Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index

Bot is weirded out again

Seems like its only doing projects beginning with A&B but only a few at that. In my case the Ships project has not updated since the 16th. Brad (talk) 20:08, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

The assessment tables are updating but not the logs. Brad (talk) 20:10, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

And a manual run also just produces the tables but not the logs. ww2censor (talk) 22:13, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

I've requested help - we'll see if things can be fixed. Walkerma (talk) 01:52, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Your manual run may have worked. My understanding of the bot is that it will update the tables right away but logs are posted hours later and only once a day. Ships project logs were updated with all of the missing days included. Wait and see what happens in the next day or two. Brad (talk) 01:02, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

The logs arenot showing daily. It ran for a few consecutive days & then stopped again. Also, I just ran the Bot for WP Catholicism and the Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Assessment page has incorrect numbers for the "???" column. for Stubs it displays 1 but when I click on it, 3 articles show. I did purge the page before viewing. — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:31, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Greetings Brad101  — Walkerma : Wondering what can be done so Assessment logs are created daily? Has something been changed lately causing this issue? Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 20:22, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any changes, but I still haven't had any response. I'll keep trying. Walkerma (talk) 03:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Today is Sept. 3 & last logs are on Aug. 31st. When looking at "User contributions" for the Bot, it is still running daily but not making logs. Each day the bot stops processing at User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki). Wondering if something is broken at this WP? Or maybe the next WP in line to be processed? — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:40, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Logs are now apparently running! Let's keep an eye on things, though. Walkerma (talk) 03:57, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@Walkerma: From "View history" the logs were not created on these dates

• July 14
• August 1, 4, 10, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29
• September 1, 2

Questions

1. What is making the Bot stop creating logs?
2. What makes the bot decide to begin making the logs again?
3. How does the Bot "know" which days are missing?
4. Should this issue be taken to Village Pump-Technical?

Lastly, should this Bot be divided in half or two Bots? Pass # 1 = Update all assessment tables, then Pass # 2 = create logs.

Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 14:06, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

The problem is that we don't have anyone on en:WP who is able to maintain the bot, so we have to ask User:Kelson who is more active on fr:WP. He is familiar with the code, but his main focus is on new releases of Kiwix, and his time is very valuable so I don't like to bug him unless it's serious. So it's very hard to get any major changes to the code, though Kelson does what is needed to keep the bot running. It would be great if we could get someone local to this project with the know-how and the time to maintain the bot and to make occasional improvements to the code; however, our last couple of recruitment attempts failed. The problems that occurred at fairly regular intervals before related to (I think) a memory usage part that would max out and have to be expanded. Kelson rewrote the code in March or so, and migrated it to a new server, to try and eliminate that ongoing problem permanently - but apparently the bugs persist. Do you know anyone who could help? Walkerma (talk) 04:16, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

@Walkerma: At Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log Revision history when I click on "contribs" for WP 1.0 bot, it shows what appears it is looping & then stalls out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/WP_1.0_bot.

At 21:13, 4 September 2018, it completes "Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bible articles by quality log", and then waits until 23:54, 4 September 2018.

It begins "User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)", works on more assessment tables & never continues with creating logs.

It looks like looping between Tables/Project/Biography (military) and Tables/Project/Biography and Tables/Project/Military history.

While doing assessments for Category:Unassessed biography articles did notice some kind of inter-connection with these 3 WP. Just a theory but could there be some kind of "tangled web"? Causing the bot to repeat & eventually timeout? I certainly do not understand how any of this WP internal-plumbing works, & do not really need to know.

Perhaps at Village Pump-Technical there may be someone who can dig into & fix. If the Bot is not broken, maybe changes are needed at 1 or more of above WP. — JoeHebda • (talk) 16:18, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm quite busy IRL for the next 2-3 days, but as time allows I'll try to reach Kelson again. In the meantime, if you can find someone on en:WP to help, that would be great! Your idea of a "tangled web" is interesting - perhaps it is getting into some type of logic loop that makes it get stuck. 11:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

@Walkerma: For Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log September 6 the log is missing. Sept.7 is there so somehow 6th was skipped. If I remember correctly, that was the day I did a few article cleanups from the assessment table, then manually ran the Bot for WP Catholicism. This might be another issue--why no log when manual run of the Bot? — JoeHebda • (talk) 12:53, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Interesting comments about Bot problems at Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Popular pages. Might be a different bot, but a clue about how to fix? — JoeHebda • (talk) 14:14, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

@Walkerma: For Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log September 9, the log is missing. — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:14, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@Walkerma: For Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log September 10, the log is missing. I will manually run the Bot for WP Cath. & see if that will trigger logs? — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:02, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping track! Kelson is aware of the problem, but he has a big software launch going on and may be too busy right now. However, he has asked us to gather requirements for a new bot and visualization tool, since he says: "The current solution is not adapted anymore to the needs and can not be further developed properly". So I will start a new thread soon, when I get a break from work. Walkerma (talk) 15:45, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

@Walkerma: Oneof my concerns is reliance on 1 person for Bot maintenance. While I am not familiar with Kelson, I wonder how a team can be assembled to create a new bot?

I myself know nothing of how to code a bot. Since I joined wikipedia in 2014, Nettrom has done a great job fixing and improving Suggestbot. User:Nettrom maintains User:SuggestBot which scans all of Wikipedia. On Wikipedia:Community portal is {{open task}} which is updated from Suggestbot. — JoeHebda • (talk) 20:12, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I agree - but really we've had no choice. On two occasions we've put the word out for bot help and got no response, despite the fact that this bot is one of the most heavily used on en:WP. For about three years we had a couple of people doing maintenance but they didn't really have the tech skill to amend the code very much. (They still knew more than me!) I think bot maintenance isn't too much work once it's stable, but a rewrite is a major undertaking. The only reason maintenance became such an issue is because it's almost 10 years since this bot had a major rewrite, and much of the infrastructure has changed since then. Kelson does in fact lead a whole team of developers (in fact I had Kelson + four of his developers stay at my house last year!), but their main focus is obviously on Kiwix, which is now officially maintained and supported by WMF. I would say, though, that if Nettrom (and/or others) is/are willing to work on this in the next few months then we should definitely encourage him! Walkerma (talk) 02:35, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Update: See this discussion on my talk page, where it seems we may have someone new who is willing (and able!) to help with the bot. That would be excellent news! Walkerma (talk) 03:51, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Bot looping

Greetings, when looking at "User contributions" for WP 1.0 bot it seems to be looping after it completes Bibliographies, and does not make any logs for Bio WPs. And stops making logs for all following WP.

