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A fact from Chris Smalls appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 April 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Amazon Labor Union founder Chris Smalls (pictured) was one of the leaders in the first successful effort to unionize Amazon warehouse workers in the United States?

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 01:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Chris Smalls, April 2022.

~~... that Chris Smalls founded the Amazon Labor Union in 2021, and thousands of Amazon warehouse workers are voting to unionize?~~ Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/01/26/amazon-union-staten-island/
- Reviewed: NA

Converted from a redirect by SquareInARoundHole (talk). Self-nominated at 18:56, 24 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

I had a draft going for him at Draft:Christian Smalls. Was thinking this would be hooky:

ALT1: ... that Jeff Bezos attended a meeting where Amazon’s general counsel presented a plan to smear Amazon Labor Union founder Chris Smalls as “not smart or articulate”? Thriley (talk) 07:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley: That hook highlights Jeff Bezos and racism against Smalls, rather than the work he is doing. SquareInARoundHole (talk) 16:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be good to detail the deliberate efforts Amazon has taken to stop his effort. They have gone pretty low. Thriley (talk) 17:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley: It is in the article. You might want to look that over and make some edits there if you feel it's not adequately highlighted. SquareInARoundHole (talk) 19:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure if ALT1 would fly. ALT1 sounds like a BLP violation to me (especially with the "smear" wording), and DYK guidelines discourage highlighting negative aspects about living people. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:36, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn’t make the alt to disparage Smalls. I thought a hook detailing one of the many things Amazon has done in order to stop him might be more interesting than just a simple fact about his organizing work. Thriley (talk) 02:20, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to Bezos in my comment and not Smalls. Regardless of our thoughts on Bezos, having a hook like that about him seems to unduly portray him in a negative light. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:30, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that Chris Smalls, who founded the Amazon Labor Union in 2021, was once a rapper and briefly toured with Meek Mill? Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/01/26/amazon-union-staten-island/https://wwd.com/business-news/business-features/amazon-chris-smalls-workers-group-1203631429/

Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:29, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Approve Alt 2 --evrik ^(talk) 04:28, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik: can you consider this one?

ALT3 ~~... that Chris Smalls founded the Amazon Labor Union in 2021, and is currently leading an effort to unionize an Amazon warehouse on Staten Island?~~

I think it would be better to focus on his actual work and not a minor fact about him, which feels like it’s minimizing him. Thriley (talk) 04:43, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@SquareInARoundHole: what do you think about ALT3? Thriley (talk) 04:46, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not thrilled with Alt3.--evrik ^(talk) 14:13, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT4 ~~... that activist Chris Smalls is leading an effort to unionize Amazon warehouse workers?~~

What about this Alt4?--evrik ^(talk) 14:13, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't care for ALT4, since his founding of the labor union is probably is largest accomplishment, and would love it to contain both.

Also, disagree ALT2 was minimizing. Founding the labor union and a fun fact about his history is quite hooky without minimizing the work he's doing.

ALT5: ~~... that Amazon Labor Union founder Chris Smalls is one of the leaders in an effort to unionize Amazon warehouse workers?~~

SquareInARoundHole (talk) 18:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe someone can help with the hooks? --evrik ^(talk) 14:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Staten Island warehouse voted to unionize. Here’s a hook that reflects that:

ALT6: ... that Amazon Labor Union founder Chris Smalls was one of the leaders in the first successful effort to unionize Amazon warehouse workers? Source: The New York Times Thriley (talk) 18:45, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Approve Alt 2 and Alt 6. --evrik ^(talk) 20:28, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note that I added some photos I took of Smalls today to Commons: commons:Category:Chris Smalls if we have space for a photo with this hook. Legoktm (talk) 20:07, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Love the addition of the photo. SquareInARoundHole (talk) 20:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I second that. Really great work. Thriley (talk) 20:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@SquareInARoundHole: What do you think about ALT6? I think it is important for the vote to be mentioned. Thriley (talk) 20:51, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley: I like ALT6. Let's go with that one considering the day they've had today. SquareInARoundHole (talk) 20:53, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Making two notes here. First, I am approving the image for the main page as it is freely licenced, used in the article and of high-enough quality for main page. Second, when checking the source for ALT6, I noticed that the NYT source continuously says that this is the first union of Amazon workers in the United States. ALT6 doesn't mention the United States, so the hook might not be accurate, as there might be Amazon unions in other countries. I suggest the following ALT below:

ALT6A: that Amazon Labor Union founder Chris Smalls was one of the leaders in the first successful effort to unionize Amazon warehouse workers in the United States?

@Evrik, SquareInARoundHole, and Thriley: thoughts on ALT6A? Evrik, could you re-add a green tick if everything works for you, so that promoters know that this is ready? Thanks everyone. Z1720 (talk) 16:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. Thanks for the hook. Thriley (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Approve 6a. --evrik ^(talk) 22:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Approve 6a. --SquareInARoundHole (talk) 01:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Promoter's comment to @SquareInARoundHole: hi there! note that as a nominator, you probably shouldn't be approving hooks; it's best to leave that to an independent reviewer. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT6a to T:DYK/P3