User talk:Bishonen

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Ekdalian (talk) 13:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Delicious! Well worth coming back for. Thank you, Ekdalian. Bishonen | tålk 15:45, 12 July 2023 (UTC).

July music

July songs

my story today

My flowers of resilience. - Great music (in June, I'm behind: three great RMF concerts)! - Last Saturday, a friend played for us at her birthday party, on four instruments including baryton, with family (granddaughters!) and colleagues, from Renaissance to Haydn. - My story today is very personal: the DYK appeared on Wikipedia's 15th birthday, and describes a concert I sang. I was requested to translate the bio into German for a memorial concert ... - see background, and we talked about life and death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:11, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 20:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC).

more? fireworks on the Rhine pictured on 1 July, but the real stars were sun and moon. I love today's story. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago, and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. - A bit of QAI history on my talk, Br'er, RexxS and more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. I began the article of the woman in green. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Today Jahrhundertring, and I'm listening to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival, close to the scene pictured, - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:56, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Great, Gerda. I do appreciate it. Bishonen | tålk 20:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC).

Email

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Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:47, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I've replied. Bishonen | tålk 09:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC).

Thanks a lot. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

The sock has finally been blocked! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 11:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

User Varoon

Hey Bishonen, check Seewoosagur Ramgoolam. I studied the Indian Express newspaper source and edited that article on the basis of that. But that particular user is continuously reverting my edits saying that Indian classification are not relevant in Mauritius. I think WP: STICKTOSOURCE applies there. I was about to take that user to WP:ANI, but on their talkpage, I saw numerous messages of previous such reportings of that user by different editors. So, i chose to inform you.This will save our time.-Admantine123 (talk) 08:10, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Seewoosagur Ramgoolam was last edited on 15 December 2021. Johnuniq (talk) 09:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Good point, Johnuniq. Yes, Admantine123, please use the talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 09:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC).

It's not content dispute, it's clear vandalism. The source explicitly say something, but he is putting something else, as per his own opinion. A third uninvolved editor may verify this.-Admantine123 (talk) 10:35, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Even if you are correct, the other editor presumably thinks the edits are good (see WP:AGF which is a policy we are required to follow). A calm and clear explanation on article talk will clarify the situation for other editors. Johnuniq (talk) 10:59, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I have initiated a discussion on talk page of that article. But, I am sure that this is the case of WP:CIR. Let's see, what they say.-Admantine123 (talk) 11:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

They've continued edit warring without responding on talk, Admantine123. I've warned. Bishonen | tålk 17:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC).

Thanks Bishonen, this is a WP:CIR issue. They are not providing any source and reverting the sourced content as per their preference. I can't see your warning on their talk page btw. Please, also note the recent messages on their talk page, they all are about this particular user not sticking to source and edit warring on several other articles. -Admantine123 (talk) 17:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Wow, looks like I forgot to save. Good job you told me. Bishonen | tålk 18:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC).

To be fair

I have actually seen some unironic nazis / conspiracists claim that there is a Jewish / non white agenda to cause global warming. It's quite amusing tbh! GeneralHamster (talk) 13:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

OK. I don't think it goes in the article essay, though. Definitely not without a reliable source. Bishonen | tålk 17:03, 19 July 2023 (UTC).

Admin action review

I have asked for a review of your recent action at Wikipedia:Administrative action review#Unblock of Tony1 by Bishonen. Sandstein 10:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Advice

Hi Bishonen, awhile back I saw that you tried to deal with some issues with Gtoffoletto (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)[1]. Not asking for action on your part since it looks like you dealt with plenty there, just advice from someone familiar with them. It seems like a lot of the badgering, etc. has transferred over to the GMO periphery over at Environmental Working Group, a fringe organization in the subject. There's a bit of that going on at the last few talk sections at Talk:Environmental_Working_Group where they haven't been getting traction with edits (mostly due to MEDRS issues or WP:SYNTH), they don't address those issues, and just reinsert slightly changed text while accusing others of stonewalling. There's a bit of a cycle now where they've denied knowing what other editors are talking about, editors linking back to the very talk or edit summaries explaining those issues, and overall refusal to get the point that's made following anything from an outside perspective difficult. That or messing around with editors comments on talk pages[2][3] Constant just seems to be the word to best describe all this.

