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Awesome Armory

I need to see something about Batman's aircraft the Bat Wing, and something about The Jokers four foot long barrel 357 Magnum.

Simple Spelling Errors

Has this article been attacked by 14 year olds on imdb? Just go look at the reactions section. "danceing" "pyhsical" It's awful! AWFUL.

Axis Chemicals

Anyone happen to know anything about the model that was blown up in the movie? Or what factory it was based off of?

Requested move (Jan 2006)

Batman (film) → Batman (1989 film) – For the sake of specificity. Hypothetically there could be a whole new movie named "Batman" in thirty or fifty years' time. --Phoenix-forgotten 00:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Voting

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~

Discussion

Result

Page moved. Eugene van der Pijll 18:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Studio picks for Harvey Dent

I recall around 1992, when BATMAN RETURNS was released, reading an article that discussed why the Max Schreck character was brought in to replace Harvey Dent in the movie. It said Warner Brothers was not happy with Billy Dee Williams' performance in the 1989 movie and never wanted him cast in the role in the first place. The article said the studio wanted either Don Johnson or Dale Midkiff cast as Dent (and you have to admit there is quite a resemblance between Johnson and the character design of Dent from BATMAN THE ANIMATED SERIES). Can anyone confirm this, and if so, add it to the article ?

Jack Nicholson--The new Batman

Why didn't they get Jack Nicholson to be Joker in the new Batman(2005)? Was it because of the way that he demanded the pay for the first Batman(1989)? Or was it something else? ~*~Punk18~*~

For starters, The Joker isn't in the new Batman. JamesBenjamin 01:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Summary

No offence to whoever rewrote this summary, but could someone rewrite it so the events of the film are in proper order. If I do it (and I might someday if nothing happens) it'll probably end up like Batman Returns after I rewrote its summary[1].--Lenin & McCarthy 17:36, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Rediculous Rumors and Opinions as reference?

Removed the bit about Nicholas basing the Joker on Pro-wrester Ric Flair. Not only is there a lack of proof for this, but it's absurd.

Also removed the references.... they were all references to a single writer's opinions! Not how it's supposed to be played.

Trivia section

I'm concerned about the trivia section; specifically, I'm concerned that it exists at all. We link directly to the IMDb; there's no need for us to duplicate its trivia section here, complete with contradictory information, hearsay, rumors, and unsourced, unprovable information. As it stands it's all random information without context or purpose. I'm pasting the old trivia section below. As people find references they can integrate this material into the article proper. If it's important enough to be mentioned we can find a way to do this in context. Let's make this a better article. Mackensen (talk) 00:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia (removed from article)

Casting

  • Adam West, star of the Batman TV series, wanted to play Batman, but Michael Keaton was given the role after getting the nod from Bob Kane. The choice of Keaton created a stir because Keaton was primarily known for his comedic, light-hearted roles.
  • Ricky Addison Reed was cast as Robin when the character was part of an earlier story treatment. Robin was eventually dropped, and Reed lost the role.
  • Robin Williams was considered for the role of The Joker; he would later be considered for The Riddler in Batman Forever. Jack Nicholson got the role of The Joker but demanded top-billing and a lucrative deal that gave him royalties on all merchandise.
  • Billy Dee Williams appears as Harvey Dent, who in the comics became Two-Face. Williams took the role with the expectation that he would be brought back to play Two-Face and reportedly had a contract clause added reserving the role for him. During casting for Batman Forever (1995) Warner Bros. decided they would prefer Tommy Lee Jones and bought out Williams' contract.
  • It is claimed that Adam West was offered a cameo as Bruce Wayne's father but turned it down, though West denies being offered the part.
  • Sean Young was originally cast as Vicki Vale, but broke her collarbone while filming a horse-riding scene with Michael Keaton. The scene was subsequently written out of the script.
  • Alec Baldwin, Charlie Sheen, Bill Murray, Pierce Brosnan and Tom Selleck were rumored to be considered for the role of Bruce Wayne/Batman.
  • Willem Dafoe, David Bowie, James Woods and John Lithgow were all considered for the role of the Joker.
  • According to a Playboy interview with Robin Williams, Jack Nicholson was offered the role of Joker first. When Nicholson kept delaying his answer, Williams was offered the role. The producers immediately turned around and informed Nicholson that Williams was considering the offer, and Nicholson accepted. Williams has remained bitter about being "used as bait." See Batman Forever trivia (1995).
  • The Special Edition DVD features a vignette of an unused storyboard where The Joker, being chased by Batman, would drive through a circus presentation featuring the Flying Graysons, where he sets fire to the tightrope and kills them. This would set up Robin for the sequels. Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill reprise their respective vocal roles from Batman: The Animated Series for this vignette. However, due to the abscence of Loren Lester, Dick Grayson is voiced by Jason Hillhouse.
  • Although the filmmakers have noted Frank Miller's Batman: The Dark Knight Returns as a key inspiration for the film, Miller himself has stated his dislike for the film upon having viewed it.

Production design

  • Set designer Anton Furst deliberately mixed clashing architectural styles to make Gotham City the ugliest and bleakest metropolis imaginable.
  • The plastic surgeon's weird surgical tools are believed to be originally from another Warner Brothers production, Little Shop of Horrors (1986). They were the dentist tools owned by Orin Scrivello. They are also believed to have been used as the gynecology tools used in the film Dead Ringers (1988).
  • The Batsuit weighed 70 pounds.
  • The Batman symbol on the costume in this film is slightly different than the version seen in the comic books. It has two extra "points" on the bottom of the black bat emblem that represent bat feet. However, the teaser poster and other such promotional materials for the film depict the logo just as it appears in the comics, for copyright purposes (because that specific look for the logo is what DC Comics had copyrighted). The Batman costume was slightly modified for Batman Returns (1992) and sported the comic version of the symbol.
  • Heavy security surrounded The Joker's makeup.
  • The throne that The Joker sits on when he spreads money over the citizens of Gotham may be a replica of the "Silver Throne", the Royal Throne of Sweden which the King of Sweden used until 1974 at the opening of the Swedish Parliament.
  • The painting that The Joker spares during his vandalism spree is Francis Bacon's Figure with Meat.
  • The design of Gotham City is based on the work of architects Antonio Gaudi, Otto Wagner and Shin Takamatsu.
  • Scenes of the Wayne Mansion were filmed at two English stately homes: Knebworth House for exterior scenes, Hatfield House for the interiors.

