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April 3

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 3, 2016.

She-goats

The target doesn't discuss female goats separately from males, while this redirect implies content specific to females. Also, females are more properly called nannies or does. Unless there is a female-specific target, deletion is probably the best option.

Also nominated: She goat and She goats. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 23:35, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep the target discusses goats, and has specific coverage of female goats, since male goats do not produce milk, nor get pregnant, etc. And these are terms used for female goats, so viable search terms, whatever the "official" names are, these are also used -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 03:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Imelda (criminal)

This is a batch of newly created redirects to Imelda Marcos. They have no incoming links. This is apparently an attempt to predict that people will type in random non-existent (disambiguators), after multiple unanimously-opposed attempts to move Imelda Marcos over the disambiguation page Imelda. Alsee (talk) 21:35, 3 April 2016 (UTC) Alsee (talk) 21:35, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (criminal) and (politician), as these are how Marcos is commonly seen and hence are potentially useful for auto-complete ("Imelda politician" works nicely), they also inform at least Google's search engine. Delete the others. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Grammar Nazis

Unneeded pejorative connection of grammar prescriptivists to Nazis. Dicklyon (talk) 19:11, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: That it's a pejorative and obnoxious term is true. That it's a very well known one and a highly probable search term is another. I'm all for it redirecting people to a fair and balanced article on the subject. Ravenswing 19:37, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Wikipedia is not censored, and "unneeded" just means censor it. Gavriel D. Rosenfeld writes: "Common examples include: “feminazi,” “grammar Nazi,” “gym Nazi,” “stroller Nazi,” “breastfeeding Nazi,” and so forth. Many of these terms preceded the creation of the Internet, having first appeared on television and radio." --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:34, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But it's sole purpose on Wikipedia so far was for you to accuse me of being a grammar Nazi, here. Dicklyon (talk) 03:39, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep extremely plausible search term. Linguistic prescription looks to be an extremely good target article. Alsee (talk) 21:40, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete implausible, inappropriately plural, offensive, and only added as a personal attack (on me, here). Dicklyon (talk) 03:39, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:INTERNET

Misleading redirect. The internet and world wide web are not the same thing, as described in our own articles about those subjects. I am aware that those terms are often erroneously used interchangeably due to confusion, but redirects like this only serve to promote such confusion. Adam9007 (talk) 18:45, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - It confused the heck out of me. Even after seeing the redirect target here, I still reflexively clicked Wikipedia:INTERNET to see where the heck it redirected to. Somehow my brain just didn't want to parse that it pointed to WP:Notability xyz. Alsee (talk) 21:52, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's a short-cut to Wikipedia:Notability (web) that has quite a number of uses, for example Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/El Marino (online newspaper). Sure the web is not the Internet, see this week's Signpost, but the vast majority of stuff "on the Internet" is either web-based or can be accessed using a web front-end.
It's not our job to police the back room use of terms, though we might strive for such accuracy in content pages.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:13, 4 April 2016 (UTC).[reply]
This is an encyclopaedia, the purpose of which is to present facts, not misinformation, however it's presented. This redirect implies the internet and the web are the same thing, which they are not, as you have said yourself. Adam9007 (talk) 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Brophy

Subject was a NN amateur youth hockey player deleted at AfD nearly a decade ago for failing WP:NHOCKEY and the GNG. Recreated as a redirect to a long-defunct amateur hockey team by the infamous Dolovis, who was responsible for the creation of thousands of NN stubs and spurious redirects, and was banned by the community from new article creation and the revdel process. Improbable search term, and beyond that an inaccurate one: what makes this a more valid redirect target than the Gatineau Olympiques or St. Mary's University, for which Brophy not only also played, but played in more games than for the Fog Devils? Ravenswing 13:13, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Brophy was inaugural captain, according to the article. And the creator has no bearing on the decision here. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:20, 4 April 2016 (UTC).[reply]
  • Delete, multiple plausible targets, no perfect match. According to his Hockey DB profile, he played twice as many games for the the Gatinaeu Olympiues and four times as long for St. Mary's University. It's silly to say that someone looking for Mr. Brophy would find what they're looking for at the Fog Devils when that's only a fraction of his career. -- Tavix (talk) 02:57, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wes Welcher

