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Adoption Courses

Hey there worm, I was hoping to borrow adam's course and he said it came from you so I needed to ask you. If its not too much trouble, could you let me have them and/or help me set up a page for them? thanks. Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 17:50, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm on my phone so can't help out at the moment, but you are more than welcome to use the course, I'd be honoured if you do. Worm^TT(talk) 07:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much Worm! I'm rusty with wikimarkup and code, so I gotta read up on that before I set up my pages :3 either way, thanks again! Do you want me to credit you at all? I feel like I should, but its up to you. Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 18:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I really don't mind - I didn't make the course by myself, I hardly deserve all the credit! Worm^TT(talk) 08:10, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Rollback

Hi Dave,

I have recently been doing a lot of anti-vandalism work, particularly recent change patrol and with STiki. I would really like to be able to use Huggle to help me with this. I am therefore asking if you will allow me to request the rollback permission.

Thanks, Thine Antique Pen (talk) 18:17, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Will get back to you on that, I'd like to do a little research first. Worm^TT(talk) 20:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. :) Thine Antique Pen (talk) 15:44, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay. After investigating, I have no issue you with requesting this right, if you believe Huggle is worth it. I don't see the attraction myself. Worm^TT(talk) 18:02, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Executive Director's Barnstar

Hi Worm That Turned! I am hereby awarding you the Executive Director's Barnstar, to celebrate your many contributions to the English Wikipedia! You were recommended for the award by Maryana Pinchuk, who nominated you for being a "marvelous mentor" on the English Wikipedia. Maryana says that you've been an active adopter of new users in the Adopt-a-user program, you've been helpful at the Teahouse, and that you also work to sort through problems with people who've landed at AN/I or have otherwise gotten into conflicts in the community. She describes you as patient and kind and says you've spent countless hours composing lesson plans for Wikipedians-in-training (complete with barnstars for completing sections), including rewriting a lot of our garbled policy pages from scratch so that they're actually useable (for example, this page on copyright. I think Maryana first met you in person at a London meetup: she says you're just as lovely in person as you are on the wikis :-) The Executive Director's Barnstar is an award that I give out every now and then, created for me by my colleague Frank Schulenberg to celebrate and honour editors who are making a particularly significant contribution to the projects. In addition to the work that Maryana describes above, since joining the projects in 2007, you've made more than 13,661 edits on 11 projects, according to the user contributions page on the toolserver. Thank you so much for your contributions! If you, or anyone reading this, wants to nominate an editor for the ED Barnstar, please feel free to do it on my talk page. And thanks to Maryana at the Wikimedia Foundation, for making this nomination. Sue Gardner (talk) 20:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on this one Worm! Ryan Vesey 20:55, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I also think this is incredibly well deserved :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

If anyone deserves a barnstar from up high; it's WTT. Well done! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 00:22, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow. I'm stunned, and much as I'd like to contradict the comments of my staplers... all I should really say is Thank you. Worm^TT(talk) 07:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Well deserved!--RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 08:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Same, couldn't have been awarded to anyone better ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 08:13, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Just piling in here with the congratulations - it's good to see such a wise and helpful Wikipedian getting recognition for this work! PamD 11:44, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

• Congratulations Worm! :) Thine Antique Pen (talk) 15:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Yay, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy! Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 15:48, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm a little late to the party, but I agree that WTT is definitely deserving. If the community created an RfC to determine the best overall Wikipedian around, WTT would probably get my vote. AutomaticStrikeout 04:27, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Cool! Congrats Worm. Oh, also good work polishing AAU and well done putting forth Σ at RfA. Swarm ^X 04:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Again, thank you so much, coming back from a minor break and finding this still on my talk page, especially with all the other kind comments is very heartening. I really do appreciate it. Worm^TT(talk) 08:15, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Editor Review and RfA

AutomaticStrikeout created the idea of an editor review with the specific goal of an RfA in mind. While I think it is a decent proposal, similar to things I've thought of myself, I could swear that there have been oppose !votes specifically because the RfA was too soon after an editor review. I can't really find any, and before I comment at the discussion I'd like to know what your experience with that is. Do you think it happens often enough (or has it ever happened?) and do you think this idea might have a negative effect on someone's actual performance. Granted, a lot of people will oppose for a lot of different reasons and candidates shouldn't be out there trying to please everybody, but I just thought I'd try to get your opinion. Ryan Vesey 21:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker)Look at all the opposing votes for Σ due to the spelling of his name. Yet Berean Hunter passes unanimously 160-0 with a block on his log. I had a pre-Rfa on my talk page 3 days before my RFA, one person made a mild comment about it. What they did jump on was based on incorrect data, CSD. You just never know what will set people off on any given day. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 21:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't recall any votes because someone has done an RfA too soon after an editor review, but you never know. Pre-RFA might well be the future, I'm currently thinking about methods for it. Worm^TT(talk) 14:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