Other trivia

  • Tom Mankiewicz was first contracted to write a Batman script for Warner Bros. in the early 1980s following his work on Superman: The Movie and Superman II.
  • Michael Keaton worked out for two months to prepare for the role, and learned kickboxing from his stunt double, David Lea. Though hard to spot, many of the fights are just about evenly split between Keaton and David Lea in costume. Keaton, however, went on to perform all of the fights himself for the sequel Batman Returns.
  • It made an estimated additional $750 million in merchandising alone.
  • Executive producers Benjamin Melniker and Michael E. Uslan sued Warner Brothers for forcing them into accepting a net profit agreement rather than the gross profit one that was set up for other parties like Jack Nicholson. Warners then claimed that, although "Batman" at the time was the 5th biggest grossing film ever, it was still technically in the red, and offered the two producers a $1 million out-of-court settlement, which they rejected.
  • Corto Maltese (where Vicki had been taking pictures) is the name of a popular European comic character, starring in the adventure comic books of Italian Hugo Pratt. Corto Maltese is also an island country in Frank Miller's Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, one of Burton's inspirations for Batman.
  • Burton has also admitted that his movie draws heavily from the Batman story, Batman: The Killing Joke.
  • This was the first film to ever get a "12" rating in Great Britain. The rating was created to prevent young children from seeing the film. It had been in place up until 2002, where it was updated to "12A" for the live-action Spider-Man (2002) movie.
  • Kim Basinger is only a few inches shorter than Michael Keaton. To make Keaton appear taller, she wears flat heels or is in stocking feet in all the scenes in which they are standing next to each other.
  • In the Globe office, an artist hands Knox a drawing of a bat dressed like a man, poking fun at his belief in Batman. The drawing is signed "Bob Kane." Kane himself was originally planned to play the artist.
  • Jack Nicholson received a percentage of the gross on the film, and due to its massive box-office took home around $60 million. As of 2003 it is still the single-movie record for actor's salary.
  • The flag of Gotham City closely resembles the state flag of Indiana. It can be seen briefly in Harvey Dent's office.
  • When the Tom Mankiewicz script was in development, the directors associated with the project included Joe Dante and Ivan Reitman. Producers wanted an unknown to play Batman and the cast wish-list included William Holden as Commissioner Gordon and David Niven as Alfred, Bruce Wayne's faithful butler.
  • Vicki Vale is based on the comics character of the same name (who was a reporter and photographer) and also on 1970s Bruce Wayne girlfriend Silver St. Cloud, a name deemed too silly for a movie character.
  • The character of Alexander Knox (Robert Wuhl) was a character created for the movie. In the first draft of the script, the character was killed during the parade scene. He may be named after the late actor Alexander Knox.
  • When Alfred receives Vicki Vale's message, a portrait can be seen in the background, some believe it to be a portrait of Thomas Wayne, Bruce's father.
  • For its first video release, the film was graded slightly lighter, as cinema audiences had complained that it was filmed so darkly that they could hardly see what was going on.
  • Anton Furst's designs for Gotham City were partially incorporated into the comics during the early 1990s.
  • In a newsroom scene, Vicki Vale and Alexander Knox examine a map of Gotham City which has been marked with Batman sightings. The map is actually a map of Vancouver, British Columbia.
  • The film was the first live-action movie to be played on Toonami.
  • One scene in the film includes the destruction of a priceless painting when one of joker's goons places his hands on the painting (leaving red hand prints.) But later in the scene we see that the hand prints are mysteriously gone.
  • Screenwriter Sam Hamm was annoyed at the filmmakers over certain changes made from his original drafts. The most notable would be making The Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents, and Alfred Pennyworth letting Vicki Vale into the Batcave. Hamm himself said that he was able to keep Burton from making these changes until a writer's strike which prevented him from being with the production.
  • In Sam Hamm's original draft, Alexander Knox was a more serious character who has romantic rivalry between Bruce over Vicki. Knox was also able to figure out Bruce's secret identity, but would later be killed in the climax.
  • In the book Hit and Run, author Kim Masters writes that Tim Burton's original vision for the film was much, much darker, but producers Jon Peters and Peter Guber vetoed the idea.
  • Jack Nicholson based his performance of The Joker on professional wrestler Ric Flair.

Japanese dubbing artists

Data from the Japanese Wikipedia.

Video and DVD

October 14, 1992 TBS Wednesday Road Show

June 18, 1995 Morning Sun Sunday Western Theater

Cat's Tuxedo 22:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

This article is a joke.

I was just reading this article and there are numerous POV statements, unverified claims, spelling errors, improperly-formatted links, etc.

I'm absolutely shocked at how poorly-constructed this article is, especially considering that the subject is one of the most successful movies of all time.

This article is the shame of Wikipedia.GuruAskew 23:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

How So?

I say, whoever it was that did this certainly did a good job. So what if they made fun of Akiva Goldsman? What do you like Batman & Robin or something? Can you please explain examples? I would love for you to do so. wildroot 9:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I have no love for the Schumacher/Goldsman "Batman" movies and I haven't even seen Goldsman's more "acceptable" stuff like "A Beautiful Mind" but making fun of him is one of the many problems with this article. Go read it yourself, like I said, there are many POV things (like the one you mentioned) plus spelling errors, incorrectly-formatted links, etc. plus just plain bad writing. Some passages look like a 14-year-old C-student wrote them.GuruAskew 19:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll give you the credit for the POV statments, I mean after all this is Wikipedia. [wink wink] Anyway back to the point. Can you list one example, I would love to hear one where there's an incorrectly formated link? Plus if you think that the grammar is terrible (which is, well true) why don't you do something about it to look sophisticated, in fact I'll try right now. Good night. wildroot 22:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I did a bit of rewriting. Tried to make it a bit more professional sounding. Only did the "Before Tom M." section at this point.Superstooge 18:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

A primary flaw of this article as it currently stands....

...is that there's a huge amount of space devoted to synopses of developments scripts and material that never made it into the finished film, but there's next to nothing about the actual plot of the movie as filmed and released. A lot of the Development section could be summarized or jettisoned completely. -- Pennyforth 18:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

This Article Rocks, but....

