User talk:Parsecboy

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LNN

Hello, I'm writing in regards to your comment here. First off, do you know what "lnn" is? If so, a simple explanation (as was requested) would be quite helpful. Second, if redirecting "lnn" to "LNN" is so detrimental, why didn't you just undo it? (you are an admin, right?) Anything you can contribute here to clear this up would be appreciated. Thanks - thewolfchild 01:22, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello again, I note that you have actively edited since I posted my question here. I will assume that perhaps you didn't notice, and therefore will ask again for you assistance. Thank you. - thewolfchild 01:37, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I did not see this earlier. I much prefer the old message notice system, since the new "you have new messages" doesn't tell you how many you should be looking for. In any case, no, I don't know what "lnn" stands for, but you might consider asking User:Mzajac, who created the redirect way back in 2007, and is still active. Parsecboy (talk) 11:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'll give that a try. In the meantime, there are a couple of things that are a little confusing to me. First, you had commented that my change of the redirect affected 200 pages, yet the link you provided only lists two. Second, I was under the impression that you took issue with that edit, but in your comment here (at the bottom), you seem supportive of it. Am I mis-reading something(s)? ... - thewolfchild 18:30, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

The redirects have all been fixed (see for instance here). That's what I was objecting to—you were making more work for others to clean up and did not seem to understand the need to fix the problem your edit created. As for my comment on the Posen FAC, I was neither supporting nor objecting to the re-targeting, simply explaining why the need to fix the lnn link hadn't been identified until Ian saw it. Parsecboy (talk) 18:47, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Well, sorry if my edit "created work", but it looks like work that needed to be done anyway, as you "explained to Ian". Mind you, I didn't create that re-direct in the first place. I just tried fixing it. As did Ketiltrout before me. For some reason, Br'er Rabbit went and undid that, but I can't ask him because it appears he has been banned for like... ever. So, like you said, hopefully Mzajac can shed some light on this. - thewolfchild 20:41, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

No, it wasn't work that needed to be done. Everything was hunky dory until you changed redirect. And "fixed" is a subjective way to describe it; presumably there is a reason Mzajac created it in the first place. Parsecboy (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

"Presumably" ? - thewolfchild 18:46, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, presumably, because I cannot read Mzajac's mind. I can only assume that s/he had a good reason to create the redirect. Parsecboy (talk) 22:18, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's where you and I will have to agree to disagree, as I'd rather not "assume" anything. - thewolfchild 00:06, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

It would be better for you to WP:AGF. Parsecboy (talk) 00:14, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not even gonna touch that one. Best we end this. Bye. - thewolfchild 06:42, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Leipzig-class cruiser

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Your List of battlecruisers is now a featured list in de:Wiki too

Hello Parsecboy,

as you maybe know I translated your featured List of battlecruisers into German language a while ago and have nominated it for becoming a featured list on its own two weeks ago. Today it was finally awarded with 8 Pro and 0 Contra. The article saw a few changes in its structure and streamlining in the tables which are now sortable but in its essential core and which got it the most praises, the introduction and the high number of references it is still your article. So, in my opinion it is for a great part your Award. Thank you for the great article and the answers to the questions I had during the translation. Best regards --Bomzibar (talk) 20:16, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Like Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:01, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks, Bomzibar. I hadn't been following its progress on de.wiki, but I'm glad to know how it ended up! Parsecboy (talk) 00:13, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Request for administrator input

I know it's not a military topic, but I've seen your work on military article and knew you were an administrator, and so hoped you might be able to weigh in. The article about Wajam, a browser add-on that shares user search information with friends and generates pop-up ads, is the source of some edit "scuffles." I've added a section with four or five sources that discusses why Wajam can be a security threat, and how it is often installed without a user even realizing that it's there. This is well-documented. Meanwhile, the page is policed by the company; IP users from Montreal (where Wajam was created) keep reverting edits that discuss the security concerns. Now there's a brand-new user whose only contribution so far has been to delete that controversy section. I asked another admin (Tom harrison) about it, but he's not on all that often. I don't want to run afoul of the 3-revert rule, but this sock-puppetry is a bit ridiculous, and smacks of NPOV violations. I'd appreciate some outside input. Thanks! Sacxpert (talk) 22:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

It seems rather obvious that these IPs are connected with the company. I left a couple of comments on the talk page and warned the IP who has been talking with you about his/her apparent conflict of interest. I seriously doubt that will achieve anything, but I can always start blocking the IPs. Parsecboy (talk) 12:36, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Possible GA Nomination