Since you dealt with similar issues from them (and they've accumulated a block log for this kind of stuff since you initially interacted with them), I was wondering if you had any advice on how to proceed with addressing the behavior side of this editor? It's been a headache having to repeat things so much that I honestly don't look forward to trying to sort out all the underlying behavior issues at admin boards. It's just been a mess trying to give them pathways to get consensus on the talk page for something only for them to lash out with stuff like this or barrel ahead with edits anyways. Thanks for any advice. KoA (talk) 20:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

EWG is a notable environmental activism group. For example, they publish a popular list of “safe” sunscreens. I think it is an error to characterize this group as “fringe”. Jehochman ^Talk 13:43, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Jaguar padding by ... Not to go all tangent-y here, but at least one highly reputable organization considers that list of "safe" sunscreens to be...suspect. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 14:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, but suspect is not fringe. There is a lot of room for scientific disagreement. The EWG list is based on an objective criteria: does or does not have some chemicals. There may be dispute about whether those chemicals are unsafe or not. No doubt the manufacturers think they are safe, as well as their consulting experts and groups who they sponsor. Jehochman ^Talk 18:21, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Request for protecting the article on Mahishya

Hi Bishonen.. almost all such caste articles are protected (in fact, mostly ECP), I am not sure why Mahishya is an exception! Would request you to take care of the user RohitSenapati55 as well, who is edit warring in spite of all warnings! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:34, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely, Ekdalian. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 07:44, 24 July 2023 (UTC).

Thanks a lot for your prompt action! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:49, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Tendentious editing by Nobita's associate

Hi Bishonen.. user CharlesWain has been following my edits for quite some time, reverting my edits wherever possible on some ground or the other! Latest examples are 1, 2 (supporting the master of socks, Nobita here), 3, etc. You might remember user DearDebasish, you had earlier blocked & unblocked this user, finally warned him for edit warring, and the user has changed their original name, DearDebasish!

I have always felt that this user doesn't edit neutrally as far as Bengali Kayastha / related articles are concerned, but couldn't confirm the same! One fine morning, when I checked Bengali Wikipedia, I found that all the socks/blocked users here including Nobita456 were pretty much active there doing exactly what we prevented them from doing in English Wikipedia! I had posted here at that time, so you may be aware that I fought against those users, Nobita was blocked in Bengali Wikipedia after I initiated an SPI, and finally managed to convince their admins that we should replace the poor versions of these sensitive caste articles by the translation of their respective articles from English Wikipedia.

Coming to the point, I was stunned to see that CharlesWain was active there in Bengali Wikipedia, and helped Nobita create a poor version of the Kayastha article, since Nobita's objective was to promote Baidya caste and undermine Kayastha (sounds silly) as part of medieval Baidya-Kayastha rivalry! You may check this talk page concern where a user is accusing DearDebasish (now CharlesWain) and questioning the neutrality of the article on (Bengali) Kayastha! I understand you won't be able to read Bengali; the user Sreema1990 mentions 3 points under the section named 'Intentional distortion': 1) Unnecessary/undue mention of Baidya as Brahmin-like caste in the article on Kayastha by DearDebasish & others; 2) Intentionally portraying Kayastha as Karan (caste) which is misleading; 3) Undermining Kayastha & considering them as equivalent to agriculturist castes like Mahishya & Sadgop but portraying Baidya as Brahmin (again accusing DearDebasish)! This is one such edit by DearDebasish! I can ping Satnam2408; Satnam, can you please check the above edits in Bengali and validate what I have mentioned related to Bengali Wikipedia!