Somebody needs to upload some images. wildroot 22:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC) EDIT: Nevermind, I did so myself. wildroot 15:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

GA review

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
  • "Home video" has no references. Done. Added 2 references.
  • "Music" and "Warner Brothers" could use some more references. (WP:CITE) Done. Added 2 references.
  • "Cast" and "Warner Brothers" need some editing, there's too much useless information. Done
  • The "Reaction" section could easily be expanded, plus, it has only one reference (the second one is dead). Googling "Batman 1989 review" will probably give a lot of information. Done. Added 2 references.
  • There are too many wikilinks, plain English words should not be linked (writer, dark, screenplay, serious, girlfriend, dead, etc). Another wikilinking problem are dates, sometimes years are linked and sometimes full dates are not. There's also no need to wikilink anything more than once in one paragraph (Hollywood, DC comics, Batman, etc. are linked EVERYTIME!), linking decades is also discouraged (30s, 40s, etc.). The 60s tv show is linked far too many times, and why would someone link entire phrases like this: "ever since the TV series was cancelled"? just MAYBE, if the tv show hasn't already been linked in the paragraph link TV SHOW, but not the entire phrase. This happens quite a lot in the article, fix that. You should check these out to fully understand what i'm talking about: WP:OVERLINK and WP:MOS-L. Done I removed as much random wikilink and overaccessive words as possible.
  • This article talks about Batman the movie, but it sometimes mentions things like this:He spends the next twenty years of his life training his mind and body for his destiny// why he looks or behaves the way he does //turning public sentiment against him and branding him a wanted outlaw // the literal process by which Bruce Wayne becomes Batman. This wikilinks become confusing, it shows "when and where" this episodes took place, as if they actually took place, as if Batman's life was a straight line composed in episodes. And it's not. This comic books and films should either not be mentioned or mentioned in another way, showing their pertinency to this article. (WP:WAF) Done
  • "Tom Mankiewicz's script" should either be removed or further summerized, as it's almost completly irrelevant to the film itself. Done
I'll leave this on hold for seven days, then i will take another look. Cheers, Yamanbaiia 15:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

After review

Thanks to me and Wildroot, all the problems have been fixed. Also, I 'd appreciate if someone could review Superman film series. Limetolime 01:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks man. Wildroot 21:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, i fixed some other things. I'm promoting to GA, good job :) Yamanbaiia 00:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Good Article Reassessment

I'm doubting the article status due to the following concerns:

  1. The lead section is far too sparse to be a concise overview of the article.

Wildroot 15:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

  1. The Plot section is too long.

Wildroot 15:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

  1. The non-free images in the article besides the identifying image have insufficient fair use rationales.

Wildroot 15:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

  1. The Box office performance section is too sparse to warrant its own section.

Wildroot 15:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

  1. There is no Critical reaction section from independent perspectives to comment on the film.

Hopefully these concerns can be addressed. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 20:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Style

It's mentioned in this section that there was no computer generated graphics. Why even mention this? It seems fairly obvious that there wouldn't be. The first computer generated character in a film appeared just a few years earlier in Young Sherlock Holmes. Computer graphics were not advanced enough to use in such a way at this time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.87.86.50 (talk) 16:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

That is wrong. Simple cgi effects were first used in the late seventies.93.128.4.25 (talk) 10:10, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Silly

Somehow the text says Gotham City is silly in the grip of.... When I go to edit 'silly' disappears... Yyem (talk) 08:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC) i've tried again and it looks like it's gone for now Yyem (talk) 08:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Peters, Burton and Michael Keaton

I've recently developed an interest in Jon Peters, and there is a bit of information on this article that clashes with information in the Tim Burton article. In this article, it says that Jon Peters suggested the casting of Michael Keaton, and Burton agreed. In the Tim Burton article, it says Burton fought Jon Peters in order to get Keaton cast. These are backed up by print sources I have no access to, not online sources. Can anyone help sort out which is right?--122.109.146.138 (talk) 18:19, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

The Tim Burton article is not backed up by any sources. This article is. Trust me, I read like six different books to see who was right. I'm responsible for the status of this article.—Wildroot (talk) 16:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Um.. who?

while the 1988 Writers Guild of America strike forced Hamm to leave the set

Who is Hamm? He's not mentioned at any point prior to this reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.75.35 (talk) 03:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes he is. His name is Sam Hamm. He wrote the story and screenplay. Cool879 (talk) 04:35, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

Before I take this article to Featured Article Candidacy, I have to prove that the following websites are reliable sources:

Since I have no way of explaining this, other than Being Bold, it's probably best to collect other opinions from editors. http://www.superherohype.com because it has its own page at Superhero Hype!, it that makes any sense. Batman-on-Film might pass since "Batman-related" filmmakers such as David Goyer, Michael Uslan and Chris Corbould call call it reliable. And nice.

However, the other websites might be a little tricky. Alientraveller said it's good to only use sites like those for interviews and set visits, when information comes directly from the source. Then again, the doesn't explain http://www.scifiscripts.com or http://www.dailyscript.com.

  • Comment - On general principle, none of those places are reliable. If "DailyScript.com" and "SciFiScript.com" are placed to get scripts, then absolutely no. You need to find a source that talks about the script, as the actual script is difficult to authenticate. Unless those other sources have personal interviews they are conducting, then they aren't reliable. Batman-on-film is a fansite. It's like Kryptonsite.com for Smallville. It may be accurate, but it isn't reliable.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: I think that except for SuperHeroHype.com, which is published by Coming Soon Media, L.P. and Crave Online Media, LLC, the other websites are self-published. Per WP:SPS, I don't think that the websites besides SuperHeroHype.com would be acceptable because they're not run by established experts who have been published elsewhere. How dependent is the article on these resources? Perhaps you could find a way to replace the resources: "However, caution should be exercised when using such sources: if the information in question is really worth reporting, someone else is likely to have done so." —Erik (talk • contrib) 23:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Well I did fix the sci-fi scripts link because of a script review from IGN. I guess everyone agrees on Superhero Hype! since you guys use it in all of your other articles.  BIGNOLE  said that "unless those other sources have personal interviews they are conducting, then they aren't reliable". Yes, all of those websites have personal interviews they are conducting. So I guess that pretty much solves everything, right? Wildroot (talk) 01:04, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

We don't use, or at least we shouldn't, SHH unless they has word-of-mouth information. If they're doing scooper reports, then no..and SHH likes to do a lot of "inside information" reports...just like BOF.com has their "insider" that gives them information. Without specific names of someone they contacted, then it really isn't reliable because rumors are rumors and that is what that information is when someone official has not announced it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
It was a Michael Uslan interview. Not "a-I-just-heart-from-one-of-my-inside-sources-at-Warner-Bros." type of report. Wildroot (talk) 02:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Uh...

