Talk:Dream (YouTuber)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Reviewing sources

Paintspot Infez, the articles you presented are mainly about reviewing one of the game modes he popularized "Minecraft Manhunt", highlighting that he and another YouTuber designed shock collars that go with video games for a viral video. About the only one that kind of goes into what he does in general is the Paste magazine article. Are there others? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 07:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

(Please note the following comment was copied over from main draft page):

(responding to AngusWOOF below:) Not sure which of these seven (7) sources about Dream and his content are the best WP:THREE (3), but in no particular order, I'd say the TechTimes article, the ScreenRant article, the GameRant article, the Kotaku article, the Metro article, the Sportskeeda article, and this Paste article all about him I just added. Paintspot Infez (talk) 20:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Paintspot Infez, per WP:VG/RS Game Rant is considered unreliable , Screen Rant is inconclusive. Per WP:RSP, Metro UK is unreliable. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 19:17, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Reviewing the sources presented:

• Tech Times - this describes one of his YouTube videos and doesn't really go in-depth on Dream's career.
• Kotaku - this describes another of his YouTube videos where he gets shocked when he plays, doesn't go in-depth on his career either.
• Sportskeeda - not considered a RS since it takes in many contributors, and the person making the article is not on staff
• Paste - this is more of an opinion piece reviewing and praising his work

AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 19:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Main space

There's currently an article in main space called Dream (YouTuber), authors of this draft can improve the main-space article and merge the usefull content of this draft to that article. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 00:46, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

That article was nominated to AfD. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 18:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Previous Afd

This article was previously deleted as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dream (YouTuber) but I think that the coverage has improved enough that the article can be kept. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:25, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

same the deletion mark should be removed it has improved it does not need to be deleted Gpshshdhe (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Gpshshdhe, that's not how removing deletion notices works - The discussion needs to conclude before it is removed. ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 22:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Weird sentence in "Minecraft speedrun cheating claims"

> On June 11, 2020, Dream performed a speedrun for the 1.16 version of Minecraft on July 3, 2020.[14]

This sentence is confusing and doesn't make sense to me, did something get mangled with the next sentence? The speedrun video was recorded on July 3 and uploaded to Youtube on July 10 according to the source (the Youtube video page) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.11.90.124 (talk) 22:58, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2021

His real name is Clay, so you should probably add that. Ian Lautert da Costa (talk) 03:51, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ian Lautert da Costa:  Not done For do the change you wanna made, you need to provide a reliable source that support the information. You can read more about this in WP:VER and WP:NOR. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 04:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2021 (2)

His name is Clay, he mentions this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=64&v=RahBEN4PwGI&feature=youtu.be— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Lautert da Costa (talk • contribs) 05:42, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done That isn't a reliable source (it isn't his own video). However, it seems someone else objected to mentioning his real name as Clay for different reasons. I will start a discussion on that now. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 22:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding Clay?

Some editors have repeatedly added Dream's first name to the article only to be reverted.^[1][2][3][4] I would like to get some consensus here for whether it should be included.

@Hemiauchenia, Pittstone, AngusWOOF, Gpshshdhe, X-Editor, El Rolo Ueeqee, and Ian Lautert da Costa: Please share your thoughts. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 23:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Dream has indeed stated his name is Clay, which included in the Danish DR article. However, I have seen doxx that leaks dream's full name, which suggests that "Clay" is a shortening of his full forename, so I'm not sure it should be in the lead, given that it is possibly not his legal full name, which is still relatively unknown. "Clay, better known as Dream" seems like an awkward introductory sentence for the article anyway, and it would make more sense if it was in a newly created "personal life" section, if included at all. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:17, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Biographies typically start with the person's full name, followed by their common name, and then refer to the person using their last name through the article. This would be done here, but his full name is not known at the moment. Unless we can include his full name, I don't think it should be included right now. That's my stance, anyway. --Diriector_Doc├─────┤^Talk_Contribs 23:41, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I'd also note that he remains anonymous (ignoring the stupid outing attempts) and there isn't a particularly good reason to believe his name is Clay. Adding his full name—if he gives it out publicly—would make sense. Cheers, Ovinus (talk) 00:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

As said Hemiauchenia, Dream was doxed a couple of days ago (personally, I don't see any Dream's personal information in social media and I don't wanna see it, but I know he was doxed). So, if in the doxed data were included the real name of Dream, the inclussion of the real name of Dream in the article (in the case that "Clay" isn't the Dream's real name) could constitute in a violation of the Dream's personal identity (and a violation to the U. S. law) if is referenced with the doxed information (and also, even ignoring the legal consequences of this info, we can't be sured about the verifiability of this information, because all the doxing is primary research and this is controversial material). So, until a consensus is reach among wikipedians, or a reliable source sured that the real name of Dream is "Clay" (clarifying that "Clay" isn't a surname or something like that, but the Dream's real name), we can't included the name to the article, even if the own Dream sured that his real name is "Clay" (I remember to you guys that Dream it's in an extremely anonymous privacy state, so he wouldn't publish his actual real name for his own privacy). Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 00:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Hemiauchenia: Tbh, I wouldn't put too much stock in what the doxx says. The last one I've seen put Dream on the other-side of the country.
Let's just go with what the sources say (Clay) and leave it at that. Remember WP:Verifiability, not truth. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 01:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@MJL: Given that among other contributors there seems to be a concensus against inclusion, I don't think it should be included for now. Theres not really a good place to put it in the article anyway. Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I honestly don't really care if his first name "Clay" is added or not. X-Editor (talk) 02:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

It's more of whether it's properly referenced to a reliable source or not. From the AFD there are a lot of websites that might make use of his real name, but a lot of them are not reliable. Same with his date of birth and place of birth. You can't use civil records. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 03:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

sorry if I am to late but i think we should just add "His true name is unknown but it might be Clay" Gpshshdhe (talk) 20:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2021

HypixelJerry (talk) 20:49, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

{relationship-status=taken} {boyfriend=GeorgeNotFoun}

@HypixelJerry:  Not done The DreamNotFound shipping is that, just a shipping, is not something confirmed and shouldn't be taken seriously, unless a reliable source confirms it. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 21:39, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

As an addendum to this, "Dreamnotfound" has 1.4k stories on wattpad, many with hundreds of thousanda of views. Holy shit. I understand the appeal of writing fanfiction about fictional characters, but Dream and George are real, living people. Though I suppose that this is not unprecedented given the previous popularity of One Direction fanfiction. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:59, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi I'm new to Wikipedia. I won't be creating or editing articles. I only created this account to read articles and talk with people.

Off-topic discussion; see talk page guidelines . Twotwicetalk 21:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
As the title suggests, I will be reading articles and talking with other people. I will also answer questions too. Say hi and don't be toxic to me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReliverMattWiki (talk • contribs) 07:20, 5 February 2021 (UTC) Do you use youtube ReliverMattWiki Epicgueyetoofhioof (talk) 10:15, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

oh cool, enjoy the article several people participated in to make it better! -- ChannelSpider (talk) 06:49, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Is Dream's profile picture below TOO in the US?

If it is then I'll upload the image to commons. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 02:01, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

If used it should probably be uploaded to Wikipedia under fair use, not commons. Hemiauchenia (talk) 04:57, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Hemiauchenia: That's not what I meant. If you do not understand the question, then I'll reword it to: Does Dream's profile picture considered complex enough by the laws in US to merit its own copyright? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 07:13, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

If we can't use Dream's YT PFP, could we use the image of Dream from MrBeast's YT Rewind? Phineas1500— Preceding undated comment added 22:46, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@Phineas1500: No, see WP:NFC and Template:Non-free biog-pic for more information about this kind of photos. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 23:51, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

upload it under fair use Gpshshdhe (talk) 16:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

oh already is and that is from 2021 not 2020 Gpshshdhe (talk) 16:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I have permission by the artist to use their art as the cover image. Phineas1500 — Preceding undated comment added 01:07, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@Schazjmd: Tell me why you took the picture down. Phineas1500— Preceding undated comment added 01:15, 6 January 2021‎ (UTC)

@Phineas1500: I'm not the editor who removed it (and "unconstructive" was probably not a good explanation), but I agree that it doesn't "fit" the article. Unless there's a sufficient rationale for using this YouTuber's profile pic under fair use, I'd rather we just have no image, as opposed to a fan-created drawing of their persona. RoxySaunders (talk) 01:21, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@RoxySaunders: In the end, I agree. The thing is, when will we get an image of dream that isn't copyrighted? Could we use an image of his skin? Could we find another video that he's in? Right now, Dream is too popular to not have a picture, and fanart is all we have. Phineas1500— Preceding undated comment added 01:24, 6 January 2021‎ (UTC)

