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New article[edit]

It appeared that the deleted article was about the camgirl website, not the term "camgirl". Since multiple pages have redlinked "camgirl", I thought it was best to have the article discuss the term and not the website. -- kainaw 05:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

If it's just a definition of the term, would it be better suited to Wiktionary instead though? Raine (talk) 14:08, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Can a redirect go directly to Wiktionary? -- kainaw 00:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Resources[edit]

Resources to improve the article on google books > [1] Willy turner (talk) 18:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. The following is a published article that I wrote. I'll let others decide it if is worth using as a reference: [2] -- kainaw 19:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

I am proposing to merge camgirl and camwhore as camwhore is a derogatory term and it is difficult if not impossible to write a NPOV. article.My full reasons are:

  1. It does not meet wikipedia's guidelines of a NPOV and it is hard to see how it could as it is a derogatory term.
  2. The term is not widely used Google gives 192000 returns compared to 1.8 million for camgirl - about 1%
  3. It would be much better having a sexual and non-sexual content section under camgirl.

Pornhistorian (talk) 09:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

  YesY Merger complete. --DarkCrowCaw 16:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Justin Berry; possible NPOV issue?[edit]

> He eventually started his own paysite, was molested for money,

He prostituted himself, knowingly, and went running to the police to secure immunity the second his cunning ruse was up. Molested implies that he was unwilling or unknowing, this kid was a pimp who sold other children and ran--what could be without exageration called--an empire of child pornography. I certainly couldn't see someone with as much forethought to manage such a corporate venture in a vile trade such as child prostitution as being an innocent victim of circumstance.

I understand that critics of my point of view would argue that this draws into question whether someone under legal age can consent, et cetera, but it's been long fought over in the courts and is now quite commonly accepted that those below legal age who 'lack the mental faculty to understand the implications of their actions' sexually most certainly seem to have the mental faculty to conduct illicit, illegal, and nefariously criminal acts. Whilst it appears for consent it errs on the side of caution, for criminality it errs on the side of guilty until proven innocent.

But I do ask that for the sake of neutrality in this instance we call a spade a spade, this kid was a child prostitute and a pimp, he wasn't a victim, if anything it could be argued the kids he operated his pedo ring with were HIS victims, so 'molested' has too weak an implication along with it.

Could we please get some discussion going on this so we can reflect the reality and gravity of his crimes--regardless of his immunity from prosecution--that he has cashed in on through the media at large? I know it's a morally and ethical mine field, and I understand that there will be a lot of hot headed folks screaming to the heavens that a child cannot prostitute themselves, or consent, et cetera, but as I said, the courts have thoroughly gone over such matters in every civilized nation, and the cold hard facts are that this kid wasn't molested, but whored himself and other children out for a buck, and we really must push on regardless of moral or ad hominem criticism saying so draws and stick with the facts.

tl;dr: creepy child pimp runs porn empire, gets absolved of criminality by nanny staters saying he was a molestation victim and not a prostitute, you decide BaSH PR0MPT (talk) 02:37, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Adult webcam sites: resolution[edit]

The resulution used at webcam sites is no more than 640x480, sometimes even just 320x240.[1] 2A02:A03F:1285:C600:213:20FF:FE3B:A79E (talk) 17:06, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ camgirlwiki.com/wiki/Best_webcams

Revert[edit]

Can the following revert be undone: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Camgirl&oldid=648483351

I don't see the issue why the text added was deleted. Having a list of websites allows people to compare the sites (similar to as "comparison of" website) and pick the best one (least controversial, ...). It isn't/can't be seen as spam as we don't promote a particular site, but mention a lot of sites instead, hence promoting objective comparison and keep competition between sites up (which is a democratic approach).

2A02:A03F:1285:C600:213:20FF:FE3B:A79E (talk) 14:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments - afaik, the edit seems to be WP:SPAM (and/or WP:ADMASQ & related) imo - and, as such, not appropriate for Wikipedia - the views of other editors are welcome of course - in any case - Thanks again for your comments - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 15:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
even after reading the WP: pages I still don't see why it's spam; I'm not affiliated with any of these sites nor do I want to "promote" them. My main motivation was to list the sites as webcam sex is a good alternative for actual prostitutes (more secure payment/less risk of violence, no transmission of sexually transmittable diseases, ...) and also benefit the population as a whole (no transmission of sexually transmittable diseases). So, listing them and informing prostitutes of them this way is only the right thing to do.2A02:A03F:1285:C600:213:20FF:FE3B:A79E (talk) 16:50, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Let's wait for other Editors to comment - in order to reach a WP:CONSENSUS - to me atm, you seem to be WP:Promoting / WP:Spamming the view - which is also not appropriate on Wikipedia - per - WP:NOTSOAPBOX and/or WP:NOTAFORUM - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:17, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