What happened to the cast list? :/ 72.95.145.190 (talk) 21:33, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

It was merged with the Casting section during the A-Class review. Wildroot (talk) 03:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Why was it necessary to merge the cast list for the A-Class review.Sha-Sanio (talk) 03:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Because Wikipedia told me they would kill me if I didn't do it. Wildroot (talk) 02:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Plot

Hi Wildroot, I've started some work on the plot, maybe you would like to take a look at it, maybe we can add it to the Batman (film) article. It's going to take some time until I will finish the plot section so maybe you can take a look at it in advance. Sha-Sanio (talk) 16:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

"Cast" section needs rewording.

Bad engrish throughout. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.108.190 (talk) 22:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

There isn't a section called "Cast". Wildroot (talk) 04:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Paragraph 3

Sentence about awards was re-written for clarity. Original sentence made it look like there were many Academy Award nominations when there was only one. --Davmpls 01:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Movie not shown to have "inspired" animated series, but did "succeed" it. POV edit. --Davmpls 01:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davmpls (talk • contribs)

Um...thanks. You didn't need to bring this to the talk page though. Simply putting it in your edit summary, which you did, is fine. Just so you know. Anakinjmt (talk) 04:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, you never know. Some people get very agitated if you edit anything. Better to say it and explain it.Davmpls 14:49, 3 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davmpls (talk • contribs)

A line which doesn't make sense

Warner Bros. was impressed, but Englehart felt there were too many characters. He removed the Penguin and Dick Grayson in his second treatment, finishing in May 1986 but this from media class at moat community college 78.111.193.120 (talk) 11:10, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

It was just vandalism. I've removed it. Thanks for the heads-up. Anakinjmt (talk) 16:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Budget source

Box Office Mojo puts the production budget at $35M. They're not the most precise source, but a 50% difference w/ the listed budget deserves more than passing explanation. The source used for the high budget listed looks like a "tell all" book claiming to show how certain people took Sony for a ride... not a neutral source at first blush. +sj+ 06:51, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Adam West

The de Vries article is cited as a source for the claim that "Adam West felt himself to be a better choice", but as far as I can see, it says nothing of the sort. Rather than just insert a citation needed tag, I thought I'd ask here if anyone has a better cite? Goldenband (talk) 01:08, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree. I read the whole article and there is absolutely no mention of Adam West suggesting that he himself should play the part. Can someone edit it out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.47.201.35 (talk) 02:42, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Max Eckhardt merge

An AFD has decided that an awful article about a small character in this film should be merged into this article. This article is very nice and I don't wish to ruin it, any ideas about how we should do this merge? Ryan4314 (talk) 20:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Filming

I wanted to add that some location filming was also undertaken at Hanwell Asylum - a few miles down the road from Acton Lane Power Station (mentioned). Some of the closed down wards to the west of the hospital were off limits for 2 to 3 weeks for filming and Jack Nicholson chatted to some staff and signed a few autographs on one day towards the end of filming. He had a large left-hand drive Winnebago for his use and being left-hand drive one wondered if it was his own vehicle that he had had brought over from the states specially. Having watched the film a few times I have never managed to spot a single scene which I could say was shot at Hanwell Asylum, but the empty wards were frequently used as empty shells, and in at least one case (not this film) had been painted black (walls ceiling and windows) and turned into a night club - so the Batman production people could have done anything in there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.243.39 (talk) 17:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you have any references that corroborate your information? GoingBatty (talk) 22:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Corto Maltese

i think this is an information more important than just trivia. But if you deleted it twice maybe you right. So long, and thanks for all the fish ;) Assianir (talk) 22:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Strange Apparitions error

There's an error in paragraph one of the Production section. Strange Apparitions was never a limited series -- it's just a paperback collection of Englehart and Roger's runs on Detective Comics, issues 469-479 (including a few issues worked on by only one or the other). I hope this helps! It's a minor issue, but since the article's locked I couldn't fix it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.172.53.63 (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed GoingBatty (talk) 00:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Further Information on Development

The further information link in the development section is currently broken. Could someone please relink it to Batman in film#Tim Burton / Joel Schumacher series. Thank you. --139.168.116.212 (talk) 13:08, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed GoingBatty (talk) 18:54, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Batsuit merge request

There are banners on the production section and on the article Batsuit (1989) suggesting that the latter be merged into the former; I support this. That article is completely auxiliary, uncited and duplicates information from this article. Most of it seems to be OR, and what little interesting information there is should be included in the production process here. It does not meet notability by itself. Much better treat of both of them here. Best, --Ktlynch (talk) 19:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

No one here since you have posted this seems to care, Im okay with it.--Dr. Pizza (talk) 00:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Support - GoingBatty (talk) 00:30, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Gilliam's Brazil influence

Brazil by Terry Gilliam was a notable influence upon the film's production design, both Burton and Furst studied it as a reference, for a source see: Alan Jones. "Batman in Production", Cinefantastique, November 1989. I'd add that fact myself, but it looks like the article is protected as of now. --79.193.43.24 (talk) 06:45, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

plus Added - GoingBatty (talk) 18:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 134.174.21.5, 16 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}


134.174.21.5 (talk) 17:13, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Add Cast section

We should add a section for the cast. 134.174.21.5 (talk) 17:13, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Could you please be more specific as to what you would like to add that is not already in the infobox or Casting section? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Not done: As GoingBatty mentioned, it appears that this section is already in the article. If something specific is missing, please make a new edit request with those details. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:52, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Casting?

Is it possible to add Catharine O'Hara's (later recast) role in the casting section? She was supposed to play the reporter that suffers from the Joker's toxins and collapses on air. This is pretty interesting considering her prior working relationship with Burton (and probably unknown to a lot of fans of the film) and I remember reading it in both a DC Comics letter column and an interview with O'Hara, but I finally found a citable article from the Toronto Star in which it's mentioned: http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/120421--o-hara-s-oscar-worthy-barrymore-moment - is this worthy of inclusion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bopshowbiz (talk • contribs) 19:55, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Sequels?