I understand that Bengali and English Wikipedia are different altogether, but I wanted to share with you that such edits and accusations in Bengali Wikipedia clearly indicates the intent of DearDebasish, who has changed his name to CharlesWain, probably in order to avoid such controversies! Would request you to consider these and expect some sort of action against this user, at least a warning! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

The false claim that I am Nobita's associate is itself a clear-cut violation of WP:ASPERSIONS. Use talk page for the content dispute and remember that what happened in Bengali Wikipedia can be only resolved there, not here. CharlesWain (talk) 08:50, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

We're also very concerned about Ekdalian's behaviours in Bengali Kayastha page, which include, but are not restricted to, slow edit -warring, WP:OWN, WP:STONEWALLING. Thanks.CharlesWain (talk) 08:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

This looks like it's above my paygrade. Abecedare, Sitush, and RegentsPark, are you there? Bishonen | tålk 11:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC).

I am currently (slowly) reading a book to help with the Bengali Kayastha article. There is no doubt that Ekdalian and CharlesWain are at loggerheads, that Ekdalian sort of has ownership issues with Kayastha-related articles, that CharlesWain sometimes seems wayward at them. But I missed the Nobita fun, so am not going to be much help on this particular concern, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 11:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Honestly speaking, I don't have any ownership issue! Together with editors like Sitush,

Joshua Jonathan, and later LukeEmily, I have contributions in the article on Bengali Kayastha! I have been protecting (preventing vandalism & POV pushing) not just this article, but a whole bunch of articles including Baidya, Mahishya, Vishwakarma (caste), & hundreds of such articles! Though the original version of Baidya was written by us (I mean, together with Sitush), I welcomed TB & LukeEmily for changes, and the current version has major contributions by TB; still, I am the first person to revert POV edits, or say, point out the presence of socks! Today, I have reverted a typical POV pusher in the article on Sundhi, though the editors involved in the talk page discussion are other experienced editors!

CharlesWain couldn't explain their edits in Bengali Wikipedia (along with Nobita), which clearly show their anti-Kayastha agenda! Had we (neutral editors like Sitush, LukeEmily, Fylindfotberserk & others, and admins like you, Abecedare, RegentsPark & DougWeller) not been here in English Wikipedia, caste articles would have become a playground of POV pushers, and that is what we have seen precisely in Bengali Wikipedia, where users like Nobita, DrSunBD/socks and CharlesWain had created poor versions of these articles citing poorly sourced content! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 13:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian OK, then I retract that with apologies. It was just an impression: I wasn't suggesting that any sanction was required. - Sitush (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I am a long term editor. I work in broad range of topics and I am here to stay.

I work in Bengali Wikipedia too where I have more than 550 edits in more than 30 articles. Sharing a diff here of an WP:SPA with 30 edits ranting on me in Bengali Wikipedia wouldn't help. I will not stop trying to do what is right just because an editor who works in much narrow range of topics than me trying to create false narratives; WP:GAME. Thanks.CharlesWain (talk) 17:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Come on CharlesWain, you only edit Bengali caste articles and articles related to Mahishya caste; I edit almost all major Indian caste articles! And you have been trying to play Nobita's game! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 18:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Anyone can see ! CharlesWain (talk) 18:16, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I have seen edits of Sreema1990 on the Bengali Wikipedia. Their edits seem problematic. For example, they are adding a weird type of claim that in the Mahabharata, the Baidya caste was mentioned as a shudra born of a shudra father and vaishya mother without any source. I have overlooked Hutton on the Bengali Kayastha page (one of the diffs of Ekdalian reminds me). The source of Hutton was discussed in the WP:RSN here. Ekdalian has pinged LukeEmily and an uninvolved editor but has not pinged me, Fowler&fowler, or RegentsPark or others who expressed their concerns about the source. I think Sitush is correct. Satnam2408 (talk) 15:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Satnam2408, you are missing the point; we were not discussing whether Sreema1990's edits are good enough or not! We were discussing about the accusation, and it seems from the diffs I have provided that the accusation is based on facts; DD had created a really poor version of the article together with Nobita! Come on Satnam, we don't invite everyone in a discussion; a couple of experienced neutral editors serve the purpose. Don't forget, you have now established yourself as an editor; at that time, TB had portrayed you as a SPA on RegentsPark's talk page! Now, you have contributed in other articles and I can ping you if required. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 17:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