06:37, 12 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-401)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)

05:30, 12 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+402)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

05:08, 12 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)

04:50, 12 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-402)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

04:16, 12 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

04:03, 12 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+402)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

02:39, 12 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-402)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

23:07, 11 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+402)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

22:54, 11 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-402)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

22:47, 11 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

22:35, 11 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+402)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

21:55, 11 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-402)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

21:37, 11 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+545)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

21:30, 11 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-754)‎ . . Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bibliographies articles by quality log ‎ (Log for September 12, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)

There must be some inter-connection between these WP causing the bot to repeat. Or with over 5-million articles, the workload is overwhelming the bot? Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 12:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Possible alternatives

@Walkerma: Following below, random thoughts and ideas.

When I look at "Popular pages", for example Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Popular pages it is a different Bot that runs at start of each new month, and takes 15 to 20 days to get to WP Catholicism. Brings to mind questions

• Can only those WP Biography and History (and sub-projects) be ran as a completely seprate job?
• Can bot be changed to run weekly instead of daily?
• Does bot skip Inactive WikiProjects? (to lighten the load)
• Should bot be split into 2 different bots with specific jobs/tasks, for example

Job 1 = Create all the logs of WP updates,changes, deletes, etc.

Job 2 = Replace Assessment tables

Hope this helps. — JoeHebda • (talk) 12:18, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Cloud services

Today, found Cloud Services page and wondering if people there could help with creating a new Bot, or fixing existing? — JoeHebda • (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

That whole infrastructure looks invaluable, thank you so much for the link! I am going to look more into it as I start work on the next version of WP 1.0 Bot. audiodude (talk) 02:36, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Is tools.wmflabs down?

FYI - I copy/pasted below from WP:VPT so it is recorded here.

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T204844

Greetings, for several days now when attempting to run tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/update.fcgi and getting "504 Gateway Time-out" instead. Not sure who to contact so I thought to start here at VPT. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:25, 19 September 2018 (UTC) ping|JoeHebda is a platform for developers to host their programs. So no, not all the tools.wmflabs.org platform is down, only the enwp10 tool :)

ping|Hedonil|Kelson|Theopolisme, project maintainers of https://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10 tool. --Framawiki (please notify) (talk) 16:42, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

I reported at Phabricator, open task T204844 is "504 Gateway Time-out on enwp10 tool". — JoeHebda • (talk) 16:45, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Pings to maintainers: ping|Theopolisme, ping|Kelson, and ping|Hedonil. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:12, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Xaosflux Framawiki: you should note that neither Hedonil nor Theopolisme are inactive users here, only Kelson is helping out. ww2censor (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

@Wwcensor: thanks, I got that from the list here, looks like it has been updated. — xaosflux ^Talk 21:59, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

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I have restarted the Web service manually and it is back. Kelson (talk) 10:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Posted by — JoeHebda • (talk) 16:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Questions

Please excuse my ignorance, but is this enwp10 tool different than the bot that creates the assessment logs? If they are two different softwares, is enwp10 stopped/shutdown while WP 1.0 bot is running? So they are not conflicting?

Wondering Kelson (talk) if multiple people know how to restart "enwp10 tool"? In case it stops again.

Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 16:16, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

User:audiodude will soon be able to do that soon. Kelson (talk) 08:04, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

September assessment bot logs

Tracking for Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log.

Date	Log created	Comment
September 1	None	-
September 2	None	-
September 3	Sept. 1, Sept. 2, Sept.3	at 21:27
September 4	None	-
September 5	Sept. 4, Sept. 5	at 21:34
September 6	skip Sept. 6, log Sept. 7	at 21:07
September 7	None	-
September 8	Sept. 8	at 21:26
September 9	None	-
September 10	None	-
September 11	None	-
September 12	Sept. 9, 10, 11, 12	at 22:16
September 14	Sept. 14	at 21:58
September 15	Sept. 15	at 22:09
September 16	None	-
September 17	Sept. 16	at 22:05
September 18	None	-
September 19	Sept. 18, Sept. 19	at 21:56
September 20	None	-
September 21	Sept. 20, Sept. 21	at 21:43
September 22	None	-
September 23	Sept. 22, Sept. 23	at 21:46
September 24	None	-
September 25	Sept. 24, Sept. 25	at 21:52
September 26	Sept. 26	at 21:46
September 27	Sept. 27	at 21:43
September 28	Sept. 28	at 21:20
September 29	None	-
September 30	None	-

Questions: Wondering if the bot is actually running? Or is a live person manually forcing bot to run? — JoeHebda • (talk) 14:25, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject redirect

Today Kelson (talk) while reviewing the logs for User:WP 1.0 bot, I find that after regular bot processing there are many entries for Biography (military).

• 05:47, 22 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-545)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
• 05:14, 22 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
• 04:33, 22 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
• 04:31, 22 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+545)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
• 04:22, 22 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-545)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
• 03:51, 22 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+545)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
• 03:50, 22 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-545)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
• 03:48, 22 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)

• 00:24, 22 September 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+344)‎ . . Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Zoo articles by quality log ‎ (Log for September 21, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)

Investigating further, I find a redirect for Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography (military) that points to #REDIRECT [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Military]], a sub-directory of WP Biography. Wondering if this is causing the bot issues? — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:04, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

September 28, 2018 - enwp10 not running

Greetings @Kelson: and @Audiodude: The web service for enwp10 is not running & needs to be restarted. After timing out it shows 502 Bad Gateway. Requested from wikitable at Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Assessment. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Now running. Thank you. :-) — JoeHebda • (talk) 15:43, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

September 29, 2018 - enwp10 not running

Greetings @Kelson: and @Audiodude: The web service for enwp10 is not running & needs to be restarted. In browser tab it shows "Loading" and never times out with any error. Eventually browser says "no internet connection" (not true). Requested from wikitable at Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Assessment. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 14:34, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Now running. Thanks :-) — JoeHebda • (talk) 19:12, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Great, I have setup a monitoring solution on this service in a attempt to reduce the overall down time. Let see if we can do better ;) Kelson (talk) 07:12, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Ok @Kelson: monitor is a great idea. When it trips off then a better idea of what might be conflicting/causing it to stop. And when it happens. Just guessing ,but if it is being stopped before the assessment bot runs, then maybe just need to add more code to restart when assessement bot is done. :-) — JoeHebda • (talk) 20:48, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

October assessment bot logs

Tracking for Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log.