Shouldn't there be at least a mention of the sequels, perhaps with links to their respective Wiki articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.174.105 (talk) 23:17, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Typo: Gotam

In the fourth paragraph of the Plot section Gotham is spelled 'Gotam', I wanted to do a quick edit but the article is locked.

Fixed. Thanks! Fru1tbat (talk) 11:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 September 2013

At the end of the introduction section, it says that The Dark Knight Rises was released in 2013, but it was released in 2012.

74.72.127.237 (talk) 16:29, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Done RudolfRed (talk) 16:37, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2014

Critical response 69.133.97.34 (talk) 19:14, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

 Not done No specific request. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

MARKETING (DC BATMAN CONTEST at Macy's )

MARKETING In the months pre-dating Batman's release in June 1989, a popular culture phenomenon rose known as "Batmania".[31] Over $750 million worth of merchandise was sold.[21]

Macy's in conjunction with DC COMICS & the BATMAN movie held a contest with the prize being an appearance in the DC BATMAN COMIC. The entry forms were located in the Batman merchandising department at Macy's. The contest consisted of answering three Batman related questions correctly with one winner randomly picked. Two of the three questions were: Who was Batman's original girlfriend? Where were Batman's parents killed? The winner of the contest was F. Joseph LEONARD of San Francisco who appeared in the Batman Issue #459, February 1991, pages 6-8, Script by Alan Grant, Pencils by Norm Breyfogle, and Inks by Steve Mitchel. In the Batman comic, the winner was drawn being mugged by two punks in Murder's Alley. Batman saves him by tossing a flare thus blinding the bandits, then knocking them out. Joseph thanked Batman and shook his hand before leaving Gotham City. F. Joseph Leonard states that "It was a memorable experience. Winning the contest lets me say that not only have I visited Gotham City, but I shook Batman's hand in the Batman comic book!" Addadada (talk) 11:41, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2014

Change the budget to 35 Million to match the one in box office mojo reference. 98.28.130.193 (talk) 22:54, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. The 48 million figure is mentioned in the body with a citation. You'd have to reach an agreement with the other editors to include both. Regards, Older and ... well older (talk) 15:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2014

The 'plot' section not only has a couple of spelling errors, but could be clearer. Some parts do not have enough detail (if you were looking for specifics, as I have been known to do on this site). So mainly a tidy up of the plot and the correction of some spelling errors.

Gotham City is a city riddled with crime. Street thugs, corrupt policeman, gangsters; they're everywhere. With the city's 200 year anniversary looming and citizens scared to be out on he streets, the Mayor orders District Attorney Harvey Dent (Billy Dee Williams) and Police Commissioner James Gordon (Pat Hingle) to increase police activity. Recent sightings of a 'giant bat' attacking criminals not only intrigue reporter Alexander Knox (Robert Wuhl), but also brings photojournalist Vicki Vale (Kim Basinger) to Gotham. Together they begin to investigate reports of the vigilante, nicknamed "Batman".

Mob boss Carl Grissom (Jack Palance), discovers his mistress Alicia (Jerry Hall) is involved with his second-in-command, Jack Napier (Jack Nicholson). With the help of corrupt policeman Max Eckhardt (William Hootkins), Grissom sets up Napier to be murdered during a raid at the Axis Chemicals plant. During the ensuing shoot-out, Napier kills Eckhardt, after which Batman suddenly appears. In the ensuing struggle Napier is hit by a ricocheting bullet and falls into a vat of chemical waste. Commissioner Gordon sees Batman for the first time as he narrowly escapes police capture. Meanwhile, the presumed dead Napier's hand appears out of the waste after surviving his trip through the chemical plants sewage system.

Batman's alter ego Bruce Wayne (Michael Keaton), is a billionaire industrialist who, as a child, witnessed his parents' murder at the hands of a mugger. Bruce meets and falls for Vicki at a fundraiser he is hosting at Wayne Manor, and the two begin a relationship.

Napier makes his way to a backstreet surgeon, who with limited tools attempts to repair his face. Upon seeing his new twisted visage; a fixed grin, chalk-white skin and emerald-green hair, Napier's mind snaps, and he reinvents himself as "the Joker". Announcing his rebirth to Grissom, he kills the mob boss and takes control of his criminal empire.

The Joker begins to spread terror in the city, first by lacing hygiene products with a deadly chemical known as "Smilex", which causes victims to laugh to death when used in certain combinations. Via his right hand man Bob (Tracey Walter), The Joker becomes aware of Vale and is smitten. In a twisted romantic gesture The Joker sets a trap at the Gotham Museum of Art for Vicki, and he and his henchmen vandalize the surrounding works of art. Batman arrives and rescues Vicki, and the pair escape in the Batmobile. In the Batcave Batman reveals he has studied Smilex and has information that can negate its effects. He gives this information for Vicky to publish so she can warn the city about the poisoned products.

Bruce meets with Vicki at her apartment, prepared to tell her that he is Batman. They are interrupted by the Joker, who asks Bruce, "Have you ever danced with the devil by the pale moonlight?" before shooting him. Bruce, who was wearing a tea tray as makeshift armour, escapes. The Joker's quote prompts Bruce to go back through the file on his parent's murder, where he realises that Napier, who asked him the same question years before, is man responsible for his parent's deaths. Vicki suddenly appears in the Batcave, having been let in by Bruce's butler, Alfred Pennyworth (Michael Gough). After avouching himself to Vicki, Bruce—as Batman—leaves to destroy the Axis Chemical plant. The Batmobile, controlled via remote, blasts its way in and destroys the facility.

With his original plan foiled by Batman, Joker lures the people of Gotham to a parade with a promise to give away $20 million in cash. When the citizens arrive, however, he attacks them with Smilex gas spewing from the parade floats. Batman arrives on the scene in the Batwing and uses to it remove the floats, releasing them out over the bay. He then performs a strafing run on the Joker, but misses. In retaliation the Batwing is badly damaged and crashes into the steps of Gotham Cathedral. Vicki, who was at the parade attempting to warn people, rushes to the wreckage, but is taken hostage by the Joker, who forces her to the top of the Cathedral where they will be picked up by helicopter.

Batman pursues the two, and at the top of the dusty edifice, after defeating several goons, he and the Joker confront each other in single combat. Joker is no match for Batman, and is punched over the ledge. He grabs on to both Batman and Vick, pulling them over with him. With the helicopters arrival, Joker wishes them both farewell, leaving them to fall from the old and decrepit Cathedral. As he ascends the heliopters lowered rope ladder however, Batman fires a bola attachment from this grapple gun, tying the Joker's leg to a stone gargoyle. With the helicopter pulling away, the gargoyle comes loose, pulling the Joker off the ladder to his death.