I was planning on nominating one of your Greek maritime articles, the Greek destroyer Lonchi. Needless to say, you may assist in the review if you wish to do so. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 13:19, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure, that's fine. I'll help out with it where I can. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 13:28, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dresden-class cruiser

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Marceau

I'm finally finished with Marceau. Check it over and make whatever changes are necessary. Double-check the bit in the main body about going into reserve against Feron as I think that some other editor attempted to clean it up and I can't find my copy of Feron. Nominate it whenever you're ready.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:21, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Whoops

I have no idea how this happened - it was entirely unintentional, and I'm sorry about it. I can't even use editing by phone/tablet as an excuse given that I'm on my PC. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 00:28, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

No worries, I figured it was accidental. Weird stuff happens sometimes, doesn't it? As a side note, I actually had to remove rollback from my mobile account because I kept accidentally rolling back valid edits. Parsecboy (talk) 00:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

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Oops! Improper German Battleship edits

Hello Parsecboy I would like to apologize for being too eager to condense refs - I was under the impression that horizontal format was preferred to vertical due to space considerations; as you quite obviously possess more knowledge about editing than my own (admittedly-meager!) knowledge affords, I must stand corrected. I was under the impression that the more accurate the information in a reference, the better, and was surprised to find that this is apparently not the case, that the OCLC # & the information provided there for the "others=" parameter is not desired, and also that one shouldn't use "authorlink=" for someone as prominent as Friedman - my reasoning in all these cases was based on my long-ago academic experience with term-paper bibliographies, which apparently doesn't apply here; I promise to gain a clearer understanding of the citation templates' guidelines rather than simply parsing them for the information I immediately needed as has been my wont. I also see where I bollixed the gun calibers on several of these articles while thinking I was correcting a minor mistake in grammar (an obvious "rush to judgement" after finding one such instance in an article - I believe on one of the pre-dreadnought classes - and the improvident result of not doing due-diligence in carefully proof-reading what I was changing in articles on succeeding classes, on the mistaken assumption that each efn had been c/p'd - as if I hadn't already learned what granpappy meant w/ that hoary ol' saw about "assume", dadgummit!) and so again I apologize for my mistake, and will strive not to make it again. I did learn something else pretty cool when I noticed how you only fully identify Annapolis for the first ref that includes it, and that once a publishing location's been so identified, it's ok to parse further usage of the same location to simply the city name; I'll remember that, too. All in all, I now believe that I've been following a too-strict interpretation of the citation templates and a too-encyclopedic approach to crafting refs, and am chagrined that I've caused you a good deal of unneccessary work in straightening out my follies - I'll certainly strive to do better in the future! Hope you and yours have a grand day, and thanks again for showing a novice the better path! Tech77 (talk) 01:48, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not a problem at all - things here are just about impossible to break permanently (even deleting an entire page can be undone fairly easily). The actual formatting of the reference code, whether vertical or horizontal doesn't matter, since it displays to the reader all the same. It's just easier to read expanded than all jammed together (or at least I think so). The general rule of thumb is to leave an article's reference style in whatever format the author chose to use, unless there's a good reason to change it. I didn't see you add the authorlink to Friedman (which is part of the reason I prefer to keep them expanded, since it's easier to see what fields are being used and so forth) - I'll put those back in, since we do usually link to authors. As for the "others=" parameter, you don't typically need to include people like illustrators in the citation (or at least we don't in the field of history), and for Groener specifically, Jung and Maass are editors, so you can use the "editor1-last=" field and so forth. Again, no worries, it takes a while to learn all the ins and outs around here :) And you have a great day as well! Parsecboy (talk) 14:52, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Tirpitz

Hello
You just reverted the changes I was making to the Tirpitz article; I've opened a section on the talk page there, as I think it would improve the lay-out. Currently there is a single large section on Tirpitz's activities over an 18 month period, followed by a series of sections on the British attempts to nobble her. It seems a bit unbalanced in the TOC. Anyway, your comments would be appreciated, Xyl 54 (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

RobDuch

You've done more US battleship articles than I have, but I just noticed that RobDuch (talk · contribs) has been going to town adding in all sorts of extra detail into the infoboxes that is best left to the main body. I've just contacted him about his changes to the Pennsy-class article, which is the first one that he's changed that I had watched and asked him to move all of his extra material into the main body. I dunno if we're gonna get any cooperation out of him, but I'd certainly prefer to avoid edit warring with him over bulking up the infoboxes so much.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:31, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm a fan of putting those types of details in prose form, as a simple table doesn't tell you why or how... the problem is how to explain that to others. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:40, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