(ec) You're right, RoxySaunders, I could have been more communicative in my edit summary. Phineas1500, the purpose of an image in an article is to help readers identify the subject. Fan art doesn't accomplish that. (Plus, I suspect that file will be deleted as copyright infringement, because just claiming some twitter handle gave you permission isn't the right way to go about it and I don't believe it will meet the criteria for fair use of nonfree content.) Schazjmd (talk) 01:27, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@Phineas1500: If there is no free-to-use picture, then don't use a picture at all, since it's not necessary. Articles can only have free-to-use pictures when the subject is either deceased, missing, or in a situation where no free-to-use picture can be created. It's not rocket science, dude. Also, you can't just take any picture you find online and call it "Fair use". The misconception that "Fair use is anything transformative" is one promoted by many YouTubers that don't know what they're talking about. Fair use, at the end of the day, only applies when there is no free alternative of the subject at the moment, and there is no possible way to create a free alternative. WenaRamiro (talk) 01:31, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@WenaRamiro: This has nothing to do with fair use, though. I got permission from the artist to use the picture. I understand what you're saying, I just feel that Dream's Wikipedia page is too barebones for someone with 15 million subscribers. Phineas1500— Preceding undated comment added 01:35, 6 January 2021‎ (UTC)

@Phineas1500: There are plenty of people out there with a large following online that have a "barebones" article, or no article at all. Wikipedia's notablity guidelines aren't just about "having fans", it's more about "Has this person made a significant impact on the world"? Trust me, there are many, many, many people that have cheated on speedruns (and their girlfriend!) out there. If they're not notable enough for a Wikipedia page, why should Dream be notable for one? Also, two problems with the fanart argument. First of all, just claiming that you got permission isn't enough, we need public, verifiable proof that the artist gave you explicit permission to upload it to Wikiedia commons. Hell, why not just ask them to upload it themselves and file it under their "own work"? Secondly, fanart doesn't illustrate the subject in question accurately, it only shows off what the artist wants to show out of thet particular subject in their particular artsyle. While it is true that Wikipedia does have some articles with an image that is only a painting or a sculpture of the subject, these are often people who've been dead for hundreds of years, and there is obviously no picture of them available. WenaRamiro (talk) 01:42, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jeromi Mikhael: To answer your original question, I think there is too originality involved to be able to consider it Public Domain. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 01:49, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Hemiauchenia uploaded File:Dream icon.svg per Wikipedia:Non-free content, so actually this discussion is mostly moot anyways. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 01:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@MJL:Hemiauchenia Based in this tool, this file should be in 316x316px for comply WP:IMAGERES. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 14:08, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@El Rolo Ueeqee: The image has been converted into an svg, meaning that its pixel resolution is only nominal, and changing the size of the svg would have no effect. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:08, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@MJL: Looking back at this again, I think Dream's logo does not pass the threshold of originality. How about if we asked this to Wikimedia's legal team? I'm sure they would understand such a thing and it wouldn't take any bucks to do it... Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Image Poll

Can we have a proper discussion about whether the article should include Dreams icon at all? ImaginesTigers removed the image with the statement of "removing a clearly non-fair use image. it does not demonstrate anything about Dream, and is not a valid fair use exception". People have had issues with the resolution of the file so I have reduced it to 100x100 nominal resolution. Given that I put all of 5 minutes of work into this, I'm not too upset if the images goes, but I would like a proper discussion and consensus about whether the image should be included rather edit warring based on the whims of individual users. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Hemiauchenia. The reality is that you're going to struggle to write a proper fair use rationale for that image. Here's what that would need.

• Is the image a logo, photograph, or box art for the main subject of the article? (Yes.)
• Is the image being used as the primary means of visual identification of the subject or topic? (No?)
• Does it illustrate the topic of the article? (No.)
• Is it used for commentary on a particular topic? How? (No.)
• Why the subject can't be adequately conveyed by properly sourced text or using free content media? The subject is: in the article.

Dream's icon is not highly recognisable to people who do not know who Dream is. It doesn't illustrate really anything about him. Here's the fair use rationale I wrote for a screenshot recently: There are three primary purposes of this image. Firstly is that it conveys the game's colourful art style; the second is that it provides a visual representation of "minions" in the game, and what "farming" looks like, to stop it being very abstract. The third reason is that, because they are two champions per side in bot lane, it maximises visual information about how players tell allies apart from enemies (health bars). I really don't think it’s going to be able to go up with causing problems, either for us and for Commons (if I'm not mistaken, it’s already been removed from Commons?). That said, I'm not a fair use expert, so let me try and find someone who is for some further advice. Please tag me if you reply, thank you! — ImaginesTigers (talk) 18:29, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Just checked, and it looks like Commons folks are speedying the image. — ImaginesTigers (talk) 18:33, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@ImaginesTigers: The image was never on commons, I uploaded it as a fair-use vector on Wikipedia, the image nominated for speedy deletion by JackFromReedsburg, as the nominal resolution was too high, I have since reduced it to 100x100, so Jack's issue with the image is totally different to yours, and to my mind has been fixed. I think that the image satisfies the "primary means of visual identification of the subject" criterion, but for the others its iffy. I have no issue with the removal, I just want to make sure that that it is the concensus of multiple contributors. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:39, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@Hemiauchenia: For now, you should remove the image (multiple editors are now contesting its existence). It was good of you to start a discussion here. If you're set on having the image, I recommend that you trace over the actual image, and remove Dream's name. Recreating the image, instead of using exactly what Dream uses, will go down much smoother. The reality is, you're not going to get much consensus on this Talk (there's nobody here!), and it’s not worth RfC (imo, but you're free to). Just trace over it (semi-poorly), lower the resolution, and use that! — ImaginesTigers (talk)

@ImaginesTigers: I don't see how poorly tracing over the image is substantially different from a fair use perspective from vectorising it. There are other people on this talk page, as evidenced by the above discussion, and I'd rather that they chimed in before we make a decision. Having a look at the Wikia page compared to this its pretty shocking the rampant copyright infringement they get away with. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:50, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

I've asked for other opinions. This isn't Fandom, though, and that comparison... well, I don't know what to say to it, lol — ImaginesTigers (talk) 21:16, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

This wasn't a comparison to Fandom, their blatant copyright infringement is shocking and I am suprised that they aren't called out on it more often, (I've only see it happen once) and whatever goes on on Fandom is irrelevant to what goes on here. Wikipedia's stringent copyright policy is good, and copyright gets taken more seriously on Wikipedia than many other internet sites. Hemiauchenia (talk) 21:27, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

• Comment. @ImaginesTigers: Hemiauchenia's upload of File:Dream icon.svg is fairly rooted in current consensus. See the case study of CGP Grey (FfD + talk). In this case, the png depicting Grey as a stick figure is used in place of free content we have of him due to repeatedly mentioned WP:BLPPRIVACY concerns. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 23:06, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@MJL: Thanks, MJL! — ImaginesTigers (talk) 01:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

• If the image is a logo, then we do use those as non-free - for example File:Twitter bird logo 2012.svg, and all these: Category:All non-free logos. If it is to be used to represent a cartoon character, then we do use those as non-free - for example File:Snoopy Peanuts.png, and all these: Category:Fair use character artwork. If it is to be used as a representation of a person, then it's use is more dubious. As the article is about a person, and the image is in a person infobox rather than a company infobox, then the use of the image is uncertain. We do have fair use biographical images (Category:Non-free biographical images), but that is usually where someone is dead - there are examples of fair uses images of living people, but they are very rare, and possibly dubious. If the image is to be used, then it would need to be used as some form of WP:LOGO. SilkTork (talk) 12:10, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

From WP:LOGO: "Logos should be regarded as portraits for a given entity." If an appropriate rationale is put forward that File:Dream icon.svg is a logo - that it, it is the representation of Dream, then it would be acceptable and should survive any deletion discussion. On consideration of the circumstances, I support the use of the image in this article. SilkTork (talk) 17:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: I not here to discuss whether or not the image should stay, but I would like to point out that on YouTube, Dream likes to stay faceless and uses the character of the image as his pseudo-identity. I highly doubt this will be the determining factor, but I thought it might be something to consider. --Diriector_Doc├─────┤^Talk_Contribs 13:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Hemiauchenia, ImaginesTigers, SilkTork, and Diriector Doc: I have an idea! Since Dream uses this image as the furthest real life depiction of him, how about if we search for a freely licensable art of this? We do sometimes use drawings to depict biographies. I know this sounds stupid but I would like to hear your thoughts and opinions. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:32, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I doubt that image is licenced under CC. Then again, neither is the current one, but it does represent his "brand" better than the photograph. --Diriector_Doc├─────┤^Talk_Contribs 02:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Diriector Doc: I mean, something like this. A fan art or something, basically depicting a man in green jacket wearing a smiley mask. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 02:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Diriector Doc and Jeromi Mikhael: Oppose Just imagine having a fanart in the PewDiePie's article infobox in a context that Felix never did revealed his face; the fanarts may be used for illustrate a personality's fanbase, but not the personality itself. I guess that, until Dream don't reveal his actual face, we should still using his channel photo in this article. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 03:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Jeromi Mikhael: Fan art is a really really poor idea for replacing the current image with. The current image is his channel logo and a very identifiable part of his brand. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• The current image is a logo representing "Dream", which meets our fair use criteria, so there is no need to remove it. It quickly and clearly identifies the subject matter of the article, and gives readers useful and encyclopaedic information about the main identifying image of the subject. If other images, such as the green anorak are found which comply with copyright rules and our image inclusion criteria, then they can also be used. It's not a case of either/or. We can use more than one image if they are all relevant, encyclopaedic, lawful and are not duplicating existing images. SilkTork (talk) 09:53, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