In the press conference confirming the death of the Joker and the capture of his men, Commissioner Gordon unveils the Bat-Signal along with a note from Batman read by Harvey Dent, promising to defend Gotham whenever crime strikes again.

SDCC (talk) 10:31, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

The plot section does need a little touching up, but at 840 words, this version is too long. There are parts of the current summary that are much more concise than the above but do a good job at conveying/summarizing the events of the film. Which problems in particular are you most concerned with? Maybe it would be easier to address those as separate requests. --Fru1tbat (talk) 16:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. I agree, this suggested replacement is too long. Please work with each other to trim it down to something manageable and then reactivate this request if needed. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 22:27, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Rotten tomatoes rating

The rotten tomatoes rating of the movie is 72%. Why hasn't someone changed that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.106.233.197 (talk) 16:53, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Probably because nobody noticed. In any case, it's fixed now. In the future, you can request edits like this using {{edit semi-protected}}. Thanks! --Fru1tbat (talk) 17:06, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2015

Bob the Goon's last name is Hawkins.

2602:306:2474:A949:8055:9E54:60BC:F0DB (talk) 15:10, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sam Sailor Talk! 23:27, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2016

The film stars Michael Keaton, Jack Nicholson in the title role,

should be replaced with:

The film stars Michael Keaton in the title role, Jack Nicholson,

Citation http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096895/

14.202.210.181 (talk) 12:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Done --Fru1tbat (talk) 12:54, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2016

change ((bicentennial)) to bicentennial

Can you explain why you'd like to unlink the term? It goes to a valid article which is apropos for the usage in the plot section. --Fru1tbat (talk) 15:42, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Certification

Should note that Batman was the first film to be given the BBFC 12 rating, and that this "made a big difference to the viewing patterns of younger cinemagoers."[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.226.49.237 (talk) 09:22, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2223293.stm

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2017

Under § Critical response, it reads:

Comic book fans reacted negatively over the Joker murdering Thomas and Martha Wayne, as in the comic book, Joe Chill is responsible.

This is a confusing use of the word as, implying at first read that the event transpired the same way in the comic book. Please change this to:

Comic book fans reacted negatively over the Joker murdering Thomas and Martha Wayne; in the comic book, Joe Chill is responsible. 67.14.236.50 (talk) 22:26, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Done. RivertorchFIREWATER 02:33, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Bill Finger credit in infobox

It looks like recently Bill Fingers name has been added to the created by credit and then take off in favor of the films inaccurate credit. I think it's fair to add Finger's name (maybe with an uncredited label next to it) back to the credits, since in recent years it has been publicly and officially acknowledge that Finger is the co-creator of the character. Finger is now credited along with Bob Kane in all Batman materials, so I think it's best to credit him on the page to keep a level of consistency.

I don't think it muddies the page too much to add this credit. Look at Dalton Trumbo's famous uncredited filmography on other film pages (see: Roman Holiday or The Brave One). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendly Lobotomy (talk • contribs) 16:55, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Nobody actually disputes Trumbo's credits though. He was uncredited on many films because he was blacklisted. Generally though the credits listed here at Wikipedia should reflect the official film credits. There are generally very good reasons why somebody is credited and someone isn't and it is not Wikipedia's place to re-write history. Betty Logan (talk) 20:26, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
While I see both of your points here it should be pointed out that no one disputes Finger's credit either and unlike Trumbo's Bill Finger has been retroactively added to all Batman related media as the co-creator and is given a legal claim to the character that shouldn't be marginalized. this isn;t a rewrite of history it is a clarification based on modern knowledge. Shallowgravy (talk)
The point here though is that Trumbo was blacklisted, and that was the reason he wasn't credited. There is a very clear reason why he wasn't in the film credits. As a rule the infobox should follow the actual film credits, except in exceptional cases, so it is presumptuous to add Finger to the credits as an uncredited name unless we can definitively state that is how Warner would credit the authorship today. In fact Warner seem to have gone the other way, and don't even credit Bob Kane on the Nolan films. The fact is many writers have contributed to Batman down the years and Warner's decision to not credit a "creator" seems to consciously reflect that. Betty Logan (talk) 20:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Actually Kane is credited on the Nolan films, his name follows the credit to DC Comics in each movie. If you check the posters on the Nolan Batman film pages you'll see Kane listed on each one. Kane's sole credit came from a contract he signed with DC Comics (or National Periodicals as it was known at the time) - the contract left Finger off the byline. Now in all Batman properties Finger is giving a credit. I think we should list Finger since it would be misinforming to only list Kane. It's inaccurate to only list Kane. I've added "uncredited" under Finger name, that way it notes that at the time he was uncredited for his contribution, but it should be noted that he is now known as the co-creator. I've always cited my source with Finger's credit. Friendly Lobotomy (talk) 20:53, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Not only is Finger credited with the creation of Batman in all works as of the recent legal decision but it has been retroactively applied to all media and added to new works such as Batman V Superman. It is not all too dissimilar to being black listed as he was not forgotten but barred from being listed as a creator because of trickery and lies. Shallowgravy (talk)
The infobox is a reflection of the film's opening credits (not of legal battles later). We don't add or remove people because WE think it should be a particular way, nor because of a legal decision to do so after the fact. Additionally, when films contain multiple characters that have different creators, you are typically seeing the "Based on characters in X Comics". That's because it is too many to list in the opening credits, which is also true for the infobox. They are still credited in the end credits, just not the opening credits. In the case of Bill Finger and Bob Kane, I believe at one point, Finger was not actually getting credit because they were not deemed to be an actual creator of the character (there was a legal battle over it before they finally received the credit they deserved). That doesn't dictate what we put in an infobox (EVER), because nothing will change the film in that regard. It will always say what it says. In this case, what it means for the Finger family is they get royalities from this film, but no subsequent printing of the film adds Finger's name. He just gets money for it and it is acknowledged on legal documents. They might add in an adjustment to the end credits, but they are not obligated to do anything in the main sequence, but any law. That's because they aren't obligated to even have a main sequence, not by any of the Guilds, so long as credit is given in the end credits. At the end of the day, the infobox reflects what is on the main sequence. You can document later about additional credits, though I would ague that Finger's creator status affects the character, not the film, and is thus irrelevant on this page.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:08, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
But this is just simply not true, as stated before the info box for Dalton Trumbo's work lists him despite it never being added to the film nor is there even any legal precedence to it, it is merely by want of the facts being accurate. I would also argue that movies credited to Alan Smithee directors have been changed to list uncredited directors such as Hellraiser: Bloodlines. Shallowgravy (talk)
But in other cases the infobox reflects the actual contributors not just what is displayed on the screen (see: Roman Holiday) just displaying Kane's name while an accurate portrayals of what is in the film's credits is spreading misinformation. At the very least Finger's name needs to be mentioned in the article or the page is continuing the propagation of a falsehood. Friendly Lobotomy (talk) 22:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
As I've stated before Finger is now credited in all Batman properties - go to the store and pick up a Batman comic or watch a Batman related show (like Gotham) or movie and you will now see the credit "Batman created by Bob Kane with Bill Finger" - to continue to just post Kane's name would be spreading misinformation. Once new information is present, we can no longer continue to write otherwise. All the Batman movie pages credit Kane, so it's only making sense to add the small edit of adding Finger's name. Placing an uncredited note below his name helps to illustrate to the reader that Finger's name does not appear in the credits, but it notes that he is a recognized co-creator of the Batman character. Look at the Dirty Harry page for an example. It lists the many contributor who go uncredited for the screenplay. I think this is would work in our case as well. We can list Finger, but note that at the time he was unrecognized. Friendly Lobotomy (talk) 22:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
What do you do if the credits lists an actor or producer with a typo or error, surely those typos are not held to be truth and listed here. Wikipedia articles are not meant to reflect what was directly stated in the film but factual information about the subject. This isn't about the Writer's Guild or DC Comics or being a Bob Kane fan its about putting the proper facts where they belong and Finger isn't listed here but Kane is and thats just simply a lie and falsifying information. The fact that other sources have exceptions but only this one instance is where this is true is improper. 22:53, 9 November 2017 (UTC)Shallowgravy (talk)

