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map

I note that a need for a map has been identified - can this be used or adapted? http://www.bahn.co.uk/db_uk/view/us/db_network.shtml --62.6.252.139 (talk) 18:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's a nice map - but only shows inter-city lines.. Also the bottom of the page has the dreaded copyright symbol.Carrolljon (talk) 17:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article is more to do with DB as a company. Rail transport in Germany has a course map of the entire passenger network (see right). The DB site also has detailed maps of every Land showing all stations (outside S-Bahn networks), equally copyright. TiffaF (talk) 10:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History section

I'm a little concerned that the entire "history" section seems to be pratically a copy-edit from the page it references.Carrolljon (talk) 17:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

agreed - and it needs cleanup. Simonalexander2005

I'm honestly really busy at the moment - should it be tagged with copyvio or is that too harsh.Carrolljon (talk) 22:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Die Bahn

Have DB now given up with the "Die Bahn" rebranding exercise that was happening? —Sladen (talk) 23:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't remember that one - they seem to be constantly rebranding and re-organising - quicker than the articles can be written.

There's a "DB Bahn" brand for passenger transport. that means "Deutsche Bahn Bahn"?

FengRail (talk) 22:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think Die Bahn was just an advertising slogan that Deutsche Bahn AG used perhaps to get across that the name had changes from Deutsche Bundesbahn/Deutsche Reichsbahn. It was never a company name.

In December 2007 DB split their operation into 3 business areas: DB Bahn is the passenger service area; DB Schenker the transport and logistics area and DB Netze the infrastructure and services area. See [1] --Bermicourt (talk) 23:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy paste

The history is clearly copypaste from the DB website, some parts have had minor changes. I can't fix things instantly so I've left a tag.FengRail (talk) 22:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem removed

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DB's 'problems'

I have twice reverted the addition of a section called 'The many Problems of the Deutsche Bahn' because it did not seem to be up to the standard required of Wikipedia. There were some sweeping statements of criticism which need to be recast from a neutral perspective and supported by credible citations if they are to stand. There was also some slang - the 'gadget' causing the accident was in fact a length of steel tyre from a defective wheel - which would need tidying up. Both times the addition was made by unregistered users. Please understand that I am not 'against' seeing DB's problems recorded, but we need to do this in an appropriate and balanced way, citing authoritative sources. Thanks. --Bermicourt (talk) 21:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that a section on DB problems is badly needed. I just watched a show on German public TV (ARD network) that was highly critical of the DB, "Betriebsstörung - Macht die Bahn noch mobil?" The show indicates that the DB gets a lot (majority?) of support from tax money, but claims that since the Bahnreform and a move toward a goal of profitability, many bad things have happened to the rail system: 25% reduction of infrastructure, badly declining on-time service, dirty rail stations, management indifference to problems, costs rising more rapidly than other transportation modes, etc.

It also claims that the Arriva purchase has been a disaster for users of that system. Further, it compares the DB quite unfavorably with the Swiss rail system, which is arguably a model of service, security, reliability, etc.

Sorry I can't follow up on this, but here's the link; the program is in German: http://mediathek.daserste.de/topvideos/21553488_betriebsstoerung-macht-die-bahn-noch-mobil- --EdwardEditor (talk) 22:25, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

500 subsidiaries?

The first paragraph of the article states:

DB is organised as a business group and has over 500 subsidiaries. It describes itself as the second-largest transport company in the world after Deutsche Post AG and is the largest railway operator and infrastructure owner in Europe. About two billion passengers are carried each year.

Going by the English definition of "subsidiary" (the New Oxford American Dictionary defines it as "a company controlled by a holding company"), that sounds rather excessive and inefficient. The statement is cited and refers to a PDF in German. Could someone who speaks German take a look at the PDF and confirm that this statement is in fact true? —INTRIGUEBLUE (talk|contribs) 09:39, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i checked the pdf and on the bottom of page 19 it states: "Zum Unternehmen DB gehören insgesamt 525 Gesellschaften (Stand 2007)." which translates literally as: "to the firm DB belong totally 525 companies (as of 2007)". so i guess the phrase in the article checks out... --Swissjoker (talk) 23:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

