Talk:Concerns and controversies at the 2022 Winter Olympics

This article is a mess

There are two sections which say "Effects of the Covid 19 pandemic".49.178.101.144 (talk) 03:42, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Corrected. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 12:49, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Diplomatic boycott map

The map shows Japan as one of the countries boycotting the event while not highlighting Taiwan 87.208.143.97 (talk) 01:52, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Its an old map, from December of last year. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 02:06, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Speed Skating

Should we add the controversy about the potential rigging of the speed skating finals? Wolf O'Donnel (talk) 06:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I dont know the exact details, care to drop the link? Thanks. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 18:39, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

https://news.yahoo.com/athletes-accusing-olympic-refs-bias-014109737.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr Wolf O'Donnel (talk) 23:19, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Max Parrot controversy

The controversy is that Max shouldn't had gotten the Gold medal. That was the main controversy yet keeps being removed. It's not even undue weight to put in the most important part of the story. Jungkook1996 (talk) 01:02, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Kosovo footnote

It's extremely important to note that China doesn't recognize Kosovo as an independent country. Kosovo's diplomatic delegation wasn't invited in the first place. You can't boycott the event you're not invited! Many non-countries participate in the Olympics, such as Hong Kong. Kosovo itself agreed to be represented with the footnote in the international arena.

Kosovo: obvious thoughts on the footnote

The agreement between Kosovo and Belgrade, reached through EU mediation, enables Kosovo to be represented at regional summits and sign commercial agreements with third countries. At one condition, though: the country's name must be marked by an asterisk linking it to a footnote. The meaning of which is explained to us by Andrea Lorenzo Capussela's

https://www.balcanicaucaso.org/eng/Areas/Kosovo/Kosovo-obvious-thoughts-on-the-footnote-113646

Here on wikipedia, we go by the word of WP:RS, not through whether or not a country is recognised. In a similar manner, Taiwan's boycott is also registered as a country, which china does not recognise either. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 13:10, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't seem due, if the argument is that we should have a footnote because Kosovo agreed to have a footnote in regional summits etc that might just be the stupidest argument I've seen this month. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:26, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Not just in regional summits, but in any international summits. What is more idiotic is to claim that the one who isn't invited can boycott the event that's not invited to. That's the stupidest thing in centuries. BobNesh (talk) 01:19, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I see a RS calling it a Diplomatic boycott. You will have to countersource your WP:RS to show why they should outweigh the current version. Claims without sources are WP:OR.Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an international summit. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:09, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Xoltered: @Jungkook1996: @Sportsfan 1234:

Besides, surely it is IOC recognition, rather than host-country recognition that decides who is invited. If this were not the case different partially-recognised states would be taking part in each Olympics depending on the political leanings of the host.Pincrete (talk) 10:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Figure Skating Team Event’s Victory Ceremony Delay

Russian female figure skating Kamilla Valieva was tested positive after winning gold in the Team Event. 89.151.187.223 (talk) 22:17, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Which category should it be filed under: Team ROC or Sporting Controversies? Fio D.Jin (talk) 10:35, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

This mess continued throughout the figure skating events.Wolf O'Donnel (talk) 08:49, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources for men's 5000m

It's concerning when one editor keeps using tabloid community newspaper sources to insist that a replay shows no false start and all a conspiracy. If such info was even true, then major news channels will be raving about such a controversial event and won't shut up about it. Currently I see zero major news channels saying that and probably because it's not that true. Also false starts isn't even crossing the starting line before the gun shot. It's simply "moving" before the gunshot and these things are auto detected by reliable sensors. Even the skater himself says it's not an excuse and makes no difference. Jungkook1996 (talk) 02:01, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Relevance of the censorship section?

I support calling Chinese censorship where appropriate, but right now this article's section on censorship doesn't seem to be related to the Olympics at all, it is just a summary of the generic 'China has censorship' problem. This section needs to discuss what Olympic-related content has been censored, or similar, or otherwise be removed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:56, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Look at the part for censorship in the compulsory app, the first para is the intro. Removing the notice, AGF that you didnt read past the generic material. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 17:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I think the section is relevant, the only bit unrelated to the Olympics is "In recent years, censorship has been significantly stepped up. The government has banned, for example, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and, since 2019, Wikipedia." which I do actually agree should be cut or more clearly described as background. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:18, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Ordering structure is Nonexistent

In the 'Sporting controversies' section. The ordering structure is just non-existent and a hot mess. The incidents are neither in order alphabetically or time chronologically. There needs to be some kind of order, and also time dates for each incident would be good too. Jungkook1996 (talk) 00:28, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Could you post your proposed order here? Would be a lot easier. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 05:06, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Since there are like only 9 events being mentioned. I think just leave it as it is. I was worried before that there would be eventually like ammased to 35 events mentioned in that chapter and with so many events being messy and all over the place. But that's not the case it seems now. It's good enough. :) Jungkook1996 (talk) 04:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Resolved

Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 07:44, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

The athletes seem divided on whether food was good or bad

Currently the article makes a sweeping claim as if all athletes (not some) generally hated the food, the Covid safety measures and the experience. But those complaints were from individuals and not every Athlete. Seems like an unbelievable pov since I just watched a few articles and videos about Athletes video recording and talking about how good the food is, showing the range including hot pot and avocado ice-cream. As well as seeing some athletes raving about their comfortable zero gravity beds or warmth of volunteers. It seems very clear not all athlete had complained about the food, or their general experiences. Did all athletes hate the food and their experience? If not, then it's really unbalanced to make a sweeping impression as if all athletes hated the food and their experience there. I have read athletes rave about their favorites food experiences that they cannot get enough of. — Yet later read this article and it makes it seem like there was Very little to eat over there for every athlete, and or nobody enjoyed the food. The athletes were divided on this. Some hated and some loved. But they definitely didn't (all) hate the food and experience as this article seems to narrowly portray.

Jungkook1996 (talk) 04:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

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