BTW, can you share the diffs where RegentsPark and F&f have expressed their concern! I am truly interested since I heard this for the first time! Thanks, Satnam2408! Ekdalian (talk) 17:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Satnam2408, got your point after going through the links you 've provided once again! So you are talking about the recent discussion! I just randomly picked two neutral editors & pinged them! I could see F&f's comments but RP was not a part of the other discussion regarding reliability of Hutton! But, I am concerned about the fact that you completely digressed from the discussion! I had requested you to validate my translation (Bengali to English); you spoke about Sreema1990's edits in another article and then about the source by Hutton! Thanks, anyway! Ekdalian (talk) 08:20, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey Ekdalian I believe edits by the editors should reveal their intentions. I cannot comment on Sreema1990's accusations (I have already specified). As for the information provided by CharlesWain, I can say that better sources can be provided there (I am talking about the translations you have provided and that's added in the Bengali Wikipedia by the editors). I have not edited the Bangla Wikipedia much, except for some in my early days, so I can't speak about the sourcing habits and culture in the Bengali Wikipedia. By the way, I think we cannot choose editors randomly to obtain support for a source under WP:CANVASING and I am not digressing, I am strictly following your diffs as You have provided here. Anyway, Thanks to all, Satnam2408 (talk) 15:17, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Satnam2408, you couldn't get my point, and I 'll leave it there! BTW, you want to say, instead of picking neutral editors like LukeEmily, I should pick someone like CW or one of the socks from Nobita's sockfarm! In fact, neutral & unbiased editors were pinged in order to get fair & unbiased opinion i.e. in order to avoid WP:CANVASING! Thanks! Ekdalian (talk) 17:16, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Complete misinterpretation! By the word 'chose' I mean to say ping. You have pinged two editors of your choice in the article talk page, and LukeEmily is one of them who has previously given approval for the source. However, you have not pinged F&F and others who have expressed concern (which I have reiterated),Anyway, I will discuss it on the talk page of the respective article once I get some free time from my professional projects. Thanks, Satnam2408 (talk) 17:25, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

We can't do anything about edits on the Bengali wikipedia but if there are any ongoing issues here, those we can handle. My hope though is that with Sitush currently active, consensus can be developed among the involved editors for any updates and improvements to the Kayastha/Baidya articles without Bish, RP and I having to play too much of a role. Call it lazy optimism. :) Abecedare (talk) 15:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrative action review#Unblock of Tony1 by Bishonen

Hi, this is in reference to the now-closed XRV discussion linked to above (permalink), in which you did not substantively participate. Please read the feedback by others there and reinstate the block at issue, because I still consider it necessary and your unblock irresponsible. Thanks in advance and best regards, Sandstein 11:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, no. I'm not sure why you direct me to the feedback by others (which I have read, yes). Zero people in the discussion asked for the block to be reinstated; several said explicitly that it would be a bad idea.

Come on, Sandstein, you don't really expect me to reinstate a two-week block three weeks after I lifted it, surely? Even if I had come round to thinking I was wrong to unblock (which I haven't), I wouldn't jerk a user around like that. Would any admin? Would you? Bishonen | tålk 14:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC).

@Sandstein The closing Admin, User:Cullen, didn’t back you. You have no business coming here, particularly as your review was out of process as you didn’t follow the required process. You've misread the rules completely and are making claims about who can initiate a review that contradict the instructions. Doug Weller talk 14:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

August music

August songs

my story today

My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK, see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". I just returned from a weekend with two weddings, so also like the spirit ;) - Pics to come, I promise one cake, the other was too large! Good music, and better even in the concert ending the second day, - Goldberg Variations theme for an encore, after Dohnányi Serenade! - I played with the dedication for Goldberg Variations in my Lohengrin entry 10 years ago ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Again not by me: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

A light in the darkness, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 20:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Now: picture of heart-shaped cake(s) uploaded! - Today's story is about a tenor, - why his roles are not linked on the Main page remains a mystery to me. Today is also the birthday of the Bayreuth Festival. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

