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Urgent: comments requested at Lee Man-hee

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The article about the leader of the Shincheonji cult, Lee Man-hee, appears to have a lot of Wikipedia:SPA accounts editing in his favour. A friend from my church was duped into joining this cult, and tried to lure me in as well. Please take note of his article for non-neutral and COI editing. Thanks!

Comments are urgently requested at the afore mentioned page. We have a discussion which requires informed comments from those familiar with the topic of this discussion. Your help at your earliest convenience will be appreciated. Félix An (talk) 08:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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Eastern Orthodox Feast Days being removed or not put in on certain articles for a specific day

For articles for:

December 2nd

December 3rd

December 6th

December 8th

December 10th

December 11th

December 12th

December 13th

December 14th

December 15th

December 24th

December 26th

December 27th

December 28th

December 29th

December 30th

December 31st

The link to the Eastern Orthodox liturgics is not present. I do not know if they never were added, or if they were removed by a user. I do not know if this removal has been done to other months, but I only checked this month. Just letting you know that it will need to be put in again, but I do not have the time to do so and I don't really know how.

I am speaking about, for example, December 1st here has this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_1

• Christian Feast Day:
  • Castritian
  • Eligius
  • Edmund Campion
  • Nicholas Ferrar (Episcopal Church (United States))
  • December 1 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)

See, a link of December 1 Eastern Orthodox Liturgics page which lists the feasts of that day. This is needed since in the Orthodox Church, depending on which jurisdiction one uses the Gregorian Calendar or the Julian Calendar so this mixes up which day is which feast so it is easier to link to a page rather than have two lists of Saints on that day for each calendar.

December 2nd is missing the link under Christian Feast days, which would have a link to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2_(Eastern_Orthodox_liturgics)

Same with all the other dates listed. I only checked December, which I noticed was missing some days either by being taken out or not ever being added. I suspect other months also have this problem. Wondering if anyone will do the hard work and do the edits... I am afraid I would just be reverted since I am an IP75.73.114.111 (talk) 06:15, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Christmas controversy Norway and Sweden

There is a talk page discussion about whether controversy in Norway and Sweden about public schools attending Advent/Christmas masses in Church belongs in the article. As we are currently only two disputans, any input from other users would be appreciated. Regards Iselilja (talk) 14:41, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

First Christian nation

What was the first nation to adopt Christianity as its state religion? Was it Armenia, Ethiopia, or Georgia? Anyway, there is a discussion at Talk:Christianity#Link to Kingdom of Aksum in the lead regarding what to include in that article. If there is to be an explanation given concerning this dispute, in what article would it belong? History of early Christianity? StAnselm (talk) 03:24, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

• What about Edessa? Historians have posited their claim as often as those above. --ColonelHenry (talk) 04:08, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

The explanation given concerning this dispute should be in Early centers of Christianity#Outside the Roman Empire, if not elsewhere too. tahc ^chat 05:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

(biblical person) / (Abrahamic person) dab

Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism#.28Abrahamic_person.29_dab In ictu oculi (talk) 03:40, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Christian Science

Has been added repeatedly to List_of_topics_characterized_as_pseudoscience viz [1]. At the CS talk page it was pretty generally accepted that CS is actually a religion. Thanks. Collect (talk) 21:36, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Why is religion relevant - isn't this a question of what counts as pseudoscience? Or has somebody suggested that the two are mutually exclusive? bobrayner (talk) 23:04, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Basically Carl Sagan said that religions and belief systems are normally not categorised as "pseudoscience." Searching Questia finds 3 books total dealing with CS as "pseudoscience" and over a thousand dealing with it as a "religion." This is a couple of orders of magnitude and such a disparity would generally place the extreme minority view into the "fringe category." Collect (talk) 23:30, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• There's currently a lot of nonsense going on with articles and allegations of "pseudoscience"--something that I think will eventually end up at ArbCom, topic bans, and the rest that would make the Bradley Manning mess look tame...so I wouldn't want to touch that with a ten-foot pole. And I'd recommend anyone to stay clear. --ColonelHenry (talk) 23:23, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I share that concern. bobrayner (talk) 01:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

The best I could offer is put it on the administrator's noticeboard (not on WP:AN/I...that's the intellectual 4chan cesspool of Wikipedia)--ColonelHenry (talk) 01:33, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Chinese minorities / Bible translations

article blanked but restored. Could possibly do with expansion. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:02, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Articles on crosses