Date	Log created	Comment
October 1	None	-
October 2	None	-
October 3	None	-
October 4	Sept. 29 Sept. 30 Oct. 1 Oct. 2 Oct. 3 Oct. 4	at 22:01 at 22:02 at 22:02 at 22:02 at 22:02 at 22:02
October 5	None	-
October 6	None	-
October 7	None	-
October 8	Oct. 5 Oct. 6 Oct. 7 Oct. 8	at 22:03 at 22:03 at 22:03 at 22:03
October 9	None	-
October 10	None	-
October 11	None	-
October 12	None	-
October 13	None	-
October 14	None	-
October 15	None	-
October 16	None	-
October 17	None	-
October 18	None	-
October 19	None	-
October 20	None	-
October 21	None	-
October 22	None	-
October 23	None	-
October 24	None	-
October 25	None	-
October 26	None	-
October 27	None	-
October 28	None	-
October 29	None	-
October 30	None	-
October 31	None	-

October 3, 2018 - enwp10 not running

Greetings @Kelson: and @Audiodude: The web service for enwp10 is not running & needs to be restarted. In browser tab it shows "Loading" and never times out with any error. Requested from wikitable at Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Assessment. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 14:17, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Running again. Thanks. JoeHebda (talk) 02:01, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

October 4, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot processed 5 days of assessment logs

Greetings @Kelson: and @Audiodude: - Wondering what happened last night to trigger WP 1.0 bot to process so many days all at once?

Any way of tracking back to see if the bot was manually "jump-started"?

Just my thought but even if the bot is re-written/replaced, will there still be the conflicting WikiProjects that block processing, and will a new bot do the same?

Is there a way to check to software code to see if tool "enwp10" is shutdown/stopped before WP 1.0 bot begins processing? To insure these two are not conflicting. And that enwp10 is re-started when WP 1.0 bot is done?

1. Stop/shutdown enwp10 tool.
2. WP 1.0 bot processing
3. Re-start enwp10 tool.

Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 14:23, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi @JoeHebda: I was actually watching the log update job run last night. As far as I can tell, it was not manually run, it was the normal cron job. I also downloaded and took a look at past logs for the bot, and could see that, the previous few nights, it had stopped unexpectedly without any stack trace or other error information. The bot does have logic for trying to "catch up" on pages when it falls behind, and I think this logic has served it well in the past to cover for unreliability, since most editors on WikiProjects are likely not closely monitoring it day by day by day.

It is unclear what is causing it to die in these situations, though. Clearly, a goal for the rewrite is to provide better logging and stack traces so that when something goes wrong, it can be diagnosed.

I'm interested in your idea about stopping the enwp10 web interface while the logging bot is running. Currently, no attempt is made to do that and the programs run concurrently. What is it that you think that there's a source of contention (presumably for database resources) and why do you think that this would help? audiodude (talk) 03:42, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Greetings @Audiodude: Wondering if there is any kind of a "timer" in the job that says "after X hours or minutes" to stop after WP currently being worked on is done. Or after X number of WikiProjects? That would explain randomness. Just as there is a "Start at" time,is there a "Stop time"?

In looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Popular pages there is another bot (Community tech bot) doing assessments. It starts at Day 1 of each new month & plows through WikiProjects. It takes anywhere from 12 to 17 days to get to this specific WP. Could this be 2 bots that from time-to-time hit upon the same WP simultaneously, causing "WP 1.0 bot" to stop. Is there any "collision avoidance" logic in there? Like, "this WP is busy/locked, so, skip to the next WP & continue processing".

Another thing to be checked - is there any kind of WP limit in the code? X number of WP completed so it stops there? If yes, increasing that WP limit to accomodate more WP could be the solution.

A few more ideas. JoeHebda (talk) 13:34, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

@JoeHebda: The bot starts with a list of every project it knows about and runs until every item in that list is processed. There is no limit on the number of projects to process. Like I said before, the bot seems to crash sporadically, but it's unclear why. There is also no logic to avoid "collisions" with other bots, but honestly that shouldn't be an issue because they operate on different pages and use different resources. It is not clear how such a collision avoidance mechanism would even be implemented. Cheers! audiodude (talk) 19:48, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

@Audiodude: Thanks for explaining how the bot works.

Here are a few more questions.

1. Is there a way to view content of that starting project list? To see if any projects are repeated, causing a loop & job to abort.

2. That starting list of projects, does it include inactive ones?

3. Are there any projects "out there" without assessment table?

4. Still wondering why it can go X-number-of-days without logs? Is the bot still running 24/7 during those days?

Thanks for helping investigate this issue. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 23:47, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

@JoeHebda: Responses to your questions:

1. Yes, I've downloaded the list from the server and posted it as a as a csv here. There are no repeated projects as far as I can tell. Even if there were, that would not "cause a loop", so I'm afraid that's not the likely culprit.

2. Most likely. However I imagine it's a slippery slope, defining a project as "Inactive". Also, if it is Inactive, it is likely to have a relatively small number of pages to process so it shouldn't be a problem really.

3. I have no idea.

4. The log updating bot doesn't run 24/7. It starts at around Noon UTC time every day and runs until it is finished. Like I said, I looked at the logs and the bot seems to be quitting "mysteriously" and "without a stack trace" on those days that it fails.

Cheers, audiodude (talk) 03:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@Audiodude: Thanks for the csv-file.

• While I did not read the whole thing, paging through I noticed an "odd line" at #2370. It is very long & unlike other WP lines. Wondering it this is the problem? I have no idea how to fix, or if fixing will solve the issue.

Wiki_Loves_Women,Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Loves Women,Wikipedia,Wikipedia:WikiProject,Wikipedia,Wikipedia-Books,Wikipedia:WikiProject,Wikipedia-Books,Wikipedia_1.0_Arts,NULL,Wikipedia_essays,NULL,Wikipedia_vital,Wikipedia:WikiProject Vital articles

• At random I picked "Wikipedia:WikiProject Cartoon Network" in the csv file & see it appears 5 times. Could this be making the bot to run much longer? And maybe causes it to occasionally stop when it becomes confused.

• The CSV file has over 2,400 lines, yet at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory the category tree there shows 1,490 projects:
  

674 Active projects
242 Defunct projects
1 Draft project
299 Inactive projects
274 Semi-active projects

• Is there a specific Category tree that drives the bot? I tried looking for one that matches & could not find.

The last Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log was on October 4, so any day now the bot should kick out multiple days. JoeHebda (talk) 14:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@JoeHebda: Glad the CSV proved useful! The weird line you saw was just a result of the (crude) post-processing I did on the raw database results, it presumably should be broken across several lines. It's not causing any problems for the bot. I've updated the gist to display the "fixed" rows as they should have appeared in the original CSV. Note there were other errors in the CSV because of my (crude) post-processing, but none of these are reflected in the actual data the bot uses. See the updated gist here.

I looked at the appearances of "Cartoon Network", but it's all different sub-projects:

• WikiProject Cartoon Network/Adult Swim task force
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Cartoon Network/Aqua Teen Hunger Force task force
• WikiProject Cartoon Network/Ben 10 task force
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Cartoon Network/Ed, Edd n Eddy task force
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Cartoon Network

It is important to understand, even if a project appeared multiple times on this list, it would not necessarily cause problems for the bot. The likely behavior we would see is that the logs and tables for these projects would get multiple edit revisions with the same data, which would not cause any problems for the other projects. Looking for duplicate data as the source of the problem is a dead end. It's far more likely that the data sets are too big and the bot is running out of memory or something similar (though we can't confirm this because the bot dies without a stack trace).

