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Correct Sandra Long to Sandra Song, when quoting her Paper article. Her name is spelled Song. 64.18.150.80 (talk) 18:02, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Oli London for deletion

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Edit request dec. 9th, 2021

"Oli London is a British Internet personality and singer.Mostly notable for identifying as a transracial Korean..." There should be a space between the words siger. and Mostly OdensGod (talk) 17:36, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, thanks NemesisAT (talk) 17:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA

This page looks ready for the GA status. Any opinion? —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 09:09, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

German or French translation

Please anyone who can speak German or French (or both) to watch this video (link), which contains an interview of Oli London with a bilingual television channel, to translate the video for me or add anything you find appropriate to the article. Thank you. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 07:36, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) 02:30, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to BLP concerns on the part of the hook and article, the article was not eligible for DYK as it had not received a 5x expansion.

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... that the South Korean singer Oli London has been criticised for identifying as transracial? Source: Smith, Ryan (29 January 2022). "'Transracial' Influencer Oli London Says Trolls Turned Him Into a Recluse". Newsweek. Archived from the original on 12 April 2022. Retrieved 2 May 2022.

Created by User:Nicholas Michael Halim (talk). Self-nominated at 00:46, 2 May 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Comment: Not a full review, but I don't see the article or the hook meeting WP:BLP in terms of sourcing or due weight. Request that the reviewer keep an eye out for this in carrying out their assessment. Cheers! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 02:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do not fail pages often without an opportunity to cure, but this one has a lot of issues where fixing them is going to be problematic.

Not long enough: The page does not read as a 5x expansion in DYKcheck. From time of nomination back to last edit before expansion is 1764 to 5617 characters readable prose. This is a 3.18x expansion. It still is not 5x; in fact, it is now at 4892 characters. A lot of work is going into this page but this is not being addressed. You would need 8,820 or more characters readable prose.
BLP concerns: I use User:Headbomb/unreliable, a script that highlights unreliable references. It highlights five references in red, the least reliable:

One from Blaze Media: "considered generally unreliable for facts".
One self-published tweet (acceptable as a source of information about the subject).
A YouTube video by Ali Dawah, whose other videos look like a lot of clickbait.
A site called Sportskeeda, an Indian sports news website that, per our article on it, uses content "procured from contracted, freelance and occasional writers".
A YouTube video from Rappler, which is considered reliable.

There are also 11 yellow references, the next tier of concern.

The Daily Mirror (no consensus on reliability)
Insider (reliable for culture topics but not others)
The Spectator (which consists of opinion columns)
Newsweek (per WP:RSP, "Unlike articles before 2013, post-2013 Newsweek articles are not generally reliable")

A substantial amount of material needs resourcing or rethinking. Leek is correct to be concerned. This is a high-volume, high controversy BLP (34,000 views in 30 days). There's a good chance it has undue weight on the identity question. Biographies of living people need better sourcing than this across the board.

Nicholas Michael Halim, I recognize this is your first nomination to DYK (with one existing credit for an article someone else nominated), and I can understand a failure to recognize the 5x expansion issue. (You indeed did not need a QPQ.) However, I am quite surprised to see an article in this state from someone with 33 GAs and 8 FLs. This should not be a DYK and indeed cannot be as too short. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sammi Brie: Yes, this is my first DYK nomination. I am sorry that you have to fail it. I will nominate one of my GA articles for DYK sometimes. Thank you. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 23:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Nicholas Michael Halim: A reminder that only recently promoted GAs qualify for DYK. Hopefully the lessons you learn here get put back into the article. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:20, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Transgender

Oli London has came out as a transgender Korean woman. The article should change the pronouns to she/her. She also said that she is going to join Korean Women's swimming Olympics. 78.135.101.121 (talk) 09:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

London still uses they/them. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 10:58, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And he has since "detransitioned", insofar as that is a thing. 82.152.216.226 (talk) 18:52, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many grammar issues throughout article

There are many grammar mistakes that seem as if they are the product of Google translate or other internet translation services Williamarsh (talk) 04:04, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Williamarsh: I am the one who worked on this article and I am NOT using Google Translate. I am not a native English speaker, so I am really sorry if my grammar is really bad. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 05:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

“Praised for transracial activism”

I would like to point out how adjacently false that statement is on the bottom of the opening paragraph when you open the page. Most, if not all, of people who know about the term “transracial” are completely against the idea. 2A00:23C8:5081:1B01:5D78:2E5D:8789:3C21 (talk) 08:22, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please examine your points. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 08:48, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The introductory paragraph is non-neutral.

It says his procedures are racist and appropriative. According to whom? 68.132.117.208 (talk) 09:18, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Critics. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 09:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a hot mess

Where do I even begin? How the whole page sounds like a gossip website? The absolute lack of any real achievement? This article wouldn't even be considered "notable" by some editors (even after an extremely warranted deletion effort) if it weren't for these so-called "significant coverage" whose content is only about his racial transition controversy and a rather concerning obsession with a certain K-pop idol. Yes, there is zero significant coverage about his supposed "acting and singing career" that is blatantly written on lead without actually being addressed in the article body (those passing mentions of "horribly received music releases" doesn't count, they only further prove my point). I couldn't care less about the fate of this one particular page, but still, all of this needs to be said. Wikipedia is, and should be better than this article.

But hey, now that the "creator" and "gatekeeper" of this article has disappeared off the face of Wikipedia, I hope anyone who has the right enough mind to vanquish this page once and for all can go absolutely wild! Just know that many people (including me) are silently rooting for you. Cheers. 「HypeBoy」^TALK 14:18, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I've done all I can to slightly improve the quality of this article. You're welcome, invisible people.「HypeBoy」^TALK 15:17, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HypeBoy this article is indeed a hot mess. i wouldn't delete it because people need to be able to actually get information about whoever they're looking up, but also yeah it needs more than just talking about the "transracial" stuff and weird obsession over a BTS member. but i guess when most of what people know about him are those topics, that's what the article is going to mostly be about. KingcCake (talk) 06:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar notes

Hello to anyone who sees this. I have went through the article and fixed grammar as I see fit. In accordance with this I have removed the copyedit notice. If anyone feels this is not right and wants to reinforce the notice, that is fine. Schminnte (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No longer Korean?

Described himself as "I'm just a normal British guy". I don't think he considers himself Korean anymore. 118.6.228.36 (talk) 12:58, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry it's a video on Youtube called "Gender Madness" by the New Culture Forum. I'm not allowed to link it. 118.6.228.36 (talk) 13:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Right-wing grifting

Oli has now taken a political U-turn and uses the invalidity of his "race transition" to invalidate transgender people. This has now become a key part of his online presence. 84.66.5.28 (talk) 08:07, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removed unsourced claim. If a good source is found supporting the claim, feel free to add it back.

Having briefly identified as a transgender woman, London said he regretted his surgeries and is now an anti-transgender activist. Vixtani (talk) 19:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]