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Tomyris

There is two theory about this some historians believe she was Turk and some other believe she was Iranian . It needs time to find other references but now according to these sources, Massagetean and also Queen Tomyris was related to Turkic people :

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_sheet_of_book_%22An_Archaic_Dictionary_Biographical,_Historical,_and_Mythological%22.png

2.

The book: Hunted through Central Asia by Paul Nazaroff

3.there is some other references for this : https://tarihvearkeoloji.blogspot.com/2016/03/tomyris-queen-of-massagetae.html

Mrjbmrjb (talk) 22:02, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

First off;

1. An Archaic Dictionary: Biographical, Historical, and Mythological, by William Ricketts Cooper, dated 1876

Outdated, and William Ricketts Cooper was never an historian.

2. Hunted through Central Asia, by Paul Nazaroff.

Not a book on history and Paul Nazaroff is a geologist not an historian.

3. https://tarihvearkeoloji.blogspot.com/2016/03/tomyris-queen-of-massagetae.html

Blogs are not reliable sources.

So you have presented zero historians. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:34, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Success!

Scroll down for your name.[1] He's a good guy. I voted for his reconfirmation as a steward by the way. Doug Weller talk 07:48, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Thanks! Sounds like a proper vote; he sounds promising. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:39, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Just replied to your email. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Azar Bigdeli copyedit

@Miniapolis: Thanks! - LouisAragon (talk) 18:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Glad to help! All the best, Miniapolis 18:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

List of Hindu Empires and Dynasties

That article sounds like WP:OR. How Kambojas, Kushan Empire, Alchon Huns, Kabul Shahi, and some other linked articles were Hindu? In what aspect? --Wario-Man (talk) 22:18, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: The inclusion criteria seem to be very vague. Hindu in origin? Hindu rulers at some point? Hindu citizens within its domains? - LouisAragon (talk) 23:37, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I think the user who created that article, just adds any dynasty who touched a part of India or used Sanskrit. We have List of Muslim states and dynasties and List of Sunni dynasties, and I think while they are not important articles, they are based on facts. But this is definition of Hindu:

• "Hindus are persons who regard themselves as culturally, ethnically, or religiously adhering to aspects of Hinduism. Historically, the term has also been used as a geographical, cultural, and later religious identifier for people indigenous to the Indian subcontinent."

So how those dynasties fit in "Hindu"? --Wario-Man (talk) 04:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: I believe the later Kabul Shahi were Hindu kings, also known as "Hindu Shahis" (per André Wink). Not really sure about the Kushans, Alchons and Kambojas. It appears some rulers of these entities adopted certain aspects of Hinduism/Hindu culture, while they also ruled over Hindu peoples (in addition to other peoples). Does that make them "Hindu empires/dynasties"? Anyways, these topic areas are not really my field of expertise. But I believe you did the right thing by removing them and adding tags. Some of those entries looked dubious to say the least. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

As you know, the identity, origin, and background of a dynasty, kingdom, or empire is not simple. e.g. maternal side of Ottoman Sultans were diverse, but did it change their identity? Or being a Muslim dynasty is equal to being an Arab dynasty? Also there are cases like Timurids; a mix of East, Central, and West Asia in many aspects. Calling those dynasties Hindu is wrong unless there would be some reliable sources that use term "Hindu X". I'll watch that article. Thanks for your reply. --Wario-Man (talk) 00:35, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Map on Iraqi Kurdistan

Sorry about that I should have checked the revision history beforehand. I went to the page and found it unreadable and tried to put in a fix for it. Didn't realise this was a previous spam problem. Thanks for fixing that. snood1205^{(Say Hi! (talk))} 16:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Snood1205: I know you meant well. Thank you for your kind message. Take care, - LouisAragon (talk) 20:34, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Safavid occupation of Basra (1697–1701)

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Safavid occupation of Basra (1697–1701) has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Best of luck with your GAN.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 22:39, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@Twofingered Typist: Many thanks! - LouisAragon (talk) 23:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Twofingered Typist (talk) 12:54, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Have you seen this?

• Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Seraphim System/Archive

He requested 6-month ban and then created 50+ sock puppets! Just take a look at the names of socks. 10/10 WP:SCRUTINY. Do you think he's related to Team Tirgil34? --Wario-Man (talk) 03:11, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

One of the socks was certainly involved in denying the problem of pan-Turkist changes to Eurasian articles and accusing myself and MMFA of racism for suggesting it. I didn't see any actual problematic edits though. Probably if the protections at Huns were lower. Ermenrich (talk) 05:00, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

User:Dilbilir? Seraphim System had OK edits in his contribution history but he had pro-Turkey bias and POV-pushing mentality. I don't think a normal user would perform a plan like SS' sockpuppetry project. His SPI case shows a paid shill activity in my opinion.And Tirgil34 is one of the most toxic cases I have encountered on WP. Not only he's still active here, but he spreads his propaganda via other websites like his website(s), YouTube, internet forums, and etc. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:16, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

It seems odd that a shill would self-block and also try to have all the articles they created speedily deleted though. Maybe it's more than one person, given that they seem to have variable strength at English.--Ermenrich (talk) 23:26, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

It sounds odd but it's not an uncommon behavior among sockmasters. Sometimes a sockmaster creates several accounts and tries to make each account as undetectable as they can. That's the reason why they have different writing style, English language skills, or even very different personalities. Sometimes sockpuppets revert each other, argue with each other, and participate in discussions. But yes, there could be a team behind Seraphim System. In my opinion, it's not impossible that a Turanist or Pan-Turkist group operate as Tirgil34. Because the way he promotes anti-X stuff (X: Iranian, IE, Russian, European, and etc) on Internet, is not typical POV-pushing. It's a propaganda. --Wario-Man (talk) 05:59, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

"(...) but he had pro-Turkey bias and POV-pushing mentality" -- From what I remember, the disruptive part of SS's editorial pattern was marked by POV pushing on Armenia-related topics; in particular, Armenia-Turkey topics (e.g. Armenian Genocide, Armenian Highlands). SS is known to have initiated numerous edit wars on these articles.

As for the 50+ sockpuppets, a "wise" man once said: "It is very easy to make good edits on obscure subjects. It is also very easy to make bad ones, to make deliberately bad ones, to knowingly insert content ranging from distortions to blatant lies to make the articles follow your agenda. And it is easy for that faulty content to remain there because of the obscurity and specialization of the subject." Seraphim System was making both sort of edits: he was a problematic editor not because of his socking, but because of his editing aims revealed through his content additions. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:52, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. BTW, Does Achaemenid Empire have enough topics (culture and etc) for creating a Navbox? I created Parthian and Sasanian navboxes, so I feel my work is incomplete without Achaemenids. Aren't you interested to create it? --Wario-Man (talk) 02:04, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: The Achaemenid period is still underdeveloped on Wikipedia, but I think there are enough articles to create a template. Its a huge topic, so it may be somewhat difficult to decide which articles should be included on the template, and which should be not. Having said that, I'm not really interested in creating a template myself atm. IMO we need to start rolling out some GA/A/B-class articles first (not counting those Greco-Persian Wars articles, which were written using atrocious sources) in order to create a proper "core" for this topic area. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

And watch this guy and his activity.[2][3] --Wario-Man (talk) 07:18, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

And for the lulz.[4] The blue parts are Tirgil34's discoveries. That's how he works. He finds something and mistranslates, falsifies, and adds his personal stuff to it. Then spread it everywhere. His BS blog is blacklisted but unfortunately some editors still add his stuff to WP articles thanks to Google search. --Wario-Man (talk) 17:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: Ah yes, I remember him, he tried to Turkify Tomyris using non-RS "sources".[5]

That archive link you sent is pure banter. "After the Aryans moved to the Middle East, they called the country Ariana, i.e. “Aryan country” or Iran (from Türkic ar “man, warrior”, with abstract suffix -an. The name does not have an IE etymology." Kek. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:05, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

What do you expect from a Pan-Turkist/Turanist paid shill who is anti-Iranian, anti-European and denies the existence of IE languages? He just promotes some kind of Sun Language Theory and tries to restore/revive it: "Everything was/is Turkic". The good thing is while he's very active on YT and a forum called theapricity and still creates account here[6][7], he almost played all of his cards on EN WP. I remember how he infected many articles in 2012-2014. If you notice any similar activity, be bold and submit SPI case. Because as you know, he creates dozens of accounts to avoid detection. BTW, see Sogdia and its talk page. --Wario-Man (talk) 16:34, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

The name of Kavadh I

Hey - been expanding the Kavadh I article and I must say, I don't think I have yet seen the usage of the spelling 'Kavadh', I've seen a lot of 'Kavad' and 'Kawad' though. What do you think? Article move tiem? --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:49, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran:

• Kavadh Sasanian

42 JSTOR hits.

3.740 Google books hits.

• Kavad Sasanian

141 JSTOR hits.

2.840 Google books hits.

• Kawad Sasanian

96 JSTOR hits.

717 Google books hits.

"Kavadh Sasanian" gets 1 BrillOnline hit (PS: you might like this entry?[8]), while "Kavad Sasanian" gets 18, and "Kawad Sasanian" 10.