One more day uploaded, with another wedding cake - I couldn't resist. Today's story is about the Inkpot Madonna who returned to "her place" 9 years ago, and also has aspects of early learning, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Philomathes2357

You topic-banned this person in January with a list of conditions [4] but their conduct has relapsed if you look at their recent talk page behavior. See [5]

Also, there is a strong possibility that they or someone aligned with them created a sock [6] who began immediately echoing their aspersions against Dlthewave 73.115.146.253 (talk) 13:13, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, IP. Philomathes' topic ban from American post-1992 politics, which I set as one of the conditions for unblock, was for 6 months only, from 25 January 2023. See [7]. That means the ban expired recently, on 25 July. As for the potential sock, yes, it might be Philomathes' sock, or it might not be. The opinions aren't that unusual. If you think you have enough evidence (I don't, personally), you could open an SPI. Bishonen | tålk 14:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC).

See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prima_Linea&diff=prev&oldid=1163858733

Philo broke the ban and is bludgeoning talks with walls of text again. 2607:FB91:1AEC:8646:AC39:B778:6AFD:D911 (talk) 14:24, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

That diff does not violate the ban, which was from post-1992 politics. According to the article Prima Linea, the group was active from the late 1970s until the early 1980s. Do you have any examples of bludgeoning talkpages? And, if you're going to come in from all different IPs, might you possibly create an account, so that I know whether it's the same person talking or not? Bishonen | tålk 15:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC).

Looks like you already did. Bishonen | tålk 16:27, 12 August 2023 (UTC).

Philomathes's conduct has continued to degrade. Now when the problems with their conduct have been pointed out they have begun demanding that other users cease participating in those talk threads and threatening to "seek two way interaction bans."

I also reviewed their past further to make aure I had a good understanding after they accused Andrevan of conduct towards them "dating back months and months" [8] but found no problem conduct from Andrevan. The current worst of the bludgeoning is at Wikipedia talk:Neutral point of view where they are rehashing their old just-prior-to-topic-ban arguments from Wikipedia Talk:Manual of Style/Words to watch, the same that they promised not to engage in during the unblocking discussions on their talk page, along with a couple of politics related pages where they are trying to remove terms such as "far right" and insisting that everything is "opinion," such as Talk: Breitbart News.

I am asking your review first as the prior blocking admin rather than going to a board since they seem unwilling to listen to anyone pointing out the legitimate concerns with their conduct. Lois Lane of Earth-12 (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Lois Lane of Earth-12 I see one request for an interaction ban, have I missed any? And I've asked who that is aimed at. I think it's Andrevan who posted to P's talk page. As for bludgeoning, given the number of replies and the agf etc problems, yes. Doug Weller talk 08:04, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller Philomathes made one at Andrevan and another I think was directed at me. Lois Lane of Earth-12 (talk) 12:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Lois Lane of Earth-12 I am not sure, I think that’s a problem with the reply feature. Andrevan, not you. Doug Weller talk 12:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Even worse. [9] Lois Lane of Earth-12 (talk) 15:29, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, this is interesting.

My thread on NPOV does relate to my pre-ban interests. To be clear, I recognize that a fair amount of my pre-ban conduct towards other users was unacceptable. However, the NPOV thread seems to have generated a lot of interesting back-and-forth, and I don't see how it's inherently problematic, nor do I see a consensus within the thread that the thread lacks merit. On the contrary.

It's intriguing that a supposedly "new user" created an account for, apparently, the sole purpose of singling me out. This is at least the third time this has happened. Am I paranoid, or is that a little bit sus?

I get very frustrated when people are rude to me, and especially when people mock or dismiss a strawman version of what I've said. I know I can be verbose, but there's a simple solution: don't read what I wrote unless you truly want to engage in a fairly extensive and deep discussion. If you don't want to engage with the material, there are literally millions and millions of other articles to read and improve.