VAT DB Lounge in Stuttgart

(Machine Translation) You buy a '1. Class ticket at the TVG from Stuttgart to Karlsruhe (12.54Uhr to 13:30 pm). 'You will receive two tickets from Deutsche Bahn for the price of 29 € (first class unless TVG and ICE) and an additional ticket of 10 € (supplement for TVG and ICE). This results in a total price for the TVG (5 times daily) from 39 €. In the first class ticket for the rapid transportation (except for TVG and ICE) is a 'value-added tax of 4.63 €.' This amount is incorrect. The gross price is the net price of '24, 37 € '(81 percent) and the reported value added tax in the amount of '4, 63 €' (19 percent) combined. If you divide the 24.37 now € 81 parts by hundreds, the results for one percent of '0, € 300 864 197 '. This multiplied by 100 (equal to 100 percent), resulting in a gross price of '30, € 08,641,975. That is, between the gross price of the Deutsche Bahn rail tickets from 29 € and the price of mathematical train '30, 08,641,975 € 'a mathematical error arises amount of € 1.08641975. The 'net price of 24.37 € will be divided by 81%. '"Have I done right?" 94.125.164.114 (talk) 09:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC) (Translated: Lexlex (talk) 14:19, 15 June 2012 (UTC) )[reply]

Deutsche Bahn and Deutsche Post are two different things

maybe i'm missing something, but i cannot understand this revert: Deutsche Bahn is not comparable with Deutsche Post. Bahn is a railway company which transports goods, but mainly passangers, Post is a company which transports letters and parcels only. maybe the source for the misleading assumption that Bahn and Post play in the same arena stems from a misunderstood statement by Deutsche Bahn. Maximilian (talk) 18:34, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who owns it ?

It is currently unclear who owns it. It is stated that the German Government is required to own "a majority" of it. But do they, in fact, own ALL of it ? It says there were plans to sell 25% of the shares into the market, but this was postponed. Is this still the case ?Eregli bob (talk) 22:06, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Eregli bob: German Wikipedia says that "Das Grundkapital des Unternehmens beträgt 2,15 Milliarden Euro und ist in 430 Millionen auf Inhaber lautende, nennwertlose Stückaktien eingeteilt. Die Bundesrepublik Deutschland ist Inhaber aller Anteile.[10][11]" This means, there are 430 million stocks, which are all owned by the Federal Republic of Germany. -- Metrophil44 (talk) 13:45, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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DB Station&Service merge

Propose merging DB Station&Service into Deutsche Bahn, former is a one line article with two primary citations. Dbantznz (talk) 01:27, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I've removed the hatnote. The article can be extended from the German article. It is certainly a notable subject that should not be merged. PhotographyEdits (talk) 14:43, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Organization

Just wondering? The article lead states, "the company is a joint-stock company (AG)" but also "The Federal Republic of Germany is its single shareholder." A definition of joint-stock company (in the lead) would seem to be "A joint-stock company is an artificial person; it has legal existence separate from persons composing it. It can sue and can be sued in its own name. It is created by law, established for commercial purposes, and comprises a large number of members, but is actually a State-owned enterprise. -- Otr500 (talk) 10:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DB, privatisation and Brexit

London Buses were 'privatised' in 1994 and 34% of our electorate voted to leave Europe in 2020.

Why are some of London's buses run by Arriva, a subsidiary of DB who are owned by the German government?

Surely this is a double contradiction of the UK government's agendas? 2A00:23EE:12D9:1257:60EC:A6A2:BA17:601 (talk) 23:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

fuck no revert revert revert

i genuinely didn't mean to vandalise it's 2:30am and my brain is barely working 176.6.3.249 (talk) 00:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@176.6.3.249 This is why you shouldn't Ctrl-V and immediately press enter without checking 176.6.3.249 (talk) 00:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@176.6.3.249 I give up on my contribution

Please delete this thread i don't know how to do it 176.6.3.249 (talk) 00:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DB’s benefits

The benefit of the DB’S 102.88.33.56 (talk) 12:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DB Company Subsidiary

Arriva (UK transportation company) has been publicly known to be a subsidiary of DB for a while, according to the Network 1 website. It's also on the busses that operate under arriva's name. 79.77.255.190 (talk) 21:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]