SilkTork, you really convey this better than me! What kind of anorak fanart that you consider as encyclopedic? It would be a great thing to hear input from you! Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Associated acts

This section is growing in size rather rapidly. Are there any guidelines on who counts as an "associated act"? Hemiauchenia (talk) 10:06, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

@Hemiauchenia: I guess we could use WP:GNG, not sure. I'm also disputing the presence of Wadzee and Skeppy on the list, since they do not have direct interactions with Dream. ―sportzpikachu _{my talkcontribs} 10:08, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Also according to Template:Infobox_YouTube_personality we should be using {{Flatlist}} ―sportzpikachu _{my talkcontribs} 10:11, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

@Hemiauchenia I think the associated be revealnt and appear in at least 3 videos of dream or in there own channel so no illuminahd. Epicgueyetoofhioof (talk) 10:08, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Song

Dreams new song was amazing. Obviously a lot of auto tune but I was not expecting it to come from the person who shouts "C'MERE GEORGE!" and calls George a "stinky poo head."For people who havent heard of the song, 1. how? 2. Its called Roadtrip by Dream and PmBata. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:7F:3B80:5007:D8A8:2712:4D79 (talk) 16:53, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

We can't cover it without secondary sourcing. Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:56, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Expand discography section

Is it possible to expand the discography sentence with this sources: [5], [6], and [7] and renaming it to musical career? Or would it be unsuitable for now? --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

All of these sources are crap and cover pretty much every bottom of the barrel content possible about YouTubers, and don't indicate notability. Fantano reviewed the single, but there's no concensus on the usability of Fantano's reviews. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:19, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2021

I would like to create a outcome of the "dream speed run", and "cheating claims" I edit lots of MC YouTube people on wiki, and this especially famous one one needs updating. I'll describe the edits to make under, a copy of my edits can be found if you gmail me. Thank you for your time. So to start I will add sectioned off columns about allegations and defamation claims. then i will add a-position to the outcomes of before with some evidence of him not faking the speed run while also addressing other points. Luketnielsen (talk) 21:39, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Not a "Change X to Y" request. You have precisely two edits two your name, including this one, and the other one has nothing to do with either YouTube or Minecraft. The section on the cheating claims is as long as it needs to be. Hemiauchenia (talk) 21:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2021

Dreams sub count has changed drastically to 17.7M subscribers so we should changed it Mr.Fluffers (talk) 02:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

 The page already had the change before the edit request so I will sign for archive this request. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 03:09, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

oh Mr.Fluffers (talk) 16:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2021

Dream started youtube making Minecraft UHC trapping videos but has privated them since. Not much is know of these videos due to Dream privating those videos. He quit youtube for some years and came back and privated those old videos and posted the first video that brought Dream to his place he is today. Boomerdogg (talk) 18:00, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@Boomerdogg: Not done Please provide a reliable source that support the change you want to do. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 18:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

This is true but It can't be added because there are no reliable sources for it. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:50, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Should we include residence?

Ive seen some bickering from @Hemiauchenia over the sourcing of Dream's birthplace. I couldn't find any sources for the *birthplace*, but I have a couple for his residency in Orlando:

https://www.ginx.tv/en/minecraft/who-is-dream-the-story-of-minecraft-s-faceless-youtuber

https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Dream

Would it be a good idea to put in the bio his residency? I wasn't sure and didn't want to make an edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by RAMSEYWALID (talk • contribs) 01:38, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

@RAMSEYWALID: Fandom is definitely not a valid source. Citing Fandom just screams invalidity. As for the Ginx TV article, the publisher doesn't have any discussion on whether or not it's a reliable source. In cases like these, I would look for another source to back it up. However, I can't seem to find such a source anywhere. Thus, I agree with Hemiauchenia's decision to take his birthplace and birthdate out of the page, especially considering that this is a biography. Chlod (say hi!) 01:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Dream has stated on twitter that his PO Box is in Orlando, but that not necessarily a declaration of residence or even the fact that he was born there. Never use fandom as a source, as it is WP:USERGENERATED, see (RSP entry). Ginx TV is apparently a real tv channel, but I am unsure of their online content, which looks pretty low quality to me, maybe worth taking to the WP:RSN. Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:47, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Should we mention his first name (which he's said is Clay on Twitter)?

Just wondering – should we mention his first name? Obviously not his last name (which is unknown and would 100% be a BLP violation), but he's literally mentioned on Twitter that his first name is Clay.. How does this brief sentence sound?: "Dream, whose real name is Clay, chooses to keep most information about his real-life identity private; thus, little is known about his real-life identity." Thoughts? Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

See Talk:Dream_(YouTuber)/Archive_1#Adding_Clay? the concensus was not add it. That sentence is straight from Wikia isn't it? I've seen doxx, and "Clay" is a diminutive form of his real full name. It's best not to add it unless there is better sourcing. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Got it. Also, that sentence was present on an earlier version of this page, so either (1.) whoever wrote that sentence on the Wikipedia page possibly borrowed it from the copyright-free Wikia, or (2.) whoever wrote that sentence on Wikia possibly borrowed it from here. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:36, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

That tweet looks like it was removed, confirming he does not want it to be made public. See WP:BLPPRIVACY regarding that subject has objected. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 19:23, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2021

Dream has collaborated with Vikkatr123 so add Vikkstaer to the associates 117.99.86.79 (talk) 07:25, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 20:46, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2021

I'd like to suggest the replacement of the last sentence in the introduction. Here's my reasoning:

• Inconsistent with other content creators with past controversies. In cases of Pewdiepie and JonTron, who have been involved in numerous and sizable controversies in the media, said controversies aren't mentioned until their respective sections in the article. Similarly, streamer xQc shows no mention of his own cheating incident in Twitch Rivals, despite drawing similar attention due to his position in the Twitch community.

• Out of place with the rest of the introduction. The first four sentences go into detail about who he is, when his career started and gained traction, and covered his current popularity. It then immediately jumps to the December cheating allegations.

• More relevant information can be used here. The most notable examples are the relevance of Minecraft Manhunt to his growth in 2020, as well as him being the former world record holder for Minecraft Speedruns.

• Other YouTube creators who maintain consistent formulas on their channels generally have references to the shows/series' they're involved with. Examples are Arin Hanson and Dan Avidan with Game Grumps, Burnie Burns with Red vs Blue, and Joji Miller with Filthy Frank.

The proposed edit I would like to make would be replacing

> At the end of 2020, Dream was accused of cheating following an investigation by a major speedrun website.

With

> Dream is most well known for his YouTube series Minecraft Manhunt, a series originated from his previous history with the game's speedrunning community that spawned the "Manhunt" genre in the Minecraft community.

At the very least the Minecraft Manhunt series deserves a mention in the introduction, considering the series accounts for 656 million views (around 43%) on his main channel and roughly a quarter of all content on his main channel. BasicSID (talk) 04:02, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

No. Dream's cheating allegations are significant and should not be removed from wikipedia just because it makes Dream look bad. JJK2000 (talk) 15:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

You're making a biased argument to keeping it in the opening paragraph. Keep in mind that Dream's allegations are still in the article. That said, I'm still currently pushing that this change be made, as the allegation is inconsistent with the treatment of other popular streamers/youtubers with similar or more hardened claims against them. BasicSID (talk) 08:16, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Not sure about whether to take the cheating sentence out of the lead, but agreed on the other point that Manhunt is definitely relevant enough to be mentioned. (Added a brief phrase of "...and is well known for his YouTube series Minecraft Manhunt." to one of the sentences, at the least). Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:20, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Should we add the dream team to accoidated acts

Like SapNap, GeorgeNotFound, and maybe BadBoyHalo? I was wondering because I remember before there were more accoidated. I was wondering because some of the suggestions were about people who aren't on there now, was this intentional or vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgegod245 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2021

watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdxDEZwHRRE it says that his name is Clay, Dream confirmed that his name is Clay, from 00:00 to 00:14 and you'll see that Dream confirmed his name to be Clay. so add his name in it, Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akram GameYT (talk • contribs) 17:43, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with him i think we should i will right now tell me if i should change it Georgegod245 (talk) 21:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)Georgegod245

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2021

Dream only began his career in 2019! The channel was made in 2014 but he posted his first video in 2019, starting his career then. Also the part about being accused of cheating is true but doesn’t need to be included since de said multiple timer speed-running is not his career and was simply something he did for fun but its not part of who he is, Minecraft Manhunt on the other hand it is. 2804:18:C7:7F5:9C9C:FCEE:D02F:DF66 (talk) 20:08, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