Subject was a NN amateur youth hockey player deleted at AfD nearly a decade ago for failing WP:NHOCKEY and the GNG. Recreated as a redirect to a long-defunct amateur hockey team by the infamous Dolovis, who was responsible for the creation of thousands of NN stubs and spurious redirects, and was banned by the community from new article creation and the revdel process. Improbable search term, and beyond that an inaccurate one: what makes this a more valid redirect target than the Moncton Wildcats or St. Thomas University, for which Welcher also played? Ravenswing 13:01, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Welcher is mentioned in the article, as a record holder. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC).[reply]
  • Retarget to Wes Welker. Delete, multiple plausible targets, no perfect match. According to his Hockey DB profile, he also spent time with the Moncton Wildcats and St. Thomas University. It's silly to say that someone looking for Wes Welcher would find what they're looking for at the Fog Devils when that's only part of his career. -- Tavix (talk) 03:01, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Files for deletion

WP:XNR to non reader content. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:55, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - The 'files' being talked about here... it's just all too vague. There are all kinds of contexts where you need to delete some files to get something else to get working. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 11:05, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete files for deletion. (I couldn't resist the wordplay, grin.) It's a particularly troublesome cross-namespace redirect. Alsee (talk) 22:10, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:XNR to pipework content, that is not encyclopedic content for the readership. Further, this isn't about the topic of files for deletion, this is a specific workflow for Wikipedia, and does not cover file deletion candidacy and various political and legal problems with that. -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 03:39, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion revision

WP:XNR to non-reader content. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:52, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Strange reversal of wording, and cross namespace redirects are troublesome. Alsee (talk) 22:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete std XNR. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:22, 4 April 2016 (UTC).[reply]
  • Delete WP:XNR to pipework that is non-encyclopedic content not for the readership. This is not about the generic topic of deletion revision, revisionism, hiding facts by revisionist history, etc. -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 03:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Andhra Pradesh AC SF Express

The target of this redirect is about a different subject than the redirect. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:50, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Visakhapatnam – New Delhi AP Express was moved to Andhra Pradesh AC SF Express which was an irrational move as these two trains are altogether different. I just reverted the move, so Andhra Pradesh AC SF Express ends up being redirected to Visakhapatnam – New Delhi AP Express. — LeoFrank  Talk 05:02, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Barnsley F.C. Current Season

Deletion preferable as this obscure redirect would have to be updated every year (and only seconds ago it was updated for the first time in eight years). There is no need for any "Current X" then redirecting to the incumbent, whether it is "Current President of the United States", "Current CEO of Hewlett Packard", "Current French number one single", any '''tAD''' (talk) 03:28, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Not sure if WP:RELTIME applies, but no need for the maintenance burden which nobody actually carries. This is not useful as a link in articles, and anyone searching for the club's results can simply search for Barnsley F.C. It patently is not an editor's shortcut. (We do have Current President of the United States.) Si Trew (talk) 03:47, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete to avoid unnecessary maintenance. Linking to the current season is standard practice within football club infoboxes, in any case. C679 12:34, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Just not a useful redirect term, since anyone typing the phrase out will have already typed "Barnsley F.C." Ravenswing 19:38, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete it with fire. I do not want thousands of redirects of this type lurking around, needing to be updated every year. Kill it now, kill them all. Alsee (talk) 22:15, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - maintenance isn't a problem, that could be trivially automated. The problem is that "Current season" is undefined during the "off-season" (in the UK, between early May and mid-August). All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:29, 4 April 2016 (UTC).[reply]

STD Wizard

Delete this was previously sent to RFD (closed as no-consensus, because discussion at talk was ongoing), with a rationale of Non-notable software should not redirect to a general article somewhat related to the software. This never should have been a redirect; this should have been csd'd. I endorse the rationale (basically, non-notable software was redirected to the STI/D article), and what's more, the article doesn't mention the software. Not particularly useful, and we're better off deleting this page than making it look as if we have an article that discusses this software somewhere. Nyttend (talk) 02:40, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 03:39, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom as WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. Si Trew (talk) 03:48, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - We have a non-notable, gimmick-based service that's not mentioned in the present article, nor do I think it will ever be. I'm in agreement. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 11:06, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per every reason given above. Alsee (talk) 22:17, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mid Wessex

Is this redirect accurate? Or completely made-up and wrong? Two others nominated for the same reason:

I'd missed that Nether Wessex was not in the table. Delete that one per WP:RFD#D2 confusing. 10:28, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
It's not a question of someone searching for Somerset or Wiltshire, but one of her searching for Mid Wessex, etc. Si Trew (talk) 10:31, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: A quick Google search shows that Nether Wessex is a synonym for Outer Wessex. I added an (unsourced) note of that in the article. That solves the WP:RFD#D2 issue. Nether Wessex should also be retargeted. Alsee (talk) 22:28, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget all without prejudice to reversing if the term is later covered in the "real world" articles. It's an interesting case where one synonym is targeted away from another. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:33, 4 April 2016 (UTC).[reply]
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