However, I definitely need to learn to refrain from engaging with the non-constructive negative comments, because two wrongs don't make a right, and even if I think someone's being a d*ck or engaging in bad faith, an AGF violation on my part is not acceptable, and I get that. I and I alone am responsible for my conduct, and therefore I'm going to go ahead and give myself a voluntary 48-hour ban from Wikipedia to go outside and get some fresh air, effective immediately. Cheers. Philomathes2357 (talk) 04:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

"I can be verbose but there's a simple solution: don't read what I wrote unless"

I hope you would realize you're admitting that your walls of text are one of several ways you deliberately try to run oeople off, which is WP: BLUDGEONING. The solution isn't to demand that nobody who disagrees with you talk to you. The solution isn't for you to call people "illiterate" or start demanding interaction bans whixh I think is just you hoping to run off people who are not enabling you. The solution is for you to stop WP: BLUDGEONING. Lois Lane of Earth-12 (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Immediate reversion

Hello. Following last week's edit warring report [10] I find this edit [11] by User:Tgeorgescu to be troubling. Isn't consensus achieved by real discussion and official procedure rather than compatriots giving an opinion that sides with your own? There was no true discussion. I tried but he didn't seem interested in it, just a challenging tone and snide comments. There also was no effort on his part to do what you asked by getting a neutral third party to take a look see and mediate. And then there was this [12], which I also found to be troubling since it seemed to be an attempt to work around your lock and return the article to Tgeorgescu's preference. While I have no interest in dying on any hill, it just seems to me how he handled the entire incident was poor and not in the spirit of working on a solution. My edits were mostly grammar related and to achieve neutrality, nothing controversial. I suppose there's nothing left to do about any of this, but I thought you might be interested in how things ended up following the edit war notification. Thank you for your time. A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 12:28, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, User:Alaska4Me2. "Compatriots"? I'm not sure what you mean. Are you insinuating that the users agreeing with User:Tgeorgescu are meatpuppets? Please remember that we're supposed to assume good faith here. It's obvious to me that Tgeorgescu does have talkpage consensus for applying WP:RS/AC. Also, from the way you argue on talk, notably here, I have to join Tgeorgescu in wondering whether you have actually read WP:RS/AC, which has been mentioned so many times in the discussion. It doesn't look like it. Another point I'd like to make: you say "There also was no effort on his part to do what you [meaning me] asked by getting a neutral third party to take a look see and mediate". Right. I didn't ask Tgeorgescu in particular to use WP:3O; I suggested it to both of you. There was no effort on your part to do so either. Bishonen | tålk 18:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC).

Bad choice of wording. I meant similar viewpoints not that they are colluding together. I misunderstood your direction for the mediation. Since I've never had this kind of issue previously and am not as experienced as the other individual, I read it as you were wanting the other party to take care of it. Looking back at what you did say, I can see it was an either-or suggestion. I'll know better if I run into anything similar in the future. Thank you for responding! A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 19:36, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@Alaska4Me2: If you search en.wiki talk pages, that specific WP:RS/AC claim has already been discussed several times in the past. tgeorgescu (talk) 20:15, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Could you (or any tps) take a look

Alekm28 (talk · contribs) has created this draft Draft:Blazo Kovacevic. The artist is real but I can't find anything about an arrest. I know he has done work using x-ray technology before so I don't know if this is a hoax, an attack page or if I'm just naff at Google search today. Thank you, Knitsey (talk) 21:54, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

(tps comment) "...a situation that had captured the attention of the art world" -- clearly ain't so. Looks like a hoax and a rather egregious WP:BLP violation. My speedy-delete finger is getting twitchy. Antandrus (talk) 22:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, crap, I'm too slow as usual. I just wrote up a painstakingly good-faith-assuming note to the user and then went to delete the draft, but you had already zapped it, Antandrus. Oh well. You'd better talk to them, then, if you think they deserve it. Goodnight, all. Bishonen | tålk 22:42, 17 August 2023 (UTC).