 Partly done While the oldest video public in Dream's YouTube channel was post in 2019, we don't know if he did videos for YouTube before then (that is determinated by reliable sources).
Respect to the cheating accusations, this has to be included because, even if Dream doesn't consider himself "speedrunner", the sources of the article demonstrates he has a speedrunning carrer and talk since both persectives involucrated in the polemic. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 02:04, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

A note regarding "fan fiction"

I noticed user Hemiauchenia added a section on fan fiction written about Dream and another person. I don't feel that it fits the article, being a relatively obscure fan creation. Unless this work becomes widely known, or achieves further notability, I do not feel that its inclusion is right. Obviously we are at the debate stage in the BRD cycle, so I want to hear your thoughts on its inclusion. Thanks, JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 22:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

this post on AO3's tumblr demonstrates that the fic has some following, but in retrospect compared to the size of Dream's average youtube views and subscriber base it's actually pretty small, as this is a BLP I will remove it for now, but I think it could be used if these is more coverage in the future of Dream's fanbase and other fanworks (i. e. fanart)/ Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

This is definitely WP:FANCRUFT. Something like that just feels like, 'OK. So what?' Thanks, Hemi, for providing a good source, though. SWinxy (talk) 02:58, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I disagree that it is fancruft. I was attempting to quantify Dream's cultural impact and it was cited to Polygon, a reliable source, not Wikia. I do think it may be undue without additional coverage, and the polygon piece is less about Dream than the fic itself and the rise of "real person" fanfiction, which may be better suited for another article. Hemiauchenia (talk) 09:11, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

New story on Dream SMP and possible split

The Dream SMP has gotten another story LIVING THE DREAM SMP: Inside the massive fandom making Dream SMP YouTube’s biggest hit in the The Verge. I think that at this point, combining the Wired, Business Insider and The Verge stories, there is enough significant coverage that the Dream SMP probably warrants its own separate article, rather than a just a section in this article. The current draft at Draft:Dream SMP currenty does not do enough to demonstrate notability and if it is to be published needs a signficant rewrite. Hemiauchenia (talk) 11:55, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2021

dream is the best Minecraft player 84.108.59.125 (talk) 10:53, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EN-Jungwon 13:25, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2021

Dreams name is clay 2604:3D08:7A75:CC00:D46B:B506:1A64:59C1 (talk) 15:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: See discussions above. SWinxy (talk) 15:44, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Help with Draft:Technoblade

Hello. Technoblade, a notable YouTuber, is currently redirected to Dream (YouTuber). Please help with creating a more reliable page for Draft:Technoblade.

This is the most relevant page to ask for help, as suggested by user:AngusWOOF. AnonymousHummingbird (talk) 09:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

While Technoblade is a popular youtuber, unlike Dream they appear to have received little notice in reliable sources, which means that it is unlikely that an article on Technoblade is viable at this time. Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:55, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

"GeorgeNotFound" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect GeorgeNotFound. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 15#GeorgeNotFound until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 16:44, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2021

I fell people need to know everyone on the Dream SMP Technogerbil303 (talk) 19:55, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 20:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Redirect from Draft:Quackity

Hello. Quackity is currently a pretty notable internet persona, so I wanted to write him a separate page. Unfortunately, Quackity is redirected to Dream (YouTuber). This in my opinion isn't really suitable, since his channel has grown even before joining DreamSMP and Dream doesn't play that large part of Quackity's growth on Twitch/YouTube. I would suggest removing the redirection. BlueberryCZ9 (talk) 06:41, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@BlueberryCZ9: You are still free to create Draft:Quackity and submit it to WP:Articles for Creation. If it is accepted, then the redirect from Quackity to here will be removed. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 14:26, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

FAQ

I made an FAQ for things I keep seeing come up here. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 14:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Last sentence in lead

Hello. I believe the last sentence of the lead (the cheating accusation sentence) should be removed. Since the lead is meant to be a general overview, a cheating accusation seems inappropriate. Rnh3u (talk) 03:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

It is central to his notability as discussed in reliable sources, it should stay. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Wilbur Soot link

Under the "YouTube information" section, the link to Wilbur Soot's page is wrong, since it leads to Your New Boyfriend song's page. As far as I can get, that is one of Mr Soot's songs, but it is neither him nor his online username. I would suggest either deleting that part or remove the misleading link. Pwinger (talk) 07:35, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Yep Mabey I can create a page about him @Pwinger Epicgueyetoofhioof (talk) 08:13, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok I am now creating draft it be ready in 10 minutes Epicgueyetoofhioof (talk) 08:20, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Fu- I anccidenly pressed the X button oof Epicgueyetoofhioof (talk) 08:45, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

But why doesn't it show all his music? Like your City gave me Asthma. That album is POG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:1E80:E360:8924:3296:DC3C:C0F (talk) 16:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2021

Can I Edit This Page Richard.tepper.1 (talk) 14:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. SWinxy (talk) 16:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2021

The subscriber count in the main channel is wrong, he has 22,1 million subscribers instead of 21,9 million, wich also makes the total subscriber count of all his channels wrong. Please acknowledge this problem and fix it as soon as possible, before anyone could be confused. Albi3322 (talk) 14:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 14:45, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

These numbers are updated regularly, and doesn't pose a problem if they are not exactly correct. I'm not sure how people could be confused by it being behind a little. SWinxy (talk) 15:40, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2021

Worldinthe1111 (talk) 17:17, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

i would like to request that you talk about the stans. they are out of control. or just make a whole page on these stans (stalker fans, or as the new term, 'super fans') this would be very much thankful. :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:37, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

"Sapnap" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Sapnap. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 24#Sapnap until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 00:29, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Dream cheating response video

The original video which Dream responded to the speedrunning mod team with his own paper, has been privated. This can be viewed on the Wayback machine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iqpSrNVjYQ This should be mentioned in the article, as it wraps up this "drama" on the cheating. Privated sometime in early to mid February.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.173.149.180 (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2021

Add his real name as Clay

His location as Orlando, FL

And his ancestry as Icelandic

50.196.175.13 (talk) 20:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn’t notice the FAQ 50.196.175.13 (talk) 20:11, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

That's alright – the FAQ banner is pretty small if you don't expand it, so I understand. I'll go ahead and mark this edit request as answered. If you have any other edits to request feel free to start another request. HoneycrispApples (talk) 20:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2021

Requesting that:

   On May 30, 2021, Dream admitted that he had modified the item probabilities, claiming he accidentally had modifications enabled, and apologized to the Speedrun.com moderators.

Be changed to

   On May 30, 2021, Dream admitted that he had a mod that altered item probabilities, claiming he accidentally had modifications enabled. According to him, this discrepancy was a result of an unknown change to a client mod written for his YouTube channel. In his confession, he explains that the item modifications were changed by the developer of the mod, and asserted that he was unaware of the addition until February of 2021.

   On May 31st, 2021, Dream made a second apology directly to the Speedrun.com moderators and the Minecraft speedrunning community, accepting responsibility for his previous behavior during and following the investigation.

At the moment this is the full claim he is making, and it is one that's being supported by third parties who have contacted the mod's developer. The main reasoning behind this request is that the original statement is slightly misleading, as it implies that Dream is admitting to modifying the item probabilities himself. Furthermore, I've included a link to the Minecraft modding page for additional context. This explanation also clarifies that Dream's actual apology was on the 31st in a second pastebin. However, since this pastebin was posted directly to the discord of the Speedrun Moderators as opposed to publicly, I'd understand if this section lacks sufficient citations. BasicSID (talk) 09:00, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

References

 Partly done the first statement has been added, however as the second does not have reliable sources attached I can't add it in. ◎ | melecie | t 00:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

 Note: Closing answered request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Source for nationality

The first sentence of the lede, the nationality entry in the infobox and several categories the page is included in all identify Dream as an American YouTuber. However, none of these statements actually seem to be sourced as far as I can see, and I'm not at all certain that it is even correct. Yes, his channel's About page says 'Location: United States', but that entry is verifiably wrong for a number of other YouTubers (and anyway, location ≠ nationality). I know of nothing that establishes him as American, and a number of factors actually argue against it (he has a faint but noticeable accent when speaking English, which I think sounds Scandinavian, and his website 'dreams.is' is an Icelandic domain) - though far from definitively.

Perhaps some source is readily available that identifies him as American (or any other nationality) and I just don't know about it, in which case that should be cited. If not, I suggest we strip nationality from the article entirely.

