/Linux naming controversy or OS/2. This is not a problem. If that's what the thing is called, use the slash." We have plenty of such articles, such as OS/360 and successors and Input/output. Personally I don't see the redundant link to Talk:M at the top of Talk:M/V Ocean Pearl as a significant problem, and apparently I am not alone in this.  --Lambiam 09:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

The {{MS}} and {{MS}} templates are meant as a typing short cut for the convenience of editors when entering text. I don't see how you can turn that into an argument to constrain editors. And, quoting from Ship prefix: 'Sometimes a slash is used to separate the letters, as in "M/S".' I just was not aware of the fact that – for some unstated rationale – Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships) discourages the use of slashes in ship prefixes, and undoubtedly there are numerous other more-or-less arbitrary conventions in Wikipedia that I am not aware of and may inadvertently violate. Still, I think there is no reason to get so upset about such transgressions.  --Lambiam 10:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

The use of punctuation in ship prefixes is a matter of style, some sources will use periods (M.S.), some slashes (M/S), some use lower case (ms), some use no spacing, (MS) and some might even use dashes (M-S), etc. This is similar to how some sources will use full caps to write ship names (ARK ROYAL), or bold type (Ark Royal), or italics (Ark Royal) or plain text (Ark Royal), or a combination of some or all of the above. To standardise titling for ease of location across wikipedia, the format with prefixes that we see today has been adopted (HMS Ark Royal, RMS Titanic, SS City of New York, MV Eigg; and not H.M.S. Ark Royal, rms Titanic, S-S City of New York, M/V Eigg, etc). Benea (talk) 19:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

csd File:35wBridgecollapse.gif

Not the image, the image is on commons just the description page on wikipedia. A description page that contains just a cat entry [[Category:Free animated images]] the rest of the description is on commons.

Lists of ship launches

I notice you've been adding ships to the various lists. The category of ships for the relevant year is useful to check all ships in that category are on the list where the exact date of launch is known. Mjroots (talk) 11:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Ping

Check your inbox please. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 19:36, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Im sorry sir

Im sorry I did not know about the 2 year law, so with your permission can I delete the articles I have made in spaceflight of 2013 and 2014? I really want to know how to make those fancy boxes from all of the spaceflights and I want to help, I want to learn, so I can be useful. Mickman1234 (talk) 05:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Can I experiment on my personal user page to test out the boxes if they will work for me? Mickman1234 (talk) 06:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much for helping me :). Mickman1234 (talk) 06:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Military Historian of the Year - 2009

		The WikiProject Barnstar
		For your extensive contributions to the Military history WikiProject, as evidenced by your nomination in the 2009 "Military Historian of the Year" awards, I am delighted to present you with this WikiProject Barnstar. TomStar81 (Talk) 11:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)