(Hi Bishonen! Long time no see :) tempus fugit...) Antandrus (talk) 22:44, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks both. Knitsey (talk) 22:44, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Activating Farzad Pak Page

Hi dear, I had a question regarding my page that was not published. Then I realized that it was immediately deleted by you. Since i spends many weeks to learn how to create a page, I appreciate if you can at least return my page temporarily so that i can save the information and references I had included in my page. I think now i understand why my page was not published and I do respect that. I have a proven track record of an award winning film producer and I was under the impression that my colleagues created their wikipedia page by themselves. I appreciate if you can assist me on this issue. I just want to have acces to the information and references that i have included temporarily. Many thanks, Farzad Pakwith Farzad Pak (talk) 14:40, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Farzad Pak. I just wrote on your page and offered to send you your text, on certain conditions. Please read my post there. Bishonen | tålk 14:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Thank you, It really took weeks for me to realize how to link the references to my page with all the details and unfortunately I had no Idea of my wrong approach. But the information and references i put are very important to me Farzad Pak (talk) 14:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

I understand. Please read on your talkpage what I would like you to do before I temporarily activate your userpage. That will give you access to all your information and references. Bishonen | tålk 14:57, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Farzad Pak, please go to your talkpage — to User talk:Farzad Pak — and just make the promises I ask for there. I can't help you until you do. My post there is in the "August 2023" section. Bishonen | tålk 15:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Oh dear, there seems to be a problem, and I won't be online for that much longer. Apparently it's easier for you to find my talkpage than your own, so I'll just copy here my post from there:

Farzad Pak, I don't believe Theroadislong can provide your deleted text, but I can, since I'm an administrator. You can activate your Wikipedia e-mail in your Preferences if you like, and I'll e-mail it to you. Or, perhaps simpler for you, I can put your text into a subpage of the form User:Farzad Park/Autobiography, for an hour or two. I haven't done that yet — that's why the page link is red. But I will, if you reply below and a) promise that you won't put it anywhere else on Wikipedia, and b) that you will copy the text for your own use within an hour. I'm assuming that you want it for something other than creating an autobiography on Wikipedia. Please note that the creation of autobiographies is strongly discouraged here. See WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY.

You see? Please make the two promises I ask for, right here on my page, below, and I will put your deleted userpage into a subpage. Bishonen | tålk 15:23, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Problematic user

Hi Bishonen, See this user Proverealbiharhistory . I think its a vandalism only account. I noticed him after his recent edit on Mithila region. This user is doing disruption on a number of pages.-Admantine123 (talk) 17:35, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Admantine123. Clicking on the user's contributions, I immediately got stuck on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anga (region), where I spotted another problem user (or well, at least another account... you know how that goes, and the names are similar) which took some handling. I don't really think I'm cut out for much adminning in this area, though. Talkpage stalkers? Abecedare, RegentsPark? Could you please just take a look at the contributions, if it's convenient? Bishonen | tålk 19:16, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Complaint against the exaggerated banners of WMF

Edward-Woodrow recently wrote a letter, addressed to the editors on the Wikimedia projects, staunchly advocating against the exaggeration of the economic situation of Wikipedia (specifically on Banners) in order to obtain funds, against the misuse of the funds by WMF, which gives these funds to other unrelated projects, and against scandals such as that of the Golden Parachutes. Here is the letter: User:Edward-Woodrow/complaint. Feel free to sign in support if you want to. Have a good day Reman Empire (talk) 17:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Reman Empire. (Cool username!) I was aware, in fact, since I'd been reading the Signpost, and am still thinking about it. A suggestion for you: when you tell people about this, I think they'll get more, and more focused, information if you refer them also to the Signpost article and the following discussion, which I believe was Edward-Woodrow's inspiration for the letter. Bishonen | tålk 18:18, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Thanks for the Info. It will be of great use Reman Empire (talk) 18:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

As an info, just in case, it was juste moved to village Pump (miscellaneous). Reman Empire (talk) 18:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

In case you have any questions

Hi Bish. I hope all is well. Some time ago, I got the impression that you would prefer that I stay off your talk page, so I've been trying to honor that, although I don't feel that way and hope it was just a misunderstanding. So I hope it's OK for me to post this. I saw at someone else's talk page today that you have some concerns that relate to me and an AE thread. If you'd like to discuss that with me, I'd welcome that (but of course if you don't, that's OK too). Just let me know. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:27, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, it wasn't just a misunderstanding, Tryptofish, but you're welcome to post here at this time. Of course you're talking about my post on Nishidani's page. I don't think there's anything to discuss about it, though, as I simply said exactly what I think of your AE action. I wouldn't expect you to agree with my opinion, and that's all right. Bishonen | tålk 18:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