The bot uses this category exclusively for seeding its list of projects. I believe this is in accordance with the instructions in the WP 1.0 documentation, along the lines of what a WikiProject needs to do to be included in assessments. However, we might be able to revisit this criteria. I think the WikiProject Council links you provided seem very useful! audiodude (talk) 16:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@Audiodude: - Tonight watching WP 1.0 bot processing (User contributions) and wondering why sequence of Wikiprojects is not same as above link?

Tonight I contacted Oleg Alexandrov about helping solve conflicting WP categories issue. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 01:47, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

October 8, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot processing logs

@Audiodude: Digging back through last several days, I see, Yes, the bot keeps running. Just stops making logs at Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history project.

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• 21:48, 6 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+174)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
• 21:42, 6 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+660)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Big Brother articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 6, 2018 (2G r541))
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• 21:33, 5 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+1)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
• 21:17, 5 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-14,238)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography (arts and entertainment) articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 5, 2018 (2G r541))
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• 02:32, 5 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-1)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
• 02:03, 5 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+177)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Zoroastrianism articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 2, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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• 22:59, 3 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+1)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
• 21:41, 3 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+20,896)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography (arts and entertainment) articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 3, 2018 (2G r541))
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• 21:37, 2 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+2)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
• 21:28, 2 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+1,407)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 2, 2018 (2G r541))
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It does not seem to matter what project prior to "Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history". It just stops making logs when it gets to that project.

Silly question: does the bot not like the "Comma" in the project name? Maybe a different name, without "," & one of the bot's problems solved? JoeHebda (talk) 19:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@JoeHebda: This is interesting, but I think the actual logs of the bot tell us more about which project it is getting hung up on. I'm going to take a look at those now and get back to you. I don't think the comma has anything to do with it, though, as I successfully ran a "dry run" of that project just now and it queried the database just fine, and when I used the API method that copy_logs.pl uses to retrieve the log page, it also worked. audiodude (talk) 04:07, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

It looks like today it got past the South Pacific military history project and died on Biography: [1]

Still no stack trace or explanation in the logs of why it died though. I assume Biography is a big project (the logs say there were 1005 entries for it) and it might have run out of memory? audiodude (talk) 04:18, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

So I tried a DRY_RUN of copy_logs.pl with project=Biography and sure enough I got this error: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: MySQL server has gone away at ./copy_logs.pl line 572.. According to this page, it indicates that the query might have been killed by the server. I have seen references to a "query killer" in the code comments before, so this seems to be the most likely case.

Ideally, the bot would just continue with the next project, which is definitely something I have planned for the next version of the bot. audiodude (talk) 04:32, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

I asked for help in the wiki toolforge IRC channel, and it looks like there's nothing particularly wrong with the query that seems to be "causing" this. It does in fact seem to be failing "randomly". Again, I think the long term solution is to skip the project when this happens and go on to the next one. audiodude (talk) 05:08, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@Audiodude: Thanks for discovering the actual cause for processing to randomly abort. From your previous comments below.

The bot uses this category exclusively for seeding its list of projects. Since shows over 1.6 million articles (Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment). Wondering if that WP & all it's sub-projects could be removed from this tree & a seperate job/process be created to run just that bunch? Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@Audiodude: Wondering how long WP Bio runs if I manually request enwp10 tool? Will it tie up resources for a long time? Let me know your thoughts before/if I should attempt. JoeHebda (talk) 13:34, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@JoeHebda: Not sure how long it would run for, but note that running it manually doesn't keep it from being run as part of the automated run, so it might not accomplish what you're setting out for. audiodude (talk) 20:32, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@Audiodude: 1. Any logic in WP 1.0 bot program so that it skips assessments if already done that day via enwp10 tool? If yes, then bot might have a better success in creating logs.

2. What makes the bot switch over from doing assessments to creating logs?

3. Is there a way of forcing the bot to skip assessments and begin creating logs? Especially since logs are missing the last 4 days.

4. Another idea - if there were 2 jobs, first one starting assessments only, then 1-2 hours later start second job that does logs only.

At this point I'm almost "running on empty" for solutions to this long-standing issue. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 01:27, 14 October 2018 (UTC) JoeHebda (talk) 01:27, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

October 9, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot processing

@Audiodude: From the bot logs, last night it finished all the Copying assessment table to wiki at 21:17. Then it started with Log for October 8, 2018 (2G r541) creating project log files.
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• 21:17, 8 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+6,317)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/AFC articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 8, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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• 21:17, 8 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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Definitely a long shot-but wondering if starting the bot job 1 or 2 hours sooner would help? JoeHebda (talk) 13:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@JoeHebda: I don't think starting the bot earlier will have any effect. The bot does not have any kind of "time limit", it simply starts at a certain time and runs until it is finished. audiodude (talk) 04:05, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

October 13, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot processing

@Audiodude: and @Walkerma: From the bot logs, last night it stopped at 20:52. The next entry for 14 Oct. at 08:14 was me manually running enwp10 tool for WP Saints this morning. Questions are below.
User contributions for WP 1.0
• 08:14, 14 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-123)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Saints ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 20:52, 13 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-23,772)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography (arts and entertainment) articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 13, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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• 20:51, 13 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-7,281)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography (actors and filmmakers) articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 13, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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• 20:51, 13 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-34)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 13, 2018 (2G r541) [chunk 1 of 5]) (current)
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• 20:51, 13 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+94)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 13, 2018 (2G r541) [chunk 2 of 5])
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• 20:51, 13 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-157)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 13, 2018 (2G r541) [chunk 3 of 5])
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• 20:50, 13 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+9,089)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 13, 2018 (2G r541) [chunk 4 of 5])
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• 20:50, 13 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-9,000)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 13, 2018 (2G r541) [chunk 5 of 5])
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• 20:45, 13 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+788)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 13, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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Question: Even though the bot is started same time each day (cron job) can it be manually run a second or more times? And if yes, will it pickup where it last left off? That way it will catch-up with all the pending work not completed. JoeHebda (talk) 13:35, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

October 14, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot processing

Greetings @Walkerma: and @Audiodude: Last night it looks like the WP 1.0 bot started processing time of 19:11. Wondering if that is the normal scheduled start time?
From the logs, it stopped (again) at
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• 02:28, 15 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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Reporting that Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log was last updated on October 8. After the bot stops, how is it manually re-started?

Is there a problem of letting the bot run 24/7?

How far behind can the bot be & still able to process backlogged work?

Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:50, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Last week

Hi again, in looking at "WP 1.0 bot" logs from last week it looks like when the bot gets behind, it just keeps running 24hrs plus. A question - what does cron do when it attempts to start the bot & it is already running? Could cron be the random "bot killer"? JoeHebda (talk) 19:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

October 15, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot NO log since Oct. 8

Greetings @Walkerma: and @Audiodude: Wondering if Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log will be losing log data?

Is there a way to force bot to catch up?

JoeHebda (talk) 14:25, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi @JoeHebda:. I don't believe any of the data is lost, the logging data is still there, the bot just isn't getting to its processing. Giving enough time, care and resources I believe it would be possible to recover the logs, yes. As we've seen before, the bot will catch up provided it reaches the WikiProject. Thanks, audiodude (talk) 02:26, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Audiodude:. It's frustrating to see the bot getting stuck same way every day & not getting to WP after "B" for logs. I still think there is something broken either in Category Tree or WP Template(s). Need searching tool to find WP with bad tags. I notice when doing Assessments it is not-alphabetical, then when it starts on Logs, they are alpha sequence. JoeHebda (talk) 02:33, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Almost 5 Hours for WP 1.0 bot to process two WP

@Walkerma: and @Audiodude: Thinking there must be something in error with either category tree or WP content pages? Repeats of same table? Here's the logs for Military history and Biography (military).
• 02:28, 15 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 02:24, 15 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 01:19, 15 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-10)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 00:48, 15 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+10)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 00:04, 15 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 22:52, 14 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-10)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 21:52, 14 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 21:43, 14 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-137)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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JoeHebda (talk) 02:22, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

October 16, 2018 - Please RESTART bot

@Walkerma: and @Audiodude: Looks like the bot stopped 03:49, 17 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)

Please can it be restarted? Still missing Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log since Oct. 8th. Any way to force logs?

JoeHebda (talk) 13:40, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

October 18, 2018 - Bot stopped early

@Walkerma: and @Audiodude: Last night while processing October 18 logs, it stopped. Wondering why bot is skipping logs for Oct. 9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16 and 17 for Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log?
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* 00:18, 19 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+938)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 18, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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Trying not to be frustrated, JoeHebda (talk) 14:23, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@Walkerma: and @Audiodude: Wondering if I should contact Village pump-technical to see if anyone there knows how to start bot processing? JoeHebda (talk) 17:12, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

IMHO, I think we have to wait till Audiodude has finished writing his code. I don't think there's anyone from the Village Pump who would know more than Audiodude & Kelson. It may be frustrating, but this rewrite will hopefully fix bugs that we've had to deal with periodically since 2012 or so. I'm frustrated too - I haven't been able to make any progress on the 1.0 project for a long time - but I also want to see something that will work for the long term. Regards, Walkerma (talk) 02:52, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Third generation WP1.0 bot

As discussed above, we have begun working on the third generation version of User:WP_1.0_bot (the current version is the "second generation"). We are planning what features are needed, and we want to get the input from people who are using the bot regularly. I have also started a wiki page. If you are an active user of the bot (e.g., for WikiProject assessments), we would like to hear from you! We are setting up two venues:

1. User:WP_1.0_bot/Third_generation and the related discussion page, which will be for on-wiki discussion.
2. We're also planning a Jitsi discussion (audio only) on Thursday, October 18th, 2018, at 1800h UTC (2000h Central European Summer Time, 11am US Pacific Daylight Time).Walkerma (talk) 03:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

If you want to join us, then please sign your name below, and we'll contact you:

• Walkerma (talk) 03:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
• JoeHebda (talk) 13:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Reassessing the same article every day

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Anthroponymy articles by quality log "reassesses" Céline, Furse (surname) and Thomson (surname) every day without fail, for no particular reason as far as I can tell. Any ideas? —Xezbeth (talk) 07:00, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Quick look at Furse (surname) and the problem is the two {{WikiProject Anthroponymy}} templates with slightly different assessments. Keith D (talk) 07:38, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I can't believe I didn't notice that. —Xezbeth (talk) 10:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Why is bot "stuck" repeating WP Military history?

@Walkerma: and @Audiodude:
• 23:36, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 23:25, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 22:46, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 22:04, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+541)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 22:04, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 21:24, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+1,612)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 21, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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As reported earlier, no bot asssessment logs since OCTOBER 8. JoeHebda (talk) 13:13, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

@Walkerma: and @Audiodude: - FYI today I posted a link to above section at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. Hoping an expert there can identify why the repeats. JoeHebda (talk) 19:43, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

I've been looking at this from time to time because it's quite puzzling and some projects whose logs I look at don't get updated. I noticed in today's Australian Military History log that there are numerous articles listed as reassessed when their talk pages haven't been edited in years - some are even redirects. There's no duplicate tags nor stray categories added to the talk pages. Could there something mis-coded with the Military History project template that's causing this? --Sable232 (talk) 03:20, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Bot processing Oct. 22 to Oct. 23

@Walkerma: and @Audiodude: - Last night starting at 22:15 WP 1.0 bot processed WikiProject Military history a total of EIGHT times finally halting the bot at 04:14 on Oct. 23. I have posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history hoping this issue can be fixed. JoeHebda (talk) 13:20, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Has this been resolved? I haven't seen the report for days. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Conflicting project tags

It appears that there is a problem with project tags conflicting with each other - namely, Military History and any project that contains a military task force or workgroup. Example: Talk:Kieran Fleming is assessed for WP Military History under its military biography task force, and for WP Biography under its military biography work group. Both projects have differing assessments for the article, but the project tags both call a common category series - the end result being that the page is in both Category:Start-Class biography (military) articles and Category:C-Class biography (military) articles. This, of course, causes the page to turn up on each day's assessment log, switching between assessment classes ad infinitum. One solution would be to unify the assessment across every project tag, but I know some projects have differing guidelines for assessment; the alternative would be to modify one of the project tags to withhold adding a category if a conflicting tag is present. (I'm not well-versed in the intricate template syntax required for these tags to begin with, so I don't know if that's even possible.) The same problem occurs between Military History and WP Australia, which has a military history task force (although there's even more going on with that project's log because the problem happens even when there is no difference in assessment).

I've read through the discussions above and have to wonder if this is related to WP 1.0 bot tending to get hung up on a log for one of the affected projects. --Sable232 (talk) 22:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Sable232 for identifying this conflict. I added Expert help needed tag above. I don't have any idea how to fix & see the complexity with inter-connecting WPs. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 23:54, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

October 23 to 24, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot processing errors

Greetings ( Kelson— Walkerma— Audiodude— Oleg Alexandrov — Sable232)

From last night's bot processing. Confirming problem with WikiProject(s) templates and/or Category Tree.
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• 04:04, 24 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 02:58, 24 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+539)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 02:57, 24 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-686)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 02:20, 24 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 02:03, 24 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 00:53, 24 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+540)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 00:50, 24 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/New Zealand ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 00:31, 24 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-393)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 00:09, 24 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 21:59, 23 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+541)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 21:27, 23 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+868)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bibliographies articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 23, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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It would not surprise me if there is nothing "wrong" with WP 1.0 bot. WikiProject templates and Category trees drive that thing so next step is: How to find and fix the errors? Still looing for Expert help.

Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

October 24, 2018 - enwp10 not running

Greetings @Kelson: and @Audiodude: The web service for enwp10 is not running & needs to be restarted. In browser tab, it is hung on Assessment page and never times out with any error. Requested from wikitable at Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Assessment. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 14:28, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T207877

The tool http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/ is not working. All of the assessments in WikiProjects on the English Wikipedia depend on this tool (for instance, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Assessment -- all the links are to queries run by this tool) so it's important for maintenance and project work. Thanks!

JoeHebda (talk) 18:42, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Audiodude: for restarting enwp10. Wondering if the restart job can be posted onto a page so it is easier to run when needed? JoeHebda (talk) 20:17, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't think restarting the web tool via a web process is possible, no. audiodude (talk) 02:28, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

It looks like the toolserver assessment tool is working normally again. Walkerma (talk) 18:09, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Bot issue caused by incorrect article tags

Greetings ( Audiodude— Kelson— Walkerma)

After today's conference I had a chance to recall this problem and the solution.

Previously in WP Catholicism, the bot was repeating daily assessments (2 or 3) time for the entire WP. The cause was several articles with conflicting Class = tags.

Made-up example below. Because WP cath is a sub-project of WP Christianity, a particular article can have a tag of "catholicism=yes" on WP Christianity line.

{{WikiProject banner shell|1= {{WikiProject Christianity|class=C|importance=Top|theology-work-group=yes|theology-importance=Top|saints=yes|saints-importance=Top|catholicism=yes|catholicism-importance=Top|anglicanism=yes|anglicanism-importance=High}} {{WikiProject Religion|class=C|importance=Top}} {{WikiProject Biography|living=no|class=C|s&a-priority=Top|core=yes|listas=Aquinas, Thomas|s&a-work-group=yes}} {{WikiProject Philosophy|class=C|importance=Top|medieval=yes|philosopher=yes|religion=yes|ethics=yes|metaphysics=yes}} {{WikiProject Italy|class=C|importance=High}} {{WikiProject International relations|class=C|importance=}} {{WP1.0|v0.5=pass|class=C|category=Philrelig|VA=yes}} }}

If the article has a second WP Catholicism line, and the class= is different, the bot runs WP Cath assessment again. {{WikiProject Catholicism|class=start|importance=High}}

The solution is to either remove the cath. tag from WP Christianity, and match Class= on the Cath. line, Or delete WP Cath. line entirely.

Wondering if this is what is happening with both WP Biography (military) and WP Military history?

Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 19:38, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

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Good evening ( Audiodude— Kelson— Walkerma) Tonight for first time I did Export pages for stub WP Military history & searched offline. I found 4 articles where WP Biography was not Stub. I re-assessed to have class= matching. I see the WP 1.0 bot is already past WP Military history today.

Tomorrow I will do comparison of Category Stub-Class biography (military) articles against WP Biography. Hoping to find & correct more class mis-matches.

JoeHebda (talk) 00:22, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! The bot is supposed to be OK with conflicting assessments, but perhaps it got confused here - it would be great if that clears the block. Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 02:57, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

@Walkerma: Today, I found article Talk:Alan L. Gropman that had two lines same WP with diff classes (WP United States) so I removed the duplicate. The only block I removed today was from our downstairs bathroom sink (with a plunger)! Cheers! JoeHebda (talk) 20:27, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

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October 26, 2018 - enwp10 not running

Hi @Audiodude: and @Kelson: The web service for enwp10 is not running & needs to be restarted. In browser tab, it is hung on Assessment page and never times out with any error. Requested from wikitable at Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Assessment. JoeHebda (talk) 13:24, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Audiodude: and @Kelson: Thanks for restarting tool enwp10 . JoeHebda (talk) 14:38, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

October 26, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot running?

Hi @Audiodude: and @Kelson: Today at noontime (UScentral-time) I ran WP Military history and WP Biography (military) manually using enwp10 tool to get some timings vs. the daily bot process.

It is now after 19:00 CT and I do not see WP1.0 bot starting the daily run yet. Does it need to be manually started? Or did my noontime requests cause it to fail? JoeHebda (talk) 00:11, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Woops - it just started at 19:10. JoeHebda (talk) 00:13, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

October 27, 2018 - enwp10 not running

Hi @Audiodude: and @Kelson: The web service for enwp10 is not running & needs to be restarted. In browser tab, it is hung on Assessment page and never times out with any error. Requested from wikitable at Wikipedia:WikiProject Saints/Assessment. JoeHebda (talk) 17:48, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Audiodude: and @Kelson: it's running now. Thanks JoeHebda (talk) 18:24, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

October 27, 2018 - Report for WP 1.0 bot processing

Hi @Audiodude: and @Kelson: Firstly, during Assessment phase, Biography (military) ran once with no repeats.

• 20:35, 27 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+407)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)

From User contributions for WP 1.0 bot, processing during Log phase halted after WP Architecture.

• 21:15, 27 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-2,298)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Architecture articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 27, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)

According to CSV listing, the next WP where it hung/locked up/died would be Wikipedia:GLAM/Archives of American Art. I checked Cat.GA and half of Cat-B. There are many duplicates of Archives of American Art on the talk pages.

In addition, for WP Saints, appears to be not updating assessments since 2010.

Wikipedia:WikiProject Saints/Assessment

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Saints articles by quality statistics

From bot processing (below) plus I ran via enwp10 tool.

• 19:33, 27 October 2018‎ WP 1.0 bot (talk | contribs)‎ . . (12,179 bytes) (-123)‎ . . (Copying assessment table to wiki) (undo)

JoeHebda (talk) 04:12, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Logs not completed issue

Hi @Audiodude: and @Kelson: Looking at WP 1.0 bot User contributions from last night - a key question is Why does bot switch from doing WP logs & goes back to doing assessments? Should it not keep processing logs until all logs (A - Z) are done?
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• 00:09, 28 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• enwp10 request from Joe =
22:07, 27 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+123)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Saints ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 21:29, 27 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+1,181)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 27, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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At 21:05, 27 October 2018 it started first Log processing & ran until 21:29. After that it started Military history for a second time.