Toanoopie (talk) 19:59, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree. That's why I have removed nationality. Kind regards, JJK2000 (talk) 10:24, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Dream is from Orlando, Florida; he's mentioned it multiple times across his social media. The phone number he tweeted here is a Florida number. M2r1k5 (talk) 08:24, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

That is an unreliable source. Also, because he lives in America doesn't mean he is an American. Kind regards, JJK2000 (talk) 10:40, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Good article

Does anyone reckon this article is good enough to be a good article? I might nominate it soon. Kind regards, JJK2000 (talk) 10:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC) Eh, i've nominated it anyway. Why not. Kind regards, JJK2000 (talk) 10:18, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the article is not worthy of being a GA. It is not broad, and it lacks strong, quality, verifiable sources. Because of that, it's likely to immediately fail. SWinxy (talk) 18:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I think the article needs work, but I disagree about it not being broad enough or lacking high quality sources. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Yep. The article needs some more source. JJK2000, at the very least, try sorting out the citations to primary and secondary sources, as in Pewdiepie. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:57, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

JJK2000, the reason not to nominate this is that, as someone who is not a significant contributor to the article, you're supposed to consult regular editors of the article on the article talk page prior to a nomination, not afterward. Given the responses, it's clear that the article is not ready, and that, combined with the out-of-process nature of the nomination, is why I'm going to be deleting your nomination. Once the issues raised above have been dealt with and there is consensus that the article is ready, you can nominate at that point. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:41, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

@JJK2000: I'd recommend that you nominate the article for WP:PEERREVIEW before going with a GA nomination again. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:46, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

For reference, the top 10 regular editors to this article according to XTools are (by authorship attribution): Hemiauchenia, Gobonobo, Paintspot, Panini!, Longplay Watcher, Snowballgamers, me, Nsk92, IanTEB, and MJL. Please consult your GA with these regular editors accordingly.--Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:13, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Channel list in infobox

There are seven channels listed in the infobox as of this writing. I am looking at WP:ELMINOFFICIAL and it says, generally max 1 official site. A few of these channels are mentioned unsourced in the article. I do not believe all of them are independently notable. Elizium23 (talk) 03:47, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2021

Tomtoriuwu (talk) 02:03, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

He is agnostic and has 24 million subs

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:10, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Real name

In clips by his friends, fellow YouTubers and his sister, Dream is sometimes referred to as "Clay".

On his song "Roadtrip" on Spotify, writer credits are given to "Clay Lucas Bryce", which suggests that this is his full name. Spotify isn't always trustworthy about writer credits, but given that it's uploaded on his verified page by him or his team, it's probably legit. 151.252.197.83 (talk) 21:46, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Birth date and age inclusion

I included Dream's birthdate and age despite consensus because I believe the editors working on this page and who have made the have failed to read some Wikipedia policy. WP:NOTJUSTANYSYNTH and SYNTH is not obvious II justify the usage of two tweets to come at a conclusion if the conclusion is reasonable to deduce and not original research. WP:BLPSELFPUB justifies the usage of a self-published source by the subject of the article to include personal information about a living person (the idea is that Dream willingly released this information to the public himself via his Twitter, so it is not a privacy concern). I will ping Hemiauchenia who reverted my edit - which means they likely saw my edit summary but did not address it in their reversion. BappleBusiness (talk) 06:34, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive324#Sourcing_dates_of_birth_from_tweets_by_subject. Looking at a picture of a birthday cake labelled 21, and inferring a 1999 year of birth when that was not explicitly stated is absolutely WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. Hemiauchenia (talk) 06:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

How is this open to interpretation whatsoever? The first tweet literally is a statement saying that his birthday on August 12, what Zaereth said would be necessary for its inclusion. Later the same day, after establishing it was his birthday, he posts a picture of a birthday cake with "21" on it; it is absolutely ridiculous to claim a birthday cake with "21" on it means anything but turning 21. Are you actually saying that turning 21 on August 12, 2020 doesn't imply a August 12, 1999 birthdate? And if you claim that we can't trust the subject for their birthday because they would "lie" about it, who do you suggest we trust? All secondary sources are just that: secondary. BappleBusiness (talk) 07:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I honestly don't think that citing his two tweets is such a big deal, or violates policy. It's quite obvious what the two sources imply together, and we can (and occasionally, should) take editorial oversight if needed. I'm not much of a fan of policy-above-all-else. SWinxy (talk) 07:08, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Picture_of_a_cake_as_a_source_of_year_of_birth. Also WP:BLPDOB Hemiauchenia (talk) 07:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

You failed to mention Dream's previous tweet in that discussion (I'm assuming not in bad faith). All replies to your inquiry there are inapplicable to developing a consensus here as they were not based on the facts of this discussion, only the lens that you allowed them to view. BappleBusiness (talk) 20:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

It's a verified Twitter account, check. But the tweets aren't "good" enough. Date is fine, but cake-pic is not unambiguous enough, it could be his parrot's birthday cake. Fail per WP:BLP. If he had stated plainly "I'm 21 today!!!", that would have worked. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:13, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

If we use a search engine for "dream youtuber 21", there are several decent sources that mention Dream being 21. So we could at least use {{birth based on age as of date |yy|yyyy|mm|dd}}. Edwardx (talk) 13:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

It's obviously his birthday cake because it is on the same day after his previous tweet establishing that it was his birthday. Claiming there's a meaningful chance he meant anything else is just unreasonable. BappleBusiness (talk) 20:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

No, it's WP:BLP in action. If we have to interpret his age from a pic of a cake, we don't want it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:54, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

It isn't really an interpretation, it's more of a declaration. It would be an interpretation if putting ages on birthday cakes (it most definitely is his birthday cake based on the context) wasn't a ubiquitous tradition, which it is. As such, we can look at the consensus established this June, which says that declarations of age on social media fall under WP:ABOUTSELF. BappleBusiness (talk) 22:47, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

The first tweet is okay for establishing birth date "According to life statistics a small percentage of people have a birthday today, and I’m one of those people LMAO thank you for all the happy birthday wishes :)" If it were just "Thank you for the birthday wishes", then that doesn't say anything about the date. As for the year, if you can find some external news sources that list his age as of the publication of the article, that can be used to calculate the year. For example: https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/news-don-t-make-promise-can-t-keep-dream-dragged-streaming-last-day-pride-month says "21-year-old YouTuber and Twitch streamer Dream is a popular gamer, best known for his Minecraft themed videos and gameplays." But Sportskeeda isn't reliable. So find a reliable source instead. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

How are these for refs? these are probably reporters who assume birth date and age from the social media posts, but wrote it into their articles AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:50, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• https://www.ginx.tv/en/minecraft/who-is-dream-the-story-of-minecraft-s-faceless-youtuber "Who is Dream? Humble beginnings Born on 12th August 1999 and residing in Orlando, Florida, Dream had always attempted to “peak” in two things: Minecraft and YouTube." - This seems to depend on the credentials for Gonzalo "mitchmozey" Cardona. Is he a staffer for Ginx TV?
• https://kotaku.com/minecraft-megastar-admits-to-cheating-after-months-of-d-1847009623 "Dream is the 21 year-old namesake of Minecraft role-play mega-server Dream SMP," Nathan Grayson is a Senior Reporter for Kotaku.

There isn't a consensus for Ginx TV's reliability (there aren't any mentions of it on WP:RS/N), but Cardona appears to be a staffer for them, so it probably isn't a blog post. It is a TV network partnered with Sky Group, Virgin Media, and ITV plc, so it's not just some obscure, less-than-credible website. There does seem to be a consensus that Kotaku is a generally reliable source though, and since the author is a senior reporter, there isn't an issue with the article being a blog post either. It seems to me that we can definitely use the Kotaku source, and could even use both unless there are objections to these sources. BappleBusiness (talk) 20:53, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2021

Add "Clay" to Aliases Sanchopancho02 (talk) 18:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2021

Gogysass (talk) 01:49, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

dream is

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Drista?

Should I include her sister Drista in the "Personal life" section (like this)?

It has been reverted multiple times for being poorly sourced. I don't think it is. I included a website that is independent of the subject and that got reverted for being a "chumbox". The second reference is TommyInnit (who knows Drista & even has a Wikipedia article so Tommy is notable) talking about her. I think it's sourced and shouldn't be reverted. Cindercat 🐱 (Want to talk?) 14:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Given your callous attitude I am unsure why you haven't been taken to WP:ANI yet. Regardless, even though you clearly don't care or read sourcing requirements I thought I'd spell them out for you clearly like you're an elementary schooler. WP:BLPSPS states:

Never use self-published sources—including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets—as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article.