I'm really sorry that you feel that way about me, but we don't have to agree. You seem to hold a lot of anger at me, but please understand that I have no anger towards you. However, you described me as seeking a pound of flesh, and since the content in question revolves around Jewish people, that's something that makes me feel a need to say something in my defense. I'm going to say it, and you don't have to agree with it, either. Maybe other people who read what I say will understand better. What I saw on the page was a lead sentence that said that science had "affirmed", shown that, yup folks, just as you had been suspecting, there is a "hierarchy of races", some races better than others. (I'm a scientist, and saying that science has affirmed something is a much stronger claim than saying that science had found some evidence for something; science often accumulates all kinds of evidence with concluding that something has been affirmed. I see some other editors at the AE who appear not to understand that. And similarly, there can be all kinds of genetic differences between people, but those don't give rise to a hierarchy in which some groups of people are placed above or below others.) It was that other editor, not me, who had written that, although I believe that the way it sounds was inadvertent. I tried to change it to be less troublesome. I didn't make a stink about what I had found, but just attempted to make it better. I did a mediocre job of it, and readily acknowledged that other editors had subsequently improved on it. I never insulted any of the other editors at the talk page. But at AE, there are people who are making it sound like I had come along and created a racist-sounding sentence where none had been before, and the other editor was right to have called me out. That it was just a level-headed talk page explanation of why my edit had created a problem that needed to be corrected. That's nonsense. Tamzin was right that it was just a borderline violation of the existing logged warning, but enough of a violation that it could not be ignored. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:27, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Don't give me "Jewish people", please. Are you suggesting I used an antisemitic metaphor? I know perfectly well it refers originally to Shylock. But you know perfectly well that it's a trope that has long since left any Jewish moorings and is widely - widely! - used without any such associations. Bishonen | tålk 19:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

See how easy it is to make someone's remark sound worse than what was intended? That's what happened to me. But in all seriousness, I really don't want to be in a dispute with you and I really have only positive opinions of you, so I'll leave you alone now. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

I think that there is a strong argument for pursuing this. Whatever Bish maybe saying now. Accusing a Jew of seeking a "pound of flesh" is highly dubious. I'mm certainluy considering taking in to ANI. Dronkle (talk) 21:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I think it's best to just drop this now. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:04, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Starkex

Hello there. User:Starkex, who you topic banned from "all pages and discussions concerning India, Pakistan, and/or Afghanistan" has been repeatedly violating this ban, with only a handful of edits since then not being clear and obvious topic ban violations. Do I need to file an enforcement request, or given the egregious nature and frequency of the violations can it be addressed without needing to fill in forms in triplicate and get them stamped by the appropriate person. Thank you. TPF 1951 (talk) 08:08, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the alert, TPF 1951. Topic banning admins depend on people telling them about this stuff. No, of course you don't need to fill in any forms; I'll take care of it as soon as I've had breakfast. Bishonen | tålk 08:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC).

@Bishonen

Where was I "officially" banned? I haven't found a log (except a message you left on my talkpage) that mentions me citing I was banned from the topics via jurisdiction due to "violating". Starkex (talk) 09:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Starkex, are you saying you didn't notice this big pushy yellow template with the header Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement topic ban? The one where I said I had the authority of an Arbitration Committee decision, and where I urged you to please read WP:TBAN to understand what a topic ban is? And where you were warned that violations of the ban could lead to blocks? And where you were invited to contact me on my talk page if any of it was unclear to you? Or are you merely saying you didn't read it? As for your not finding it in any log, there was a link to the Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2023 in the yellow template. Here's the log entry for your sanction. Bishonen | tålk 10:57, 22 August 2023 (UTC).

Where can I appeal bailout? Starkex (talk) 11:01, 22 August 2023 (UTC)