The other problem is that for many ships, their characteristics changed several times over the course of their careers, which would require an even lengthier infobox. Parsecboy (talk) 17:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election

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August 2013 Milhist article contest

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HRS books

Hi, have the books arrived yet? Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 15:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, last week in fact. I've been a bit busy in real life so I haven't been on here much lately - just finishing up grading the first round of exams. Many thanks again for sending them. Parsecboy (talk) 18:15, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

So have you had a chance to look at them yet? Are they useful to you? MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I haven't had a ton of time to do much here lately - the semester is ramping up again. But from the skimming I've done, yes, they should be very useful to me. Thanks again! Parsecboy (talk) 16:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Precious again

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Thank you for quality articles and lists on battleships, especially Seiner Majestät Schiff Friedrich der Große, knowing "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace", - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (26 January 2010)!

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Many thanks, Gerda. How's this place treating you lately? I've been a bit busy the past few weeks. Parsecboy (talk) 13:39, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Dresden-class cruiser/GA1

Just a reminder that this was reviewed over two weeks ago, and is still awaiting a response. Hope you can post something there soon! BlueMoonset (talk) 16:37, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been a bit busy over the past couple of weeks, and had lost track of the review. Thanks for giving me a poke - I should have time to get to it tomorrow or Friday by the latest. Parsecboy (talk) 18:33, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dresden-class cruiser

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A note

During the past week a copy-editor looked at the Mahan-class destroyer article; aside from cleaning up the prose nothing unusual was mentioned. This followed a B-class assessment request, which was successful. Your suggestions worked out well. Thank you. In your opinion, what would be the preferable next step: a Peer Review or an A-class assessment request? Pendright (talk) 00:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad they were of some help. Usually, the route I take with articles is B-class review, then Good Article review, then A-class (since most people see A-class as being a step above GA). I've only done a peer review a couple of times - sometimes they can be pretty helpful, but then other times it can be hard to get many opinions. I suppose I'd suggest going to GA first, since there you'll work with only one reviewer, who can help iron out any MOS related issues if there are any - in general, a GA reviewer will be less specialized in the content and more in formatting and so forth. You'll get reviewers who are more familiar with the content at the A-class review, since it's run through the Military History project. Parsecboy (talk) 12:16, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

The distinction you make between the types of reviews is very informative. Much obliged! Pendright (talk) 00:57, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

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Titan's Cross nomination

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SMS Karlsruhe (1916)

Why remove the tag "for other uses", as long as there are two other German cruisers with the same name? Carsten R D

The purpose of hatnotes is to disambiguate titles for readers, not to serve as a "see also" message. Hatnotes are really only necessary in situations where the article has an ambiguous title - Karlsruhe, for instance, needs a hatnote, because there are many other things called "Karlsruhe", and a reader might type in "Karlsruhe" and be looking for any one of them. Readers are only going to get to SMS Karlsruhe (1916) by either typing in the exact title (in which case they got what they were looking for), or by internal links from another article (ditto).

On the other hand, a hatnote is necessary for the SMS Karlsruhe article, since there is another article that one could reasonably search for by typing "SMS Karlsruhe" into the search bar. Does that make sense? Parsecboy (talk) 17:09, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you have any better suggestions as to separate the three German cruisers bearing the name Karlsruhe, from 1912, 1916 and 1927; SMS Karlsruhe (1912), SMS Karlsruhe (1916) and German cruiser Karlsruhe? Carsten R D

Well, they are separated, given that they have sufficiently unambiguous names (and hatnotes where necessary). Again, if you want to make readers aware that there were other cruisers named Karlsruhe, that belongs in a "See also" section. Parsecboy (talk) 19:27, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Vizeadmiral Bernhard Rösing

Hi, do you happen to have any info on Vizeadmiral Bernhard Rösing? He was the commander of SMS Kronprintz from November 1916 to August 1918. He also was the father of the U-Boat commander and later Konteradmiral Hans-Rudolf Rösing. MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:07, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately no, I haven't come across his name in any of the sources I have at my disposal, sorry. Parsecboy (talk) 20:18, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for checking. I created a stub Bernhard Rösing. If you come accross some more info please add. Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:02, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'll keep my eyes out for anything to include. Parsecboy (talk) 19:09, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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Help!