First, WP:VERIFIABILITY does not mean truth. Second, just because other pages do it does not mean that it should be done. There is also a difference between identifying credit for the actual work, and rewriting who was given credit for the origin of the work (e.g., Identifying an uncredited director of the film because of a blacklist that was lifted is different than wanting to change a credit for the source material because a court later decided someone else should get credit). Third, there is difference between subsequent listings and backdated listings. No one is denying Finger creative credit for Batman the character. THat's what you're not understanding. As far as THIS FILM goes, he was not listed as being given credit, thus we don't list him simply because he was retroactively given credit for the character. The same would be true if it was the reverse. If somewhere down the line, Bob Kane was found to not be suitable to get credit for Batman, that does not change THIS FILM when it comes to what is ACTUALLY LISTED. We report from historical fact, not future rewrites. Historically, Bill Finger was NOT listed as a creator on THIS FILM. Bill Finger STILL IS NOT in any subsequent printings of this film. It doesn't change the fact that he is, just states the fact that as far as THIS FILM goes, he isn't listed. You're incorrect in arguing that we are propagating some falsehoods, again because verifiability is not about truth. No one is going to come here and go, "oh my, Finger isn't listed, maybe he isn't the creator". Because they'll go the actual Batman article and see the information about how Finger's family had to sue to get his rightful credit as a creator. All of which has NOTHING to do with this film. That lawsuit wasn't in relation to this film, but the comic book character. Now, if you can show how that lawsuit somehow impacted this film in any capacity, then that is something to discuss (still not in the infobox) from an encyclopedic perspective. Otherwise, it's relevant to the Batman page, where there is discussion about ownership and creative status.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:56, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Since it seems like we're going around in circles here I've posted on the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard - feel free to post so we might be able to find some resolution. Friendly Lobotomy (talk) 23:11, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Bob Kane and Bill Finger credits in article

I understand keeping with the films actual credits in the infobox - which reflects the film's credits as they were presented on screen excluding additional and uncredited writers, etc - but I believe it's fair to add the creator's credits to the main body of the article since it is in relation to the work as a whole. Bob Kane and Bill Finger are the creators of the Batman character and the supporting characters in the film. There is nothing that states we must keep their credit as creators out of the article just because the film's credits do so. Friendly Lobotomy (talk) 04:17, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

The same principle applies to the lead as the infobox. They both reflect the film's credits. Also the lead is for the film, not the character, so it is inappropriate to put those names in the lead sentence. Do not keep putting your version in after it's been reverted. That is WP:edit warring. - Gothicfilm (talk) 04:39, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
The film's credits give credit to at least Bob Kane, so then shouldn't his name be in the lead? And if we're putting Kane's name in the lead it seems only right to credit Finger as well since he is the co-creator of the character. Maybe it could be mentioned that Finger was uncredited, but still, a creator is mentioned in the film's credits.Friendly Lobotomy (talk) 04:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Only so much can go in the lead, and character creators do not come before the filmmakers on a WP film page. I would agree with Finger being mentioned as an uncredited creator in the article's Development section. - Gothicfilm (talk) 05:01, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Ok. I added a reference to Finger's uncredited contribution to the Development section after a mention of Kane's work on the film as a consultant. Might tweek the wording and add additional reference to Finger's absence due to legal agreements with DC Comics.Friendly Lobotomy (talk) 22:42, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request (minor misspelling in Plot)

"Bruce reveals he cannot focus on their relationship with Joker on the lose," should be changed to, "Bruce reveals he cannot focus on their relationship with Joker on the loose," Moose Hole (talk) 21:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Done! Thanks for finding this. --Fru1tbat (talk) 21:33, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Edit semi-protected

Add Edwin Craig as Antoine Rotelli in cast. Cmuñozbcn (talk) 18:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Edit semi-protected: Boots

Please add this link as a reference after the sentence about Nike product placement: https://www.criticalhit.net/entertainment/batman-1989-thirty-years-later-how-the-batsuit-was-designed-to-be-iconic-intense-and-mythical/

This reference includes detailed explanation about the costume but most importantly it includes a picture of the bat boots. (The other source is apparently a "Making of" feature from the home video which is a lot more difficult for people to get access to, so adding second source seems like a good idea.) -- 109.77.200.76 (talk) 00:55, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done, but with a different link with more in-depth about the shoes. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:34, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit semi-protected

