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WS[edit]

I removed the Move to WS template as it is already on WS--BirgitteSB 16:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

What's WS? Maikel (talk) 10:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Oakeley[edit]

Shouldn't a separate stub article be created for Frederick Oakeley, rather than having him redirect here. (This would enable his categorization as a person rather than a song!) Dsp13 15:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Please Remove SEX AND THE CITY[edit]

The television series "Sex and the City" ist totally blasphemous! Please remove immediately the reference from this article about a holy christian song - Janina- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.187.54.202 (talk) 12:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

OK if we leave the reference to Twisted Sister in? Or maybe we need to get clearance from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith first? Maikel (talk) 10:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Even if the series is "blasphemous" (which is completely unproven) there is no basis for removing material from Wikipedia on the basis of an irrational emotional outburst of this kind. We can be thankful that "Janina" did no see fit to to vandalize the article.

Poihths (talk) 02:46, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Adeste fideles = come, faithful[edit]

How can we make clear that "Come all you faithful" (or more simply "come, believers") is the English translation of the Latin "ADESTE FIDELES"? This doesn't come out clearly enough in the article, in my opinion. Maikel (talk) 10:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It would be useful to discuss the complexities of translation, but simply equating "adeste" to "come" does not cover the issue. The verb appears to mean something more like "Be present" or "Attend" ("be in this place and pay attention") rather than "Come" ("move in my direction"). I hope someone with expertise in Latin can comment.

Poihths (talk) 02:50, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Jacobites[edit]

A British academic has written that the song may somehow be related to the Catholic Jacobite uprisings of the early 18th century. [1] It would be interesting if anybody could back this up with more solid sources. 69.157.229.14 (talk)

Origin[edit]

I remember reading that this is originally an old Latin church song. Haven't been able to confirm it though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.152.172.113 (talk) 20:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

That would certainly account for the Latin lyrics. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 22:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
It was written for the Lats. More accurately. the Roman Catholic liturgy and specifically the mass remained in Latin until the 1960s,[2][3] so it's somewhat likely that a Roman Catholic hymn writer would write in Latin in 1743. . dave souza, talk 00:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

The article should make more explicit the inconsistency between attributing the authority to John Francis Wade, born in 1711, and the existence of two earlier manuscripts dated from 1640 found at Vila Viçosa, in the same vein as purported to the supposedly authorship of Marcos António da Fonseca, also known as Marcos de Portugal. --Wcris (talk) 15:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC) .

I see no verifiable references to the manuscripts in the reference "Neves, José Maria (1998). Música Sacra em Minas Gerais no século XVIII, ISSN nº 1676-7748 – nº 25". I have read through this document and the author claims that the King is the author with no reference to manuscripts or anything else. Unless someone can come up with a reference for this I suggest removing the "King John IV" section completely and leave a note saying the the authorship has been disputed with a reference to the text by José Maria Neves. --Paulo Casanova 12:28, 21 May 2014

Thank you very much for your effort. The cited source by Stephan (1947) makes a convincing argument in debunking any Portuguese authorship, be it Marcos Portugal (Fonseca) or King John IV. I agree with your proposal to remove the reference to Neves' side remark in his paper. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:15, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Why are we waiting[edit]

Why_Are_We_Waiting redirects here. Is that because it is the same tune. In Britain, this tune is spontaneously sung by a group when they are kept waiting by another. The article should include an explanation of this redirect. --90.218.44.26 (talk) 05:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Quantative claims should be supported by data[edit]

The statement that the Oakley translation is "the most used version today" is completely unsupported by any data, probably for the simple reason that no such data exists; nobody keep count of what songs are sung by whom and how often other than on the radio, which is not what we're talking about here. I suggest this sort of unsupported quantitative statement be removed unless it can be demonstrated to be true in some fashion. Poihths (talk) 02:53, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Invisible image with automatic download[edit]

This was near the top of the page:

Start of "Adeste fideles" About this sound Play 
[[File:Adeste Fideles sheet music sample.svg|thumb|330px|Start of "Adeste fideles" {{audio|Lilypond-screenshot-adeste.mid|Play}}]]

I don't see any image here - so it is really out of place. Clicking it gives you an automatic download, which is not something I expect. Clicking on the download starts a program on my Mac, which is something i really don't like. Before putting it in again, would somebody explain what this is and why we want it in this article? Smallbones(smalltalk) 00:32, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like a problem with your computer. This image was added by consensus, and it would take a consensus decision to reverse it. I do happen to know that Mac computers can sometimes present problems like this one, but that's hardly a reason to revert the change. I am therefore reverting this unless you can come up with a reliable source proving it is out of place or detrimental to the page. Please do not revert back without a consensus decision supporting it. --Jgstokes (talk) 02:49, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
What consensus? Do you actually see anything in the picture? or just a blank box? If it is downloading automatically for other people, it could be viewed as a menace. You need to explain what this is and why it has the bizarre behavior. I'll revert it until I see an explanation. If you'd like, please suggest a forum to discuss this - but until I see an explanation, it is out. Smallbones(smalltalk) 02:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
(Smallbones, I took the liberty to show the Wiki code of the box up in your post). The image, File:Adeste Fideles sheet music sample.svg, shows the first 4 bars of the song. Embedded in the caption is a link to the MIDI file File:Lilypond-screenshot-adeste.mid which will play via the encapsulating template {{Audio}}. All that works here as expected on my Windows systems. If the image doesn't show on your PC, there's a serious problem with your browser. MIDI file are a different matter these days; many devices are no longer properly equipped to play them, but attempting to do so will not "take over your computer", as you put it, if properly configured. Please restore the box with the image & sound. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:45, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
So, you are telling me that everybody except me will see a picture in the box at the top of this section? Really? Why does the music not play, downloading instead? Is it intended to download? If so, I think the word "download" should be in there rather than "play". If midi files don't play anymore, don't you think we should let our readers know? Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:31, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Start of "Adeste fideles" About this sound Download Midi file 

How about

[[File:Adeste Fideles sheet music sample.svg|thumb|300px|Start of "Adeste fideles" {{audio|Lilypond-screenshot-adeste.mid|Download Midi file}}]]

300 px is the largest size that I can see, and if a download is required people should know about that ahead of time. Smallbones(smalltalk) 13:40, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I think that everybody else will see that picture. Images larger than 300px are quite common; all 5 images at Piano Sonata No. 14 (Beethoven) are. Can you see them? As I wrote before, how MIDI files are played depends on the user's configuration. Once upon a time, they would play automatically within a browser. Then browser add-ons were needed. Then they were treated like other exotic file extensions, like .DWG, .PS, &c, which require special programs to open them. With dedication, this behaviour can be simplified and automated. If your system behaves in a way you don't like, don't click on such files (the filename should be visible when hovering above the sound icon).
A different approach: do you have access to a different browser, a different computer, a different operating system, or a mobile device? How do they behave? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 22:09, 26 April 2016 (UTC)