Thoughts? - LouisAragon (talk) 16:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Seems like I'm requesting for a move to Kavad I then. And yeah that source looks interesting, do you have access to it? --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:55, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Unfortunately not as I'm not subbed to Brill. But I'm sure Cplakidas or the guys at WP:REX could help you out. PS: perhaps you'd like getting these sources as well.[9]-[10]-[11]-[12]-[13]-[14]-[15]-[16]-[17] Please let me know if you need any of the Oxford or JSTOR sources (I'm subbed to both). - LouisAragon (talk) 02:13, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

[18] Sigh.. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:20, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Yeah. Not sure what to say. MC is a respectable editor, and has done splendid work on Wikipedia so far, but I'm afraid he's starting to make massive errors on West Asia articles as of lately. This is what I had to revert not that long ago.[19]-[20] I'm 100% sure he made these edits in good faith, but in regular occassions, these edits would have been labeled as outright WP:AA2 violations. There are still hundreds of articles to be made to cover all Safavid/Sasanian/etc. governors. It appears he seriously thinks Sistan/Khuzestan/Kartli/Kirman/Gurgan, etc. only had 2 governors during the Safavid/Sasanian/etc periods? There were empires/entities that existed hundreds of years, and there are literally dozens of peer-reviewed sources that make mention of governors that held office within these entities/empires (Floor's Titles and emoluments in Safavid Iran comes to mind, amongst many others). Just because we have only covered a small fraction of these governors so far, it doesn't mean those categories should be deleted. In short: all those categories will be populated in the future. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:37, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Wrong edit

Apologies for my wrong edit in Bahman Mirza Qajar. I read about the other governorships and I don't understand how I missed reading Tehran. My default double-check (auto-search text string, in this case search for "Tehran") unfortunately did not reveal the oversight either because the article spells "Teheran" in the part where it discusses the governorships. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Marcocapelle: No worries, I know you meant well. Thank you for your message. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:45, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Wiktionary

See here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Four Award

		Four Award
		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Teresa Sampsonia. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:46, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Well done. A fine and fascinating article. The first Four Award of many I hope. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:26, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: Many thanks! Yeah, I hope so too haha. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:00, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Teresa Sampsonia scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the Teresa Sampsonia article has been scheduled as today's featured article for April 27, 2019. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 27, 2019, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so.

We also suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors on the day before and the day of this TFA. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Alliance School Kermanshah

Hello LouisAragon. You did a good job improving my article Xerxes’s inscription , which I am grateful for that.It is nice that we are both interested in the history of Iran and I can learn from you,

I have an article in draft," Draft:Alliance School Kermanshah". I have gone through it three times and put in it as much sources i could find.I wonder if you could take a look at it and let me know what else it needs and what more I can do to it.I translated it from Wikipedia Farsi in the first place, Thank you.Alex-h (talk) 13:36, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Could you review this article?

Hi. Looking at this article, I think it fails to summarize its sourced content and it may have some POV/OR stuff. Could you check it? --Wario-Man (talk) 04:32, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Compare it with other related article. Sections "In scripture and folklore" especially the third paragraph does not sound NPOV. Also see [21] and [22]. I guess he manipulated those articles. Because every time he changes a WP article, he uses them on that forum or YT. --Wario-Man (talk) 09:12, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: Good find! I removed what seemed to be the biggest violation of unsourced WP:OR, and added a few tags. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:31, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Also take a look at Origin of the name Khuzestan and this; used IP-hopping and their total contributions to other articles do not look unbiased. Check from the first edit.[23] And this onerequires your attention too.[24]--Wario-Man (talk) 15:45, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

POV

Stop your POV on Turkey. You think its a Middle Eastern country and at the same time you think a country like Poland is in the west. How silly of you!