Thomas's video clearly counts as a WP:SPS for the purposes of the claim, as it has no editoral oversight. Heightzone is a terrible clickbait trash, for one thing, it openly cites the Dream Fandom Wikia as a source. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:39, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

We may be able to say that he has a sister from this tweet, as it passes WP:BLPSELFPUB, but those citations you've given have problems. I agree with @Hemiauchenia that the first one looks like a chumbox site. As for the VOD, it may (unlikely, but may) also be accepted if consensus is there for an additional citation of him having a sister, but it may face objections. In the end, there are very good reasons for why the bar for citations is higher for living people. SWinxy (talk) 01:11, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2021

This isn't anything super major, but I noticed under the section about the Dream SMP, you listed it with a past tense (tuned into streams) again this isn't a major thing, but that way it's completely correct. The DreamSMP is not over yet thus should have present tense not past, for example "millions tune into the streams" instead of "millions tuned into the streams". also, I appolgize if my quotations of the article aren't exact, I have bad short term memory loss and I'm afraid if I exit this I'll lose what I wrote. 50.26.255.32 (talk) 01:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Hey IP, thank you for wanting to contribute to Wikipedia! Glancing at the relevant section I don't see any obvious tense errors, and your quotation doesn't seem to exist in the article. Please feel free to reopen this request with exact quotations. Cheers! —Sirdog9002 (talk) 02:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, the source used for that past talks about streams that happened in the past. While I'm sure that millions still watch DSMP streams, the source does not say that they still do, so we can't use present case here. 15 (talk) 12:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Music Video

In the discography section the music video was Mask but now that he has removed it from youtube, shouldn't it be updated over here too? I'm removing the table entirely as there is no music video on his official channel. Please leave a clear reason if you revert my edit. WikiSilky (talk) 16:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

@WikiSilky: I think that was the right call. If we had secondary references from WP:RS, then this would be another story. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 17:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2021

to write his name 'clay' 2405:201:F00A:1D05:5CA:21C6:1547:EF99 (talk) 04:33, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please tell me where you'd like to add that. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 06:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2022

I want to go more in-depth with the dream lore.

I would like to change history. RasmusPaludanReal (talk) 19:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 19:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2022

It is confirmed that Dream is in a relationship with the YouTuber Georgenotfound. Jennynothere (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Terasail^[✉️] 10:10, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Twitch Channel

Shouldn't twitch info be added to the template for his sub and follower count like how it is for his youtube counts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DemonStalker (talk • contribs) 19:17, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2022

I would like to update the info Skye hiii (talk) 13:01, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done. Please format your request in a "change X to Y" statement. Thanks! SPF121188 ^{(talk this way) (contribs)} 13:03, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

changed the answered param for you (edit conflict) ―sportzpikachu _{my talkcontribs} 13:04, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

April 2022 Controversy

The section of the article relating to this is currently biased in criticism of Dream and is not a true, neutral reflection of events as they occurred. For example, while Dream did tweet that it was "satisfying" to see accounts deactivated after calling them out, he did this before rumours of doxing and harassment arose, and not in response to these. It is also true that Dream, in a livestream on the 13th April, downplayed the severity of doxing, however this was in the context of "reassuring victims", and only after making his stance clear: "I don't support any form of doxing... [or] threatening or harassment...never, no matter what".

It may also be useful to include the events that lead up to this, which was that Dream made his first tweet regarding his sexuality, that he received criticism for this on twitter, and that he replied to one of these such tweets, sparking unrest in his community, and leading to the possible (but unconfirmed) doxing and harassment of the twitter user. Dde13542 (talk) 23:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe Dream was making a statement about his sexuality, he was just shitposting, someone had a problem with it and Dream fans doxxed them and threatened to spill their info if unless they stopped saying bad things about Dream

Then Dream said something about ratioing lesser accounts and his statement about doxxing which got people angry and (Allegedly) resulted in his full name and address being leaked and turned into a meme. June Parker (talk) 05:07, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Dream later repeated and expanded upon the same points about his sexuality in a serious response stream, which is linked in the references. It's safe to assume that he was, after all, making a statement regarding his sexuality.

Regarding the dox, yes the alleged victim had expressed fears of being doxxed early on. However, after a few hours, she confirmed she wasn't doxxed, before deactivating her account and giving the username to someone else.

I can present screenshots of her statements, and I can present a screenshot of Dream's alleged doxxed name trending on Twitter with tens of thousands of tweets, if required. Rudy1661 (talk) 11:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

We should not be including any information about the controversy until it is absolutely clear the content meets WP:BLP. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 07:00, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

References

Trevor Project

Under the trevor project it is stated Dream did not stream for donations. He did do discord podcasts that his fans tune into on twitter spaces and on twitch streaming to tens of thousands. During the month of June Dream did 4 separate discord podcasts where he encouraged fans to sub and donate to his twitch. Around 37k dollars was raised from this. Dream himself donated 50k dollars on top of the 53k dollars that was raised during his charity streams.

• Link to 02/06/2021 Discord podcast
• Link to 11/06/2021 Discord podcast
• Link to 12/06/2021 Discord podcast
• Link to 17/06/2021 Discord podcast

Rainbow82000 (talk) 01:19, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Do you know of a secondary source that reported on this? SWinxy (talk) 18:37, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Like a news source? No I am not aware of one this was pretty insular to the fandom which was the point. Dream and his fans were raising the money so whether he was on twitch or not didn't matter. I'm not sure there is any news source or other secondary source outside of the fanbase that would even be aware these happened. These are primary sources and I can attest these all happened in June I listened to them live. Is a secondary source needed to add further context? Rainbow82000 (talk) 04:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Here's three news articles about it. While they don't focus on the number of streams, each mentions the fact that Dream streamed through other avenues at least 5 times throughout Pride Month, before that final stream on the last day. Are these satisfactory?

https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/14422/minecreaft-streamer-dream-raises-140k-for-lgbtq-charities

https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/dream-donates-140000-to-lgbtqia-charity-with-proceeds-from-pride-month-streams

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/07/02/dream-minecraft-twitch-trevor-project/ Rudy1661 (talk) 13:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

January 2021 Doxxing

My issue is with the wording, "Dream was doxxed by his fans." While many of the articles reporting on this mention the fans as perpetrators, they don't have any sources to back up that claim, and as such I don't believe they should be considered a reliable source. And I must clarify that what I say next is anecdotal evidence, but as someone who has seen the thread where he was doxxed, which happens to be hosted on a neo-nazi website, and the doxxers are definitely not fans of Dream. I am not going to link to the forum as the website isn't safe and the thread contains doxxed information, but it should be fairly easy to find if one wishes to confirm.

I can't provide a secondary source that can disprove the claim that Dream was doxxed by his fans. But I believe common sense dictates that this was not what happened. Rudy1661 (talk) 22:28, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

You need to provide a secondary, reliable source that disproves what is already reliably sourced in the article; we cannot use "common sense" for things like this, especially in regards to a biography of a living person.

That being said... do we really need to specify who doxxed him in the first place? I would argue no, and I have removed the "by fans" wording. SkyWarrior 22:50, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

That does seem to be the most sensible way to go, thanks. Rudy1661 (talk) 10:23, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Name in lead

Dream's first name is Clay. This is sourced in the Personal life section. Should we refer to him as Clay in the first sentence (i.e. Clay (born [...]), better known as Dream, is [...])? This is done in many articles, even ones where only a first name is known. The good article, Technoblade, for example, reads "Alexander [...], known online as Technoblade, was an American YouTuber [...]". Strugglehouse (talk) 21:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

There's no confirmation from reliable sources that it is his full first name. "Clay" could easily be a shortening of "Clayton", as mentioned at Clay (name). Hemiauchenia (talk) 21:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Face

Change info about privacy. 24.135.206.70 (talk) 01:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2022

Change the dream profile to his new face. FixJeen177 (talk) 01:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please provide an image with an acceptable license. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:10, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2022 (2)

I wanna change the picture into Dream's real face. MUDIF209 (talk) 01:20, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Not done for now: Please provide an image with an acceptable license. Bassfish22 (talk) 01:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Edit request

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Add Dreams real face, some users say that they need to provide an "acceptable license" for that to happen. Can somebody tell me what that means? Quinnerwinner12 (talk) 07:00, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

The image must be released under a free license. See Commons:Licensing for more info. - Pretextor (Talk) 10:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

How would somebody get a free license? Quinnerwinner12 (talk) 14:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

You ask the creator of the image. So go ask Dream if he can release a photo of his face under a free license. 0xDeadbeef $\to \infty$ 15:03, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I think We'll put it on hold for now Quinnerwinner12 (talk) 15:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2022 (3)

he did a face reveal so you can get rid of the blob 109.78.103.190 (talk) 18:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Not done: The "blob" is still the much more iconic and recognizable representation of Dream. DecafPotato (talk) 18:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@109.78.103.190 There's no copyright free image of his face available. Feel free to contact him and ask him to make one available. Strugglehouse (talk) 18:50, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2022

I would like to add more information regarding Dream’s face reveal SerlmaKnit (talk) 21:00, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:07, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Face Reveal Controversy

I don't like kicking the man when he's down but its surprising how much this "face reveal" has blown up: forbes, buzzfeed, kotaku, and time (the time article is a very good breakdown of it all) have all run stories on it. These are just the highlights, there are a lot more sources I did not cover. Celebrity pages are far outside my wheelhouse, so I'll leave this to someone more qualified here.