There's always User:Ryan Vesey/Pre-RFA Proposal. Looking at it a year or so later, I think that method is far too complex, I think the best solution will be simple. Ryan Vesey 14:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that's the way to go though. I think something more akin to resurrecting Wikipedia:Admin coaching, where editors don't have to go, but gives them some areas to work on and more feedback. It can be referenced from the RfA and should give the voters an insight into the candidate. The difficulty will be to not make it look like an form of guarantee of acceptance or turn it into a place where admin wannabes play. Worm^TT(talk) 15:18, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

A small job for you

Hope you're well, mate. I have a little job for you: a young editor has just asked me how to become an admin, so I am naturally going to fob that sort of work off to somebody who knows what he's talking about. He may drop you a note here, so please be kind, if realistic, to him. Catch up with you soon, --RexxS (talk) 22:54, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Worm is well (or at least, active on a bi-daily basis), but looks to be overwhelmed with that work-type-stuff that the rest of the world is trying to avoid. I've left an extra pointer on the new editor's talk page, but if any talk page staplers want to set him up with an adoption course, that would be even better. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Worm's essay on how to become an admin is here: User:Worm That Turned/Magic Formula --Neotarf (talk) 10:44, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• Indeed, attacked by terrible real-world junk. I'm back now though. Having said that, since I had far too many adoptees that I was neglecting, I thought it poor idea to take on more. I've archived my quiet adoptees, so hopefully I'm down to two - but even so, I think taking on more at present would be a poor idea. In any case, Yunshui has taken the chap on, and I've got his page watchlisted (as I assume have a few of my staplers), so I'm sure he'll come to no harm. Worm^TT(talk) 15:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I would like to become adopted by you!

Hi I am spacecasetheman (here's my link: Spacecasetheman (talk) 16:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC) ), I would love to become adopted. I am only 14, and I know that others wouldn't adopt me because I'm inexperienced. I would like to be trained to become an admin, a editor, and a great user! I also would like to join an anti-vandilism patrol I am brand new to wikipedia. Please help and please adopt.

P.S: RexxS sent me!

Spacecasetheman (talk) 16:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• Adopted by Yunshui. Worm^TT(talk) 14:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

3PO

• User_talk:OrenBochman#Restore_Rollback_Rights

I think the AN/I discussion should be the most help. Note also that while they say they have indicated being a dev, that term doesn't necessarily mean what we often presume it does. (Back in June, I had to look over their SUL contribs [1] to find out more info/to better understand.)

At this point, I'd appreciate it if you'd look this over. And I'm perfectly fine with deferring to your discernment on this. - jc37 16:53, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Would love to help out, but unfortunately real life is currently in the way. If it's still a problem when I get back, I will look into it. Worm^TT(talk) 08:45, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay, now posted there. Worm^TT(talk) 09:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Notable?

Do you think this would meet WP:GNG? It's a startup called PoverUp doing microfinancing, but the sources seem to be split between talking about the company and talking about the founder. So far I've got Forbes, an extension of that article in wharton magazine, Inc., fast company, Go girl finance.com (runs on wordpress so it looks like a blog, but I don't believe it is one), Knowledge@wharton, Philadelphia Business Journal, Raising CEO kids (I would have written this website off if it wasn't for the academic credentials of the site creator and the book he wrote), Time Business, another Fast Company (not related to business, but founder is featured). I'll note that Peter Cohan a Wharton Alum, caused a number of these so he was pushing the company out there. What do you think, would it survive AfD? Ryan Vesey 18:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't tell you for sure, it sounds pretty borderline. New startups always face this sort of problem, and generally aren't notable. However, there's only one way to find out ;) Worm^TT(talk) 15:13, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Admin score

We both share almost the same score :) TheSpecialUser ^TSU 22:55, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Mine's gone up, nyer nyer :P It's not much of a tool for assessing people really, but it's better than nothing. Worm^TT(talk) 11:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Park Article promoted for DYK

Hi Worm, just to let you know: Template:Did you know nominations/Turnbull Thomson Park --RexRowanTalk 11:56, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

The article is on DYK today, thank you very much for helping me editing it, I am very happy! :D --RexRowanTalk 06:36, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations, I'm sorry I couldn't have been more help, but you and Carole have done a fantastic job :) Worm^TT(talk) 07:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

You have helped me enough! Thank you very much! :D --RexRowanTalk 09:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Can I work for you in your web design company? I know how to make websites using a few free websites :D --RexRowanTalk 09:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I made a website to collect information from the mass, you think this is a good idea? [2] --RexRowanTalk 09:58, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Ha! Hardly a company, I made a few websites while I was out of work to tide me over :) I took down the "company page" recently, because I didn't think it was likely that I'd make more. I've got a few friends asking me to make things for charitable schemes, I might be helping them out in the future.