I’ve nominated Mahan-class destroyer for a Good article review. I now find I’ll be away from my computer for the next two weeks. Is there any way to postpone the review, should there be one, or is there a way to remove the article from nominations? Thanks! Pendright (talk) 03:50, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I think you can just remove the template from the talk page and the bot should automatically remove it from the list of nominations. If you want to be sure, you could remove it manually there too. Parsecboy (talk) 12:49, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Pendright (talk) 14:36, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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SMS Condor and HRS

Will do. I owe another editor some input first though. Please be patient. Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 17:52, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Ob, no problem, I'm in no hurry. Take all the time you need - I wouldn't even have HRS to hassle you about my translation work if it wasn't for you ;) Parsecboy (talk) 19:18, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Imperial Navy gun nomenclature

In case you were wondering: I changed the notes saying that 'SK' in Imperial German Navy gun nomenclature stands for Schnellfeuerkanone to Schnelladekanone as that is the correct term. Here two snippets as references.

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• [2]

Regards, ÄDA - DÄP VA (talk) 09:13, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't know that that's correct. Axel Grießmer's book on the dreadnought battleships (it's cited in the Bayern-class battleship article as I recall) says it's schnellfeuer not schnellade, and did you see that in your second example it also has schnellfeuerkanonen on the snippet? I think this warrants more investigation before we decide one way or the other. Unfortunately, I'm traveling and won't have access to my library until Saturday at the earliest. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 11:04, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if Grießmer is an authority in this case. But if you check Reichs-Marine-Amt and Schnellade-Kanone (with the dash), you will get numerous manuals on these guns. Bon voyage, ÄDA - DÄP VA (talk) 14:02, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, this book from 1898 calls them Schnellade-Kanone, and given that it's a contemporary publication, that seems fairly convincing. Parsecboy (talk) 14:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't agree. In Erich Gröner, Die deutschen Kriegsschiffe 1815-1945, J.F. lehmanns, 1966, p. 17: SK=Schnellfeuerkanonen. In Alex Grießmer , Die Große Kreuzer der Kaiserlichen Marine 1906-1918, Bernard & Graefe Verlag, 1996, p. 199: SK=Schnellfeuerkanonen.--Demostene119 (talk) 22:49, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Nope, see manuals listed here. Schnellfeuerkanone is more a type description, Schnelladekanone was the official naming. --Denniss (talk) 23:19, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

See WP:PRIMARY:Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. Those manuals are primary sources.--Demostene119 (talk) 23:51, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

And if the primary sources, in a case where they would be expected to be using the official terminology, indicate that the secondary sources are using an erronious or colloquial terminology, we can, and should, refer to the primary source. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:33, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

de:Erich Gröner use erronious or colloquial terminology, to say that you need the manual of the specific (30.5 cm SK L/50 gun for Derfflinger) type of cannon, not snippet and websites about others guns.--Demostene119 (talk) 05:21, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Hildebrand's, Röhr's, & Steinmetz's Die Deutschen Kriegschiffe also defines SK as Schnellfeuerkanone. Parsecboy (talk) 11:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

While Friedman's Naval Weapons of World War I defines it as Schnelladekanone. Parsecboy (talk) 11:42, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I can change where appropriate if you would mind tell me a page number because I don't have Friedman's book. Also quick-firing should be replaced with quick-loading. Demostene119 (talk) 16:24, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

It's page 130 in Friedman. Parsecboy (talk) 15:32, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion

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The following articles of interest to you have been listed for deletion:

• James Victor Gascoyne
• Arthur William Hammond
• James McKinley Hargreaves
• William Drummond Matheson
• [[John Russell (aviator)]

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		By the order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject, Parsecboy, Cam, TheEd17, Dank, and Saberwyn are hereby awarded this Chevron with Oak Leaves award for the roles that each played in assisting with the creation of the 63-article Featured Topic Battlecruisers of the World. Since each of you have an equal claim to an award for the years long effort that they put into the total project by working on their corner of it and each of you has made contributions of truly incredible quality or importance in the area of military history, culminating in the completing the single largest FT to date on Wikipedia and passing a milestone by bringing an entire classification of ships - battlecruisers in this case - up to GA-Class, A-Class, or FA-Class. As Majestic Titan editors, you are collectively being recognized for this outstanding accomplishment with this shared WikiChevron with Oak Leaves Award, the first of its kind to be award to a group of editors. Congratulations to each of you for your outstanding achievements, and keep up the good work! For the coordinators, TomStar81 (Talk) 07:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)