CNN and People have made articles that generally cover the face reveal, not discussing the backlash, if anyone is curious. The BBC did a piece on it but it seems to mostly be quoting an external source, so take it with caution. Etrius ( Us) 01:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't think we are allowed to use a face reveal picture unless it is a copyright-free image. ZetaFive (talk) 20:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't mean adding an image face, that's obviously a copyright violation unless someone has managed to track him down and take a picture of him. I'm referring to the fact that his face reveal has received a shocking amount of coverage and the 1-2 sentences on it were not enough. I see it's been expanded significantly, so its a moot point. Etrius ( Us) 00:14, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2022

Replace Dream's YouTube Icon image with his face via the file uploaded called DreamFace.jpg Heyitsmeomar (talk) 15:09, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: I can't find the image in question, could you provide a link? Also, since Dream's face is not released under a free license, it would take a valid claim of fair use to be able to show his face in the article. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 15:29, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2022

On the part talking about dreams twitch subscribers, it says the 6.2 million, and then under it says the however many thousand. However on the combined followers I believer there is a typo. This is because instead of saying 6.2__ it says 62.__. You can change this if you want but right now it says 62 million followers on twitch. Thank you for your time 2600:4040:11F4:A500:5D01:E19F:93B7:C796 (talk) 00:03, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Good catch. Thanks! Grayfell (talk) 00:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2022

Change name to “Clayton Huff” from just “Clay” His yearbook photos have been found and that is his full name 203.7.112.102 (talk) 03:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —Sirdog (talk) 04:08, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

"Mask" song/music video controversy

shouldn't the criticisms leveled against Dream for his "Mask" music video be discussed in the Controversy section? the release of the song sparked a huge debate about the depiction of ADHD and depression in it. among other things, a lot of people were particularly put off by the Dream character throwing away his medication, worrying it might influence younger people to do the same with potentially dangerous consequences.

there has also been discussion about how tone deaf it comes across since as a white man, Dream wouldn't have experienced the more severe social effects of having ADHD (i.e. bullying from other students, persecution from teachers, etc). many others struggling to cope with ADHD and depression, as well as victims of bullying, found the video to be a insult to their hardships. the video and song may have been made in good faith, but it had a negative impact nonetheless Cat-with-the-'tism (talk) 18:00, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Only if these criticisms were considered notable by reliable sources. Otherwise no. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

his main channel has 31.2m now :D

yeah 2001:99A:385:5500:6C7B:CBA2:48F0:7181 (talk) 13:10, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@2001:99A:385:5500:6C7B:CBA2:48F0:7181 Updated - thank you. Strugglehouse (talk) 16:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2022

photo edit https://i.imgur.com/PTVVrwM.png SlyTheFloof (talk) 15:13, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. (Haven't looked at the image. FFU people: if this is a bad image, feel free to trout me a lot) casualdejekyll 17:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

This image shouldn't be uploaded. We don't allow fair-use images of living people. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2023

H-h-h-h-hhii can i edit this please?? Deeeznuts1234 (talk) 03:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Cannolis (talk) 03:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Dream's Real Name

Dream's real name is Clayton Huff in accordance with all observations made into legal documents and so forth. All available evidence, including biographies, point to this conclusion, along with publicly available data that can be pulled from WhitePages. In accordance with other articles, having a known full name is preferable to simply "Clay" if it is available.

Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov (talk) 01:15, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

@Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov "Pulling data" from legal documents and WhitePages is likely a privacy issue. If it'a available, please provide a reliable source. Strugglehouse (talk) 13:06, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Dream falls under notability and thus privacy is not a concern. Multiple citations already feature the name via biography. Is there a reason for your fervent opposition to the addition of a name? Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov (talk) 09:46, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov What are you talking about? Privacy is always a concern. Please actually read the articles I linked. Please see WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:RS. You cannot put information into an article without a reliable source. "Clayton Huff" is from a doxx. You can't just link that. Strugglehouse (talk) 17:20, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure information drawn from doxxes is also not allowed on Wikipedia, and that is where I've mostly seen that name circulating. Blubewwy (talk) 13:20, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

"Clayton Huff" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Clayton Huff has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 25 § Clayton Huff until a consensus is reached. Blubewwy (talk) 22:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Redirect listing Dream's doxxed name

On the topic of Dream's real name being listed on this page, I noticed that the doxxed name, when searched on Wikipedia, redirects to this article. Shouldn't that be removed, since it is a privacy concern? I don't know how to remove redirects myself, so if anyone more experienced than I could check this out, I'd appreciate it. Blubewwy (talk) 22:32, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

You can nominate it for deletion, see WP:RFD. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:35, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks :) Blubewwy (talk) 22:45, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

1 in 7.5 trillion edit request

The article says "The team concluded that the game had been modified to make the chance of obtaining certain items needed to complete the game higher than normal; they argued the odds of obtaining the items in a legitimate way were 1 in 7.5 trillion." The team wasn't arguing that his luck was 1 in 7.5 trillion, they were arguing "[1 in 7.5 trillion] is a loose (i.e., almost certainly an overestimate) upper bound on the chance that anyone in the Minecraft speedrunning community would ever get luck comparable to Dream’s (adjusted for how often they stream)." from https://mcspeedrun.com/dream.pdf. The quote is on the bottom of the 22nd page. This pdf is from the mod team themselves, you can find it linked in the description of Geosquare's video. Fatherofchristmas (talk) 00:40, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

@Fatherofchristmas: Hello. What change to the article are you suggesting? Perhaps a "change X to Y" proposal would help. Grayfell (talk) 01:05, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't clear about that in my first comment. Change

The team concluded that the game had been modified to make the chance of obtaining certain items needed to complete the game higher than normal; they argued the odds of obtaining the items in a legitimate way were 1 in 7.5 trillion.

to

The team concluded that the game had been modified to make the chance of obtaining certain items needed to complete the game higher than normal; they argued the odds of "anyone in the Minecraft speedrunning community would ever get luck comparable to Dream's" was at most 1 in 7.5 trillion. Fatherofchristmas (talk) 23:37, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

@Grayfell, I forgot to ping when replying. Fatherofchristmas (talk) 16:23, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

@Fatherofchristmas: Hello.

Since this request appears reasonable and was made in good faith, I have made the change.

Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 20:17, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thank you very much! Fatherofchristmas (talk) 01:14, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

1 in 10 million edit request

This is similar to my previous edit request. In the speedrun cheating section, there is this sentence:

In response to the report by speedrun.com, Dream commissioned a report by an anonymous statistician, who Dream claimed was an astrophysicist, that argued the actual odds of Dream obtaining the items legitimately were 1 in 10 million.

However, the article cited (citation 47 in the article, https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/06/months-later-dream-admits-suspect-minecraft-speedruns-used-illegal-mods/) actually says the 1 in 10 million is referring to the probability “ that some Minecraft speedrunner would encounter Dream's level of luck at some point in the last year.” Also, the paper written by Dream’s statistician (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yfLURFdDhMfrvI2cFMdYM8f_M_IRoAlM/view) says “The odds are about 1 in 10 million that a small subset of any livestreamed speedruns from any player in the past year would give as low a probability if investigated in any two ways – if only the six ”lucky” streams are investigated.” This is clearly very different than the claimed odds of Dream obtaining the items. Can someone please change the above sentence to

Dream commissioned a report by an anonymous statistician, who Dream claimed was an astrophysicist, who argued the odds of any Minecraft speedrunner seeing luck comparable to Dream’s was 1 in 10 million, instead of the speedrun.com team’s 1 in 7.5 trillion.

or something similar. Fatherofchristmas (talk) 14:29, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

I didn’t use the template last time, which is probably why there wasn’t a response.

In the speedrun cheating section, there is this sentence:

In response to the report by speedrun.com, Dream commissioned a report by an anonymous statistician, who Dream claimed was an astrophysicist, that argued the actual odds of Dream obtaining the items legitimately were 1 in 10 million.

However, the article cited (citation 47 in the article, https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/06/months-later-dream-admits-suspect-minecraft-speedruns-used-illegal-mods/) actually says the 1 in 10 million is referring to the probability “ that some Minecraft speedrunner would encounter Dream's level of luck at some point in the last year.” Also, the paper written by Dream’s statistician (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yfLURFdDhMfrvI2cFMdYM8f_M_IRoAlM/view) says “The odds are about 1 in 10 million that a small subset of any livestreamed speedruns from any player in the past year would give as low a probability if investigated in any two ways – if only the six ”lucky” streams are investigated.” This is clearly very different than the claimed odds of Dream obtaining the items. Can someone please change the above sentence to

Dream commissioned a report by an anonymous statistician, who Dream claimed was an astrophysicist, who argued the odds of any Minecraft speedrunner seeing luck comparable to Dream’s was 1 in 10 million, instead of the speedrun.com team’s 1 in 7.5 trillion.

or something similar.

Fatherofchristmas (talk) 14:41, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

References

 Done Actualcpscm (talk) 15:30, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

sexual misconduct allegations?

