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Requested move 16 February 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved for the first. However, there was no consensus to carry out the second move here – the arguments that it would completely change the scope of the article were strong ones. No prejudice against a new RM that focuses on that issue specifically. Jenks24 (talk) 07:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

– Follow the move of Talk:List of political parties in China#Requested move 7 February 2017 and WP:COMMONNAME. Like other countries, the "List of political parties of xxx" articles focus on the current active political parties, not the historical ones. The historical paragraphs should be relocated to the history-focusing articles here. Fizikanauk (talk) 05:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question Why are these two move requests grouped together? They appear to be done on different arguments. CMD (talk) 05:26, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, there are some history paragraphs in present List of political parties in the Republic of China. I propose to move them here and so that the article fits the WP:COMMONNAME to use Taiwan.Fizikanauk (talk) 05:40, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This doesn't capture the nuance. Firstly ROC =/= Taiwan (And other than the English Wikipedia, every other Wikipedia maintains this distinction. A similar distinction is maintained for Palestine (region) and State of Palestine). The "List of political parties in Taiwan" =/= "List of political parties in ROC". Taiwanese People's Party and Taiwanese Communist Party for example were political parties in Taiwan, but not in ROC. (Note, although List of political parties in Taiwan redirects here, my opinion is that it should have its own article listing the historical political parties and also linking to this article for present day politics. The content would need to be carefully looked at though to prevent too much duplication.)

Chinese political parties provided a useful overview of the parties which claim to be representing China. KMT for example, although now restricted to Taiwan, still claims to be a Chinese political party. I don't see a need to move it to History of political parties in China. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:43, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support the first move as the article does not really cover China or Taiwan post-1949. Support the second move to match other articles dealing with post-1949 ROC/Taiwan. — AjaxSmack 02:22, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support both per User:AjaxSmack, per China and per Taiwan. Really those are the articles where the naming issue should be settled rather than endlessly on individual subordinate articles. Timrollpickering 16:19, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure whether you have actually looked at the scope of the article. This is not a naming issue, ROC and Taiwan are different. The article's scope is political parties in the ROC. For example Progressive Party (China) was a political party in the ROC - but it was never a political party in Taiwan. On the other hand Taiwanese People's Party was a political party in Taiwan, but not in the ROC. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:58, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support first move. Very accurate as it lists past and present political parties in the China region. However, oppose the second move as the article lists a history of ROC parties in pre-1949 China and post-1949 Taiwan. Also, "consistency" is not the sole reason for the move. George Ho (talk) 05:22, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Chinese political parties → History of political parties in China to make the title more precise. Strong oppose List of political parties in the Republic of China → List of political parties in Taiwan unless the article is split per arguments above about the coverage of 1912-1949 history in that article. Deryck C. 11:50, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support both moves due to the clarification of associated content changes given by Fizikanauk, along the lines noted by Deryck. The pre-1949 and post-Martial Law situations are very different topics, and should be covered separately. The forcing them together under the article title is in this case actually a hindrance. CMD (talk) 03:35, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis: I am not sure if moving (renaming) the second article is a viable solution as it essentially changes the entire scope. I gave example of parties which were in Taiwan but not in ROC and conversely of parties in ROC but not in Taiwan. I personally favour keeping the scope of this article as it is. Rather I would prefer moving the content of post 1949 ROC (the entire list of present day parties) to "List of political parties in Taiwan" (preferably under a section "Taiwan post 1949"). As for List of political parties in the Republic of China, we can create a section named "Post 1949 ROC on Taiwan" and simply link to the relevant section on "List of political parties in Taiwan". --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:40, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article scope should be changed. Whether that's by moving this article and shifting the history, or moving the modern parties to a new "List of political parties in Taiwan", it comes to the same thing. I dislike the idea of the article titled List of political parties in the Republic of China being primarily a pre-1949 article though, because I feel the primary topic of that name is still going to be the modern day, as the formal state name remains Republic of China. CMD (talk) 06:48, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion invite

Hello. I invite you to join a centralized discussion about naming issues related to China and Taiwan. Szqecs (talk) 14:25, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]