It's definitely spam. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not soapbox for someone wanting to "benefit the population as a whole" by promoting certain websites. In addition, our IP hopping-spammer thinks several other Wikipedia rules don't apply to him; see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Forged signature, editing other people's comments for details. (Note to IP user: you are invited to go to WP:ANI and explain your behavior before you get blocked). --Guy Macon (talk) 19:44, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
That is very odd, and extremely conspicuous, behavior. Regardless, the sources for the list of websites are not reliable. It looks like at least afew of the listed sites have articles of their own (MyFreeCams.com, LiveJasmin, and probably others). How many of these articles would survive WP:AFD? Probably not all of them, but having an article seems like a legitimate starting point for listing sites. The value to this article is debatable, though, and it's a major hassle to maintaining such a spam-attracting section. Ideally that wouldn't be a factor, but this article already gets enough spam as it is. Grayfell (talk) 21:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 29 August 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. It appears we have consensus that the proposed title is preferable. This should not preclude another move discussion if a better title is identified. Cúchullain t/c 13:43, 14 September 2015 (UTC)



CamgirlWebcam model – Those working in this occupation are more commonly referred to as "webcam models" than "camgirls" (see amount of Google search results for each name). "Webcam model" is also gender-neutral, unlike "camgirl", since women aren't the only ones who do this job. Also, the only people who can legally work as webcam models are adults, and it does not seem very encyclopedic to me to be calling adult women "girls". Rebecca1990 (talk) 17:36, 29 August 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 16:42, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Yes, I think I support this for that reason. And recall the second name alot more than the first. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Oppose - let's be honest, acts are often more than just modeling. Would support a move to Cam performer or similar though. Deku-shrub (talk) 17:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Support - whilst I think webcam model won't necessarily be the final name, it's an improvement Deku-shrub (talk) 10:31, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Comment But then the solution would be to cancel this move request and open a new one with some actual proposed name, not to use a less-accurate term as a steppingstone away from the existing term simply because the existing term is considered problematic. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 17:38, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
I was thinking ahead too much about what the scope of the article could be rather than what it is. Since I can't be bothered to greatly expand the article the right now to include extended definitions it'll do for now. It's not like we're burning e-trees here. Deku-shrub (talk) 18:16, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Deku - Camgirls do more than just model, Personally I think Cam Performer could perhaps be confusing. –Davey2010Talk 22:05, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Webcam performer perhaps better? Deku-shrub (talk) 22:26, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
That's bloody perfect! :) –Davey2010Talk 22:31, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Comment But aren't you simply coining this term? This seems akin to inventing the term "movie performer" as a substitute for "actor"; it seems to be a description rather than an actual term in use. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 17:34, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
In the media industry, the generic term 'performer' is in fact used when encompassing actors, actresses, dancers, presenters and stunt actors. Deku-shrub (talk) 18:17, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Comment What a flawed oppose argument. Pornographic film actors do more than just act, but we still call them actors. This isn't a semantics argument. The issue here is that this occupation's WP:COMMONNAME isn't "camgirl", much less "webcam performer", it's "webcam model". Rebecca1990 (talk) 06:34, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Webcam model doesn't appear to be a common term. Another reason I pick 'performer', as it's the catch-all term in the entertainment industry encompassing actors, actresses, presenters, stunt performers and comedians (though not models). All are performers but few would describe themselves as such if asked directly. Still, I'm not 100% on performer because you have the issue of voyeuristic (or pseudo-voyeuristic), and POV cameras where the focus could shift the camera itself. How about Camming or Internet camming for the broader term? (yes, I'd write up the stuff mentioned) Deku-shrub (talk) 22:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Well, "porn star" is a more common term than "pornographic film actor", doesn't mean pornographic film actor should be renamed to "porn star". Calling people in that occupation a "star" is a violation of WP:Neutral point of view and calling them an "adult film actor" or "adult film performer" is a violation of WP:EUPHEMISM. In this case "camgirl" is 1. not gender-neutral, excluding males and people who are transgender or genderqueer, 2. calling adult women "girls" is slang, not proper English, therefore we should avoid using that term in that context on an encyclopedia, 3. the article claims that males in this occupation are called "camboys", which, aside from being as inappropriate as "camgirl" for the same reasons, is not as commonly used as "webcam model". Also, not a single one of the alternatives you have suggested (cam performer, webcam performer, and internet camming) is as commonly used as "webcam model". Rebecca1990 (talk) 10:17, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Because my objection was too hypothetical I'm going to support the move for now. I think my comments have merits for a possibly future though, but it's too soon for that. Deku-shrub (talk) 10:31, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Image for the article[edit]

Ophelia Marcus is a camgirl better known as LittleRedBunny. She is also known as The Queen of Cam Girls according to a profile done by The Daily Beast.
Ophelia Marcus is a camgirl better known as LittleRedBunny. She is also known as The Queen of Cam Girls according to a profile done by The Daily Beast.

How about this image for the article? What does everyone think? 2601:46:C801:5300:75FB:2FB9:E850:3B65 (talk) 15:51, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the benefit is. Does it's informational value justify adding promotion for Ophelia Marcus? The award statuette seems confusing, as well, and the bit about being "Queen" is totally excessive. A caption like "Ophelia Marcus, known as LittleRedBunny, is a notable camgirl" would be more than sufficient here. Grayfell (talk) 21:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
As for the award, she's winning an award for her camgirl work. How about this lower image?
Ophelia Marcus, known as LittleRedBunny, is a notable camgirl.
Ophelia Marcus, known as LittleRedBunny, is a notable camgirl.