Five hours on 2 WP assessment

What causes the bot to run for almost 5 hours on two WPs?
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• 04:40, 28 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-407)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 04:19, 28 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 03:38, 28 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+407)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 03:19, 28 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 02:35, 28 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-407)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 01:26, 28 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 01:11, 28 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+263)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 00:41, 28 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-263)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 00:09, 28 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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IMO it is a "rats nest" of conflicting talk page WP tags that need cleanup. A tool is needed similar to enwp10 for finding duplicate WPs within each article of the requested WP. Part of difficulty is various spellings of Military history often WPMILHIST instead. Tool needed = Duplicate WikiProject finder for Talk pages. Wondering if this has already been invented? JoeHebda (talk) 14:03, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Focus on Biography (military) wikiproject

Discontinue manual searching of WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history, has over 220,000 articles.

Instead work on cleanup of WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military), has 61,000 articles.

•  Done - Category, Top-importance biography (military) articles (56 articles)
• Category, High-importance biography (military) articles (563 articles)
• Category, Mid-importance biography (military) articles (4223 articles)
• Category, Unknown-importance biography (military) articles (17,355 articles )
• Category, Low-importance biography (military) articles (20,364 articles)

•  In progress - Category, Stub-Class biography (military) articles (18,817 articles) 29 October 2018

Process for manual searching each category.

1. Export pages for Category.
2. Read pages offline in Notepad++. Search for duplicates, " Biography (", then second search " military) ".
3. Fix articles on Wikipedia as needed.
4. Run enwp10 tool for Biography (military) and check wikitable.

JoeHebda (talk) 14:33, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Today, after working on Stub-class articles, I manually ran enwp10 tool for Biography (military) articles. I did find one article with duplicate WPs. Tomorrow morning I will check tonights WP 1.0 bot logs. JoeHebda (talk) 23:46, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

October 29, 2018 - Broken WP1.0 bot?

Greetings (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma) From last night, WP 1.0 bot for logs, it should have processed Oct. 29 only. Instead the bot repeated (duplicate) logs for Oct. 25, 26, 27 and 28. Then created new Oct. 29 logs.

• Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log
• Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bibliographies articles by quality log
• Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bible articles by quality log
• Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bhutan articles by quality log

Oct. 29 - 30 processing

1. It processed assessment tables for Oct. 29 only.

2. After custom table Canada-Roads-1, it began creating 5-days-of-logs for each WP, as described above.
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• 21:05, 29 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+34,104)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/AFC articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 25, 2018 (2G r541))
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• 21:05, 29 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Custom/Canada-Roads-1 ‎ (Copying custom table 'Canada-Roads-1' to wiki) (current)
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3. After Bihar articles by quality log it began the Biography (military) / Military history death spiral.
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• 02:49, 30 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 02:44, 30 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 02:35, 30 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+407)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 02:15, 30 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 01:06, 30 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-407)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 00:46, 30 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+407)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 22:03, 29 October 2018 (diff | hist) (-407)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 21:51, 29 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+407)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 21:40, 29 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+1,195)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 28, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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Attention needed

Wondering if there is any "Reset/restart" job for WP 1. bot? As it gets further behind (many WPs = no logs since Oct. 8) will it ever get current? JoeHebda (talk) 10:24, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikiproject Bihar talk pages cleanup

Greetings (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma) When WP 1.0 bot stops doing Logs at WP Bihar, it then goes back to assessments, starting with WP Biography (military). I've seen this happen many times this exact same pattern.
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• 21:51, 29 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+407)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 21:40, 29 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+1,195)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 28, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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It may be a longshot but this morning I began doing cleanup on WP Bihar & am finding about 1/4 of articles have mixed "class=". So far, all articles have been checked except for Class = Start & Stub-class.

At Central Time, I ran WP Bihar with enwp10 tool.
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• 14:48, 30 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+244)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Bihar ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 05:39, 30 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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At this point I have very little confidence that cleanup of WP Bihar will fix the problem. Why does bot stop creating logs & go back to doing assessments? And it never goes beyond "B" inthe alphabet for logs. JoeHebda (talk) 20:01, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Help - Bot quality logs "stuck" on Oct. 25th

Greetings (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma) In tonight's WP 1.0 bot processing it is repeating days (for most WPs but not all WPs) from Oct. 25,26,27,28,29,30. Example at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Andorra articles by quality log. In addition to cluttering up logs, it is consuming more & more resources each day creating extra logs.

Is there any way to completely shutdown WP1.0bot and effectively start over? JoeHebda (talk) 02:30, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Tracking WP1.0 bot issue

Greetings (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma)

From quality logs for AFC which has daily level of activity.

• October 24 - processed once
• October 25 - processed once
• October 26 - Oct. 26, Oct. 26
• October 27 - Oct. 25, 26, 27
• October 28 - Oct. 25, 26, 27, 28
• October 29 - Oct. 25, 26, 27, 28, 29
• October 30 - Oct. 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30
• October 31 - Oct. 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31

Do not know what happened on October 26th when this problem began. Since WP 1.0 bot is broken, should it be shutdown? JoeHebda (talk) 13:46, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot had another "meltdown" last night & processed SEVEN DAYS for most (but not all) wikiprojects. JoeHebda (talk) 15:30, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Backtracking to August - WP1.0 bot issue

Greetings (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma)

Digging back through the bot processing. Start of "issues".

• August 15 - logs generated okay, from A to Z - last = Zimbawe
• August 16 - started AFC log at 21:46
• August 16 - stopped logs at "Bible" at 22:04 & switched back to assessment tables
• August 17 - stopped logs at "Bihar" at 21:45 & switched back to assessment tables
• August 18 - started AFC log at 21:28
• August 18 - stopped logs at "Bible" at 21:51 & switched back to assessment tables
• August 19 - started AFC log at 21:24
• August 19 - stopped logs at "Bihar" at 21:51 & switched back to assessment tables
• August 20 - started AFC log at 21:34
• August 20 - stopped logs at "Bible" at 21:59 & switched back to assessment tables
• August 21 - started AFC log at 21:19
• August 21 - at 21:50 began processing "Biography (military)" 15-chunks for August 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21. Ending at 21:54
• August 21 - at 21:54 began processing "Biography (musicians)" Aug.16 to Aug.21
• Continued running, creating quality logs
• August 22 - at 03:06 processing ended at "Zimbawe" Aug. 16 to Aug. 21

This was the beginning of bot's meltdown. Last good complete process ran on August 15. JoeHebda (talk) 15:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

October 31, 2018 - enwp10 tool not running

Greetings (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma) - Please restart enwp10 tool. Thanks. JoeHebda (talk) 16:19, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Now running, thanks! JoeHebda (talk) 16:39, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Conflicting Wikiprojects - Talk pages

Below is what I just posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity/Noticeboard. Conflict is WP Christianity talk pages with Bible workgroups, plus a Bible WP line.