As for your website, it's a great idea - but fairly impractical and duplicates methods we already have. The concept isn't scalable, I'm sure you could cope with 2-3 comments per day, but what about 2-300? or 2-3000? The word "freelance" implies you'd be paid, but I don't see how any income could be generated. Much better would be to work with the foundation to make their systems better. Worm^TT(talk) 11:28, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know, I thought it means volunteer. I will take it down. I am having fun with my online Python lessons. I thought it would be cool if we have a drop in box so we can receive information from people who don't want to edit. :D --RexRowanTalk 12:07, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

We sort of do, Special:ArticleFeedbackv5 and WP:OTRS Worm^TT(talk) 12:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah, forgot about the feedback system. :D --RexRowanTalk 12:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Your userpage

You could save some space by removing the recall procedure from it. It's not likely to be used anyways.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 11:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Maybe, but I firmly believe in recall and I like that to be prominently displayed. Indeed, if I killed off my userpage, I'd keep that showing. As for "not likely to be used"... well, that's kind of you to say, but I'd rather leave the community to decide that. Worm^TT(talk) 11:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Alright. Hehe.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 12:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Worm's Recall

Sign here if you do not want to see Worm be desysopped anytime soon.

1. —cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 12:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
2. -Unless he deserves it =P ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:20, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
3. No time limits on the Worm term. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
4. I think I'll put my name in the right section this time.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 20:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
5. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 21:19, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
6. Keep The funny thing is, the admins who are open to recall are those who would never be recalled. The problematic part is that a portion of those who aren't open to recall should never be be recalled but might be by virtue of the areas they take part in. Ryan Vesey 21:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
7. Keep Based on typical definition of "any time soon" :-p dangerouspanda 09:37, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Copyright question

What's your opinion on these being under CC-BY-SA? Also can i use screenshots from films and games as free or is that fair use? Thanks, and this question is to anyone knowledgeable on copyrights ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:03, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

There's no way it's CC-BY-SA. Screenshots from films or games would need to be used with a fair use rationale. Ryan Vesey 19:25, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up Ryan ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Nothing to add, cheers Ryan :D Worm^TT(talk) 15:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Table Question

I would like to modify this:

Glava Series
Name(s) / variants	Notes	Film appearances	Game appearances
Glava-Begunats		None	Resident Evil 6
Glava-Dim
Glava-Sluz
Glava-Smech

...but am unsure how. I'd like the top "Series Bar" on the left side instead but how do i do that? This question is to anyone. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Glava Series
	Name(s) / variants	Notes	Film appearances	Game appearances
	Glava-Begunats		None	Resident Evil 6
	Glava-Dim
	Glava-Sluz
	Glava-Smech

You mean like that? (changing the colspan to a rowspan and covering the total number of rows) I prefer it on top :) Worm^TT(talk) 09:10, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm undecided, i wanted to see which looks better. Can you get the writing going down in two lines? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, just stick a break in. Worm^TT(talk) 09:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Not quite, i meant with the lettering going down, not left to right. Is that something you can do? With "Glava" going down on the left and then "Series" downwards to the right of it? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't recommend downward writing - it just doesn't add to accessibility. I'm pretty sure the MOS agrees, but I'd have to look it up. Worm^TT(talk) 10:01, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

My other idea was this:

Glava Name(s) / variants	Notes	Film appearances	Game appearances
Glava-Begunats		None	Resident Evil 6
Glava-Dim
Glava-Sluz
Glava-Smech

...But i'm not sure i like it...The sideways writing would only be the series name, which is already incluided multiple times in the actual table anyway. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Like this:

Name(s) / variants		Notes	Film appearances	Game appearances
G l a v a	Glava-Begunats		None	Resident Evil 6
	Glava-Dim
	Glava-Sluz
	Glava-Smech

...Only with "Glava" sideways - still readable and i can get rid of the sections the article currently has for each letter. Sorry for hogging your talk page ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:14, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Can't find anything on it in the MOS, only this and this at the helpdesks. Perhaps I'm wrong. However, with the multiple breaks, I'm pretty sure that will upset a screen reader. I'd have to poke someone who knows more about them. The other option is to create a vertical image, which might work better from an accessibility method, but I don't like that either. Worm^TT(talk) 10:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd rather not use an image of the lettering due to load times and the problem of image sizing (Especially on mass produced infected with 8+ types). I'll look around and hopefully find something. If you do then lemme know. Thanks for your time Dave ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:49, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Seeking closure

I hate it when ANI closes just when it gets interesting! ;)

Thanks for the thoughtful comments. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that ANI is full of "heat of the moment" comments, and whilst that's fantastic for debate - it's not great for Wikipedia. I think there's been a concerted effort to close ANI's before they get messy. I just wish I'd had my lunch half an hour later, so I'd have noticed this early! Worm^TT(talk) 12:40, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Removing the Training Wheels

I got in the signpost! :-) --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 21:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

So did another article about adminship reform . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:04, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar...

		Civility Award
		The fact that you managed to respond with civility to that sort of language from that sort of person is a credit to you. Few would have responded the same way. You have my thanks and my respect. Stalwart111 (talk) 00:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for taking the time to participate in my RfA. I hope that I will be able to improve based on the feedback I received and become a better editor. AutomaticStrikeout 03:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration thingy

This concerns you as well, it would seem. Funny I didn't even notice you'd banned the guy at the time... -— Isarra ༆ 04:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)