Hi, just for information, I'm in the process of translating a number of articles from German Wikipedia on different forms of Christian cross. So far, these include: basalt cross, forked cross, shaft cross, stone cross and wayside cross. These add to earlier articles on summit cross and triumphal cross. I've also created a template - {{Christian crosses}} - to link them up. Cheers. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:10, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

"Free Christians"

See talk:Free Christians (Britain) about a confused mess concerning Free Christians (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and Free Christians (Britain) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and the need for renaming and cleanup -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 22:40, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

For the record, I pointed this out here on August 27. My request was archived without receiving any response. Better luck this time. BrainyBabe (talk) 00:53, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

• I'm not familiar with this issue or the subject of the two articles. So that I don't have to sort through the mess, can you explain what the problem in a few sentences, so perhaps I can begin to be of help.--ColonelHenry (talk) 05:03, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

• The page reads like an advertisment. It also seems purposely opaque. tahc ^chat 05:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Guillermo Maldonado (Apostle)

Greetings WikiProject, may I please request some eyes over at Guillermo Maldonado (Apostle). The sources are poor (mostly primary sources and at least one dead link that may have been lifted out of El Rey Jesús). It appears the subject is notable as the leader of a big church, and seemingly prolific author, but I was hoping to get some experienced editors over there to take a look. For example, is "Apostle" an occupation? Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

• I think that's a little self-aggrandizing on his part or his marketing team's part since as an apostle I can't find his name in the Gospels or in Acts. The other Maldonado is the race car driver, which is a stub of dubious notability. I'll take a look at it later, and might move the article due to the misappropriation of "Apostle"--ColonelHenry (talk) 20:47, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Whilst I think we need to distinguish between "the Apostles" in the Biblical record and the role of "apostle" which is used in some church circles to describe the function of church planting or pioneering mission today, I think to use it as a disambiguator does sound a little pompous and confusing. Perhaps it should be Foo (church leader) or Foo (priest)? --Bermicourt (talk) 21:27, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey all, y'know, I think the article creator might benefit from some guidance on how to create a quality article. The inexperienced user did a large copy/paste from the official website, so that was hinky, but s/he has since removed the copyrighted content, but now we have little more than a stub, and there's still a speedy-delete pending. I think either moving the article to Guillermo Maldonado (pastor) might be a good start. I'm going to copy the bones of the article to Cristian325's userspace so it can be worked on. If anybody would be willing to poke at it, (assuming the community finds the subject notable) I'm sure it would be appreciated. Oh, and there's a parallel article on the subject's wife at Ana Maldonado. Cyphoidbomb (talk)

UPDATE: I've copy/pasted the article into Cristian325's userspace. Changed the parenthetical to (pastor). I've left instructions on the user's talk page and encouraged them to make contact here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:47, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I think either [Guillermo Maldonado (minister)] or [Guillermo Maldonado (pastor)] would be fine. Either way a disambiguator should always be (as an adjective) uncapitalized, not a honorific. tahc ^chat 01:02, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey all, looks like the user is trying again. New submission at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Guillermo Maldonado (pastor). It was declined for reasons you will find obvious. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:38, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

And now his 3rd try (at least) is at Guillermo Maldonado (Reverend). Please look. tahc ^chat 06:13, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

• "Reverend" isn't a title, its an adjective and inappropriate as a parenthetical. "pastor" or "minister," a noun, would be appropriate. the article itself...defies words. --ColonelHenry (talk) 06:47, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
• Crazy question...do we know whether Cristian325 is Maldonado? A little COI vanity project perhaps? --ColonelHenry (talk) 07:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Any consensus re: adding "Protestant" before Christian? Concerned about user's addditions...

I wanted to post this here to get some feedback. Another user, User:Rafaelosornio, appears to be somewhat indiscriminately inserting the qualifier "Protestant" before Christian, multiple times, across a variety of articles of religious leaders and popular entertainers. I think this is somewhat poor form for the reader to see the redundant adjective, but am assuming good faith.

Here is one example which I good faith reverted, as it affected quoted material and categories, others appear to alter some categories as well:[2]

Here are other examples:

• singer Kris Allen [3]
• change to category definition [4]
• evangelist Benny Hinn [5]

Don't think these changes are necessarily the best idea, but wanted to gauge consensus here. Roberticus (talk) 18:20, 10 January 2014 (UTC)