Greetings, Today I updated 10 Christianity WP pages, removing "bible workgroup" from the christianity WP because the talk page already contains WP Bible line. The duplication is causing issues with daily assessment WP 1.0 bot.

• 400th anniversary of the King James Version (talk)
• Bible in Basic English (talk)
• Farrer hypothesis (talk)
• Historicity and origin of the Resurrection of Jesus (talk)
• King James Version (talk)
• Mary Magdalene (talk)
• Pauline epistles (talk)
• Synoptic Gospels (talk)
• Textual variants in the New Testament (talk)
• Category:Historicity and origin of the Resurrection of Jesus (talk)

Going forward, whenever this type of conflict is discovered in other articles, please update to remove the conflict. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 18:28, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Above changes had no effect on WP 1.0 bot October 31 processing . Bot appears to create "non-user generated" changes for the logs whenever all WPs do not have exact same "class =" and "importance =" values. JoeHebda (talk) 15:37, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

October 8, 2018 - processing of WP Biography (military)

Good-day (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma)

For Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography (military) articles by quality log processing on Oct. 8, WP 1.0 bot created 15 chunks, a huge amount of work. There may be 100s of articles needing talk page cleanup. There are no more quality logs since then for this WP.

These articles have conflicting class = values that need to be unified. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 20:33, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

EIGHT DAYS - Bot quality logs "stuck" on Oct. 25th

Greetings (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma) In tonight's November 1 WP 1.0 bot processing it is repeating days (for most WPs but not all WPs) from Oct. 25,26,27,28,29,30 and Nov 1. Example at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Andorra articles by quality log. In addition to cluttering up logs, it is consuming more & more resources each day creating extra logs.

Because the bot is malfunctioning, I am posting at Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard. The assessments (first part) seem to be processing correctly. It is the quality logs (second part) that is having a meltdown. After fixing, I don't know if the accumulated multiple repeating logs can be removed with a cleanup job.

Tonight after logs for WP Bihar it once again stopped processing WPs, not getting to "B" to "Z" WPs.

• 21:37, 1 November 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)

• 21:30, 1 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-105)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log ‎ (Log for November 1, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)

Instead of processing Biography (military) tables multiple times, it did Military history. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 03:07, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

November 2, 2018 - enwp10 tool not running

Greetings (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma) - Please restart enwp10 tool. Thanks. JoeHebda (talk) 14:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

It's running now. thanks :-) JoeHebda (talk) 20:01, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

November 2, 2018 - Duplicate WPs on Talk pages

Greetings (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma) - Tonight I found duplicate WPs on these articles

• Talk:Stavanger Heliport, University Hospital
• Talk:Muller Ice Shelf
• Talk:2007 Chattanooga Mocs football team

In addition while watching WP 1.0 bot processing, after it completes assessment tables (part one), the very first WP for quality logs (part two) is "AFC". At Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/AFC articles by quality log are many, many articles with duplicate AFC lines. I added a message here at AFC talk page about removing duplicates. I did cleanup 3 or 4 articles & am now calling it a day. Will check tomorrow. JoeHebda (talk) 02:37, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Please update the bots talkpage.

Please see User_talk:WP_1.0_bot. Toolserver has been gone now for years. Who's actually running this bot these days? Is it being run from toolforge now? What's the project name? SQL^{Query me!} 06:40, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

The bot is run by the few of us left on the WP:1 project, and we maintain it on behalf of all the WikiProjects. The main person who maintains it is User:Kelson, and he is working currently with User:Audiodude on writing new code to try and fix the problem. See User_talk:WP_1.0_bot/Third_generation for some initial ideas. Walkerma (talk) 03:51, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Tracking - November, 2018 - Article quality logs

WP 1.0 bot creates "Assessment tables" for all articles "A" to "Z". Since October 8, the bot processes "quality logs" only for WPs "A" to part-way thru "B" stopping after WP Bihar. So for WPs "C" to "Z", no logs since October 8.

For example at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log.

Date	Log created	Comment
November 1	None	-
November 2	None	-
November 3	None	-
November 4	•	•
November 5	•	•
November 6	•	•
November 7	•	•
November 8	•	•
November 9	•	•
November 10	•	•
November 11	•	•
November 12	•	•
November 13	•	•
November 14	•	•
November 15	•	•
November 16	•	•
November 17	•	•
November 18	•	•
November 19	•	•
November 20	•	•
November 21	•	•
November 22	•	•
November 23	•	•
November 24	•	•
November 25	•	•
November 26	•	•
November 27	•	•
November 28	•	•
November 29	•	•
November 30	•	•

This bot behavior is reported at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation seeking a search tool to find duplicate WPs on article talk pages. JoeHebda (talk) 14:17, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

November 3, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot processing

Greetings (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma) - From last night's bot processing, at WP Bihar it created logs for Oct. 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, Nov. 1, 2, 3. Then it stopped "quality logs" and switched back to "assessment table" for WP Military history, which it ran only once & did not repeat-run Biography (military) at all.

Missing template for WP Bihar

It looks like WikiProject Bihar is actually a taskforce/subproject of WikiProject India. On an article I attempted to add

and it redlined = no template. I have zero knowledge of how WPs are created & setup correctly. Does the WP1.0bot expect there to be a template for every wikiproject? Could this be causing the "quality logs" blockage? JoeHebda (talk) 14:29, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Date timestamps, corruption

More bot news for (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma) - On some Wikiprojects, for "quality logs" the bot switches back to dates of 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.

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• 21:47, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-73,593)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/American Civil War articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 25, 2018 (2G r541) [chunk 2 of 2])

• 21:47, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-496)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/American Animation articles by quality log ‎ (Log for June 15, 2011 (2G r541) [chunk 1 of 8]) (current)

Processing dates 2009 to 2011

• 21:36, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-96,773)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/American Animation articles by quality log ‎ (Log for December 8, 2009 (2G r541) [chunk 6 of 6]) (Tag: Replaced)

• 21:35, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+99)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Amateur radio articles by quality log ‎ (Log for November 3, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)

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•21:24, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+4)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Abu Dhabi articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 25, 2018 (2G r541))

• 21:24, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+10,804)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Abortion articles by quality log ‎ (Log for March 27, 2011 (2G r541) [chunk 1 of 2]) (current)

Processing dates 2009 to 2011

• 21:22, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-96,510)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Abortion articles by quality log ‎ (Log for December 8, 2009 (2G r541) [chunk 3 of 3]) (Tag: Replaced)

•21:22, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+769)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Abkhazia articles by quality log ‎ (Log for November 2, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)

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Is there a database file where "WP1.0bot" stores these dates? Wondering if another bot in error is overwriting the date-timestamps? JoeHebda (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2018 (UTC)