At the end of the first plot paragraph, "He infatuates with Vale at the event" should be "He is infatuated with Vale at the event" 2601:643:8980:A70:BC13:FD3E:C738:F7D5 (talk) 18:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2021

add that the film is based on batman by BILL FINGER and bob kane, everyone should know by now that he didnt create batman all by himself 2600:6C51:7C7E:F5D3:AD66:36A2:B186:3F9B (talk) 05:45, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I took at look at this, and in the infobox there's a hidden comment stating "Credit in the film: "Based on Batman characters created by Bob Kane". Do not add any other names. The infobox should reflect the film's official credits." It is noted elsewhere in the article that Bill Finger helped create this. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:21, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

the "Joker kills Vicki" supposed "original ending"

"Originally in the climax, the Joker was to kill Vicki Vale, sending Batman into a vengeful fury..." this whole paragraph comes word for word from a book called Blockbuster by UK critic Tom Shone (not Stone), which I guess was the basis for the (not linked) Telegraph article. I own that book and he doesn't seem to have a source for that claimed ending. However you can see online that the pre-Burton Sam Hamm script drafts all end with a showdown on the Cathedral roof - in which a flock of bats cause Joker to stumble and fall, rather than a gargoyle tied to his foot. So an ending on the Cathedral roof must have always been considered. The "I had to tell him I didn't know" interview seems to refer to the general studio re-writes, but the existence of a specific "joker kills Vicki" ending seems totally anecdotal and must have only existed briefly if ever. Google shows that many people online claim it was the "original ending" but can't seem to find a source. (article here behind paywall- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/3624669/How-Hollywood-had-the-last-laugh.html) 188.29.36.19 (talk) 19:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)(will)

"How Hollywood had the last laugh". The Telegraph. 28 September 2004. Archived from the original on 2021-03-02.</ref> Telegraph articles can be read using an Archive URL, unfortunately I haven't yet been able to save the second page. -- 109.76.202.85 (talk) 15:56, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

"Period piece"

Not only is the film a "period piece" in that, just like its influence Brazil, it largely references and emulates the 1930s and 1940s (a trait which makes both Burton Batmans, also like Brazil, an important early piece of Dieselpunk), as mentioned by the article already. The article could also mention the fact that in the new 4K release, the newspaper which declares that "Batman cracks Joker's poison code" places the film pretty much in c. a 1947/48 timeframe. While there's no definite year printed (only a date of "Friday, November 7" is given), in the new 4K release, we can see that the paper's other articles mention that Harry S. Truman is president and that Ferenc Nagy has just recently been ousted as Prime Minister of Hungary. --2003:EF:170E:7F68:CD77:D34E:E7E2:576D (talk) 07:38, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I've looked it up, and the only year when Truman was president that had November 7 be a Friday was 1947. On the cover, the newspaper also mentions the retirement of Frank Hague as Mayor of Jersey City, New Jersey after 30 years, which also happened in 1947. --2003:EF:170E:7F44:CD77:D34E:E7E2:576D (talk) 19:16, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Restore image

Please revert this image delete by the bot[2] which is strictly enforcing standards. Strictly speaking a fair use rationale must be added every time the image is used, so I added it[3] and it should now be acceptable to revert the delete. -- 109.79.172.210 (talk) 18:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2022

I wish to correct the accurate movie facts for the 1989 movie Batman because all of its details are wrong. 2600:1700:8780:4600:9964:ECBB:5156:DE8D (talk) 03:25, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 04:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Inaccurate Budget

“The budget escalated from $30 million to $48 million, while the 1988 Writers Guild of America strike forced Hamm to drop out. Warren Skaaren did rewrites.” That quote is directly from this page. Why does it say $48 million in the article, but in the info-box it says $35 million? Cool879 (talk) 04:39, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Some editors have an overconfidence in the reliability of Box Office Mojo and some other editors seem to object to having more than one budget figure listed in the Infobox and persistently delete secondary figures without any explanation. I too sometimes update the Infobox without also checking the article body to make sure everything matches. These kinds of mistakes happen too often with film articles.
It seems that in 2016 an editor changed the budget from $48 million to $35 million[4] and shortly after User:TropicAces added Box Office Mojo as the supporting reference.[5]
The article text explains that the budget started at $30 million but increased to $48 million. Template:Infobox film says not to cherry pick budget figures, so unless there is a consensus to do otherwise (and perhaps only list the higher figure) the budget range $30-48 million should be listed in the Infobox. I found a New York Times article from early 1989 which put the budget at $30 million[6](A) and an article from June 1989 [7](A) which quotes producer Jon Peters saying it cost $40 million. (And we still have the book reference that reportedly said it started at $30 and went up to $48).
Please also note the AFI catalog discuses other costs such as Prints and Advertising (P&A)[8] which a good quality article should explain but it is not the same thing as and should be treated separately from the production budget. Anyone interested in trying to improve this article would benefit from taking a good long look at the AFI catalog entry for this film. -- 109.76.202.85 (talk) 15:56, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
I’m all for listing the budget range. Box Office Mojo is a decent source, although they tend to stick to the number studio’s report regardless. TropicAces (talk) 17:44, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
I see TropicAces updated the Infobox and that is good, but it now lists the budget as "$35–48 million" as opposed matching the lead of the article (and the Filming section) which says "escalated from $30 million to $48" and someone is definitely going to find that mismatch confusing. I repeat my previous suggestion and say I think it would be clearer and simpler if the Infobox matched the rest of the article and said (thirty, three-zero) "$30–48 million", instead of (thirty-five) "$35-48 million".
The headline number in the Infobox is one thing but also I think it would be good if the Filming section of the article explained a little more, such as including the statement from producer Jon Peters that the budget was $40 while still mentioning that other estimates (the book "Hit & Run") put it even higher. -- 109.76.211.174 (talk) 03:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Again Template:Infobox film says not to cherry pick budget figures. Despite earlier comments "I’m all for listing the budget range." User Tropic Aces does not seem to think that it is cherry-picking when they remove budget figures from the Infobox.[9] This is not the first time either.[10] The recommendation is clear, keep both figures. Please revert the edit by TropicAces and restore the budget range to the Infobox[[11] the burden should be to establish local consensus before ignoring what the documentation recommends. -- 109.78.199.198 (talk) 03:48, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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