Talk:Chet Faker

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Possibly undo move?

See the lead sentence. If he's "better known by his former name Chet Faker, which is absolutely true given he only has two songs under this new moniker and five years' worth of music under his previous, than what is anyone doing moving the page just yet? WP:COMMONNAME anyone? Cat Stevens didn't get moved to Yusuf Islam just because Cat decided to change what he's known as.

Until Murphy is best known as Murphy, I'd much prefer the Wikipedia page stay at Chet Faker. Gibbsy^spin 13:12, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I can see why someone who didn't know WP:COMMONNAME would name the article Nick Murphy, though.

Given these sources from Google Trends^[1]^[2]^[3] I think we can all agree that Chet Faker is the more common moniker.

I'm going to move the article to Chet Faker under WP:COMMONNAME and add a redirect from Nick Murphy to Chet Faker. Omillas (talk) 20:14, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Given that he's retired the stage name, does it make sense to move the article back to Nick Murphy? CrocodilesAreForWimps (talk) 02:48, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seems pretty straightforward that page should move to Nick Murphy. Any reason this hasn't been picked up yet? Fixer23 (talk) 23:59, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would have agreed but now that he's revived the Chet Faker project I think it would probably make sense to keep the name for now? Hundopundo (talk) 21:48, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 23 September 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Andrewa (talk) 07:36, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chet Faker → Nick Murphy fka Chet Faker – The artist changed his recording name in 2016, as referenced in the article, and has been recording and performing for 3 years as Nick Murphy. All of the artist's social media styles the name as Nick Murphy or Nick Murphy fka Chet Faker, and streaming services list the artist's recording name as, e.g., "Nick Murphy / Chet Faker" (Spotify) BelisariusCawl (talk) 02:08, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:44, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@BelisariusCawl: Best check the source of this new name "Nick Murphy fka Chet Faker". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:45, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Anthony Appleyard: "Nick Murphy fka Chet Faker" is how it appears on his Facebook Page.
Keep Artist is still most commonly known as Chet Faker, and WP:COMMMONNAME still applies. The analogy with Cat Stevens (referred to above) is apt. Faker may well have decided to perform and release new material under his birth name, but WP is run for the convenience of typical users. In what way is the cumbersome proposed new title Nick Murphy fka Chet Faker an improvement in natural language over Chet Faker? Does a typical user type all that in when looking for info on this artist?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:13, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nick Murphy fka Chet Faker is just not a Wikipedia article title. And Chet Faker still appears to be his common name in any case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:46, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
See current Google Trends search volumes for Nick Murphy vs Chet Faker here. Nick Murphy appears to have overtaken Chet Faker as a search topic since the name change, which was 3 years ago. Nick Murphy fka Chet Faker may not be an appropriate title, but changing page location to Nick Murphy seems reasonable. The Cat Stevens analogy doesn't really apply here, as Stevens recorded the bulk of his most popular and best-known work under that name, whereas Murphy has retired a name fairly early in his career — Preceding unsigned comment added by BelisariusCawl (talk • contribs) 15:26, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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You appear to be arguing for a move to Nick Murphy, now. Does that mean you no longer want Nick Murphy fka Chet Faker?
How do you know that a Gsearch for "Nick Murphy" is by people looking for this artist. Nick Murphy could well be any number of people at Nick Murphy (disambiguation) or some other person of that name. The search strings aren't comparable. Not many other people are called "Chet Faker".
1. See also this Google trends comparison.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cat Stevens does apply here in that Chet Faker recorded and released his most popular work under that name including two top 10 singles and a number-one album on the Australian charts. Compare this with releases as Nick Murphy, where he has one single, which barely made the top 100 and an album, which did not.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:19, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, correct, I think others' concerns about the clunkiness of the title were warranted. Just moving the page to Nick Murphy is probably better BelisariusCawl (talk) 15:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the google trends search I linked to, it specifically uses "Nick Murphy (Australian Singer/Songwriter)" rather than the general search string "Nick Murphy" BelisariusCawl (talk) 15:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cat Stevens changed his name and abandoned music for 20 years, leaving his previous identity as Cat Stevens the musician behind. Nick Murphy has changed the name he records under in the middle of his career BelisariusCawl (talk) 15:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: In that case you need to close this move request, immediately.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:57, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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