So apparently some people accused dream of sexual misconduct on Twitter; this coincided with the #DreamIsAFreak

Klee Bakudan (talk) 04:46, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Is there any reporting in reliable sources? If such a thing is to be mentioned in the article, it needs to be well-supported and verifiable by referring to trustworthy publications about the event. Actualcpscm (talk) 15:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

A simple google search yielded many, many websites.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%23dreamisafreak+sexual+misconduct&rlz=1CADLTH_enUS1021US1021&oq=%23dreamisafreak+sexual+misconduct&aqs=chrome..69i57.4825j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=strict&ssui=on Klee Bakudan (talk) 15:46, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done, thanks for the request. Remember that you can use templates like {{Edit semi-protected}} if you have a request for an edit that you can't implement due to article protection. Happy editing! Actualcpscm (talk) 13:34, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

The section was removed due to the sources being ‘too unreliable’. If you would like to reach out to the person who made the edit about this I can ping them. B3251 (talk) 23:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

For my reasons for removing this, please see WP:BLP. None of the sources were to the high standard that we expect when including sexual misconduct allegations against public figures. If this was taken to WP:BLPN I'm sure the people there would agree with me. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:13, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

While this makes sense, shouldn’t this also be the case for Jikishi on the Dream SMP, someone who, after being exposed for grooming, deactivated all of his socials and got kicked from it? The source, like you said, is not high standard. The Dream situation is still unresolved, and there hasn’t been any update on the situation ever since about October, back when it happened, which is why I bring this comparison up. B3251 (talk) 14:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't know how relevant the comparison to another case is here, so I'm not going to comment on that. In my opinion, the sourcing for including the allegation was above the threshold largely because the sources partially linked back to the original social media posts expressing the accusations, but Hemiauchenia is right that it's better to err on the side of caution here. Actualcpscm (talk) 13:04, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Full name

Hello,

I just added Dream's full name, Clay Lucas Bryce, but it was reverted.

Dream's full name can be seen in the credits section of his song Roadtrip, which can be viewed at https://open.spotify.com/track/4Agtk2MrapdZAVN7v6PuFO.

It was reverted for being an "unreliable source", but, since this is a self-published song, I believe it can be used per WP:BLPSELFPUB.

Thoughts? Strugglehouse (talk) 20:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

That is the only mention of the name "Clay Lucas Bryce," doing a quick google search of the name shows almost zero results other than a few people in other communities noticing the name in the spotify credits as well. It very well could be a fake name and per WP:BLPPRIVACY only include when full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public. The only part of his name Dream has ever personally revealed is his first name, "Clay" and should be treated as such. B3251 (talk) 20:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@B3251 "sources linked to the subject". That's what this is. It's self published so he's not hiding it or "objecting" to it . Strugglehouse (talk) 20:38, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Again, a Spotify name in the credits does not mean for certain that it is his real name. Roadtrip itself was released prior to his face reveal, so it makes no sense as to why he would reveal his full name prior to his face given how secretive he has been in the past with his identity. There is zero mention of the name "Clay Lucas Bryce" on any article about Dream, and again, the only name Dream himself has actually given out is simply "Clay" and should, again, be treated as such. B3251 (talk) 20:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@B3251 His first name was known far before his face reveal. I'm pretty sure Clay Lucas Bryce is his real name. Do you think there's another Clay working on Dream's self published song? Strugglehouse (talk) 21:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

His first name. Just Clay. That is the only thing Dream has revealed about his personal name, and no matter what you personally believe is his full name, it doesn't mean that it's correct. Please refer back to what I've tried explaining to you before. B3251 (talk) 21:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@B3251 Yes, Clay is the name he's said aloud in a video. Doesn't mean his full name isn't Clay Lucas Bryce. As I have said, this is a self published song, meaning this is a self published source, meaning it passes WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:BLPSELFPUB. Strugglehouse (talk) 21:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay? That doesn't mean it is either. Again, given the fact that there is absolutely no source online that mentions the name "Clay Lucas Bryce". Note that it says sources, not a source. This means only one source, especially one only including a Spotify name credit, which, given the fact that no source refers to dream as "Clay Lucas Bryce" as well as the fact that he has never personally referred to himself as nothing more than just "Clay", is not reliable enough to add this "full name". B3251 (talk) 21:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2023

Under "YouTube Information - Associated Acts" I believe that Sapnap should be added to the list. He has no Wikipedia page which I think creating one should also be in order. PlayerPinkie (talk) 13:01, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Creating an entire article is far beyond the scope of an edit request Cannolis (talk) 23:17, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

change the year of dteam living together from 2022 to 2023 94.73.54.197 (talk) 20:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

"In July 2019, Samu2601 figured out the seed of a Minecraft world YouTuber PewDiePie was playing on by using reverse engineering techniques that Samu2601 learned from online forums.[11]" This bit under "2014 to 2019", is completely false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.91.47.168 (talk) 16:49, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Split proposal to Dream (Youtuber) discography

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I worked on a draft for the article, but it got declined as there was no evidence of consensus for a split, as it was a redirect. I feel that it is notable enough to have its own article, I mean, Mask already has its own article. Brachy08 _(Talk) 00:55, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

There's not enough content for his discography to have its own article. He's released five singles and one EP. Ss112 22:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Brachy0008 I don't think a list of ten things is really enough for an entirely different article. See other discography articles, such as Ed Sheeran discography. These have over 100 different items. Strugglehouse (talk) 17:11, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

4 music videos

1 EP

5 singles

tbh it's not enough for an individual article. Just because an artist has a notable song doesn't mean that his discography would also have an article. DaCrashy (talk) 00:33, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose – per above and WP:CFORK. Idiosincrático (talk) 14:25, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, Dream has 4 music videos, 1 EP, and 5 singles, which is not enough to split into discography article. Guyrichtheman (talk) 03:00, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Dream does not have enough of a large discography to warrant a dedicated article. GhaziTwaissi (talk) 22:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2023

he face reaveled but then deiced to put his mask back on due to hate and negitive coments Jfkkiller (talk) 23:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 23:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - FA23 - Sect 202 - Thu

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 6 September 2023 and 14 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Anubhutij28 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Anubhutij28 (talk) 17:07, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Can anyone make a "controversies" paragraph for me

If you checked twitter you would know what happened TommyOrVarnt (talk) 14:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Twitter is not a reliable source, though I did find [8]. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 14:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

that is actually generally unreliable. Sorry.. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 06:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Why isn't the new drama mentioned?

There are dozens of reliable sources on the topic, just search up 'dream nicholas cantu'. I see absolutely no reason for it to not be added. Cereally8 (talk) 13:25, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:DOIT. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 14:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Worth ptin out, if you do do it, make sure your sources are better than this persons, as clearly some ppl are hangin around here rdy to revert anythin that doesnt count as reliable enuf. Special:MobileDiff/1182288713

Id do it myself, but you see how i type lol; need a proper comp, not a phone, if i wanna write that much instd of just a quick edit of a typo 2601:300:4581:1540:7173:6769:5C9E:6844 (talk) 03:01, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

I found bunch of tabloid-y sources, and nothing much. Unless there are better sources than content farms like HITC, and tabloids like Dexerto, it's undue for inclusion. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Cereally8, see question 3 on the FAQ. — Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 17:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2023

Change his name to Clay L Bryce. NoamDabushkush (talk) 17:43, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done That is not his name. See Full name. B3251 (talk) 19:13, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I have to say I think you're in the wrong here. A self-published statement on their own name is pretty sufficient, your objection that it doesn't "make sense" because of a face reveal timing or some such doesn't really have any bearing on the subject. XeCyranium (talk) 11:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@XeCyranium: It was published before his face reveal, so there can be a lot of doubt as to whether it is even a real name. I'm with B3251 on this; though I would call it an WP:IAR case to not include it. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 16:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Someone misspelled doxxed

change doxed to doxxed 72.94.190.201 (talk) 13:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Doxed is a less common spelling so it wasn't really much of an issue. —Panamitsu (talk) 13:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2024

I would like to change some pictures TheDennisThatTalks (talk) 11:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Wikishovel (talk) 11:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Dream's grooming allegations

Will the allegations about dream be posted in here? not sure if it will but just asking just in case 2601:2C6:37F:ABB0:186E:AEF1:A761:AB17 (talk) 00:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Not unless reliable sources (meaning serious news organisations, and not low quality tabloid clickbait sites) take notice of them. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Sourcing for misconduct

I found a revision of this article that was reverted and it has somewhat left me confused. One of the sources cited in that revision mentioning the sexual misconduct allegations is Dot Esports, with its WP:VG/S listing saying that it is reliable. However, the person who did the revert claimed that it was it was unreliable for BLP use. On the VG/S entry though, there is nothing explicitly saying that it should not be used in BLPs, and as far as I know, I haven't seen anyone talk about the use of Dot Esports in biographical articles. Should we:
A: Mention the sexual misconduct allegations in passing, or
B: Not mention them at all and wait for other reliable sources to come out about the matter
(pinging @Hemiauchenia and @Panamitsu) — 🌙Eclipse ^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe that these allegations are even remotely due. This is because exceptional claims require exceptional sources. We would need sources with a high reputation for being reliable, such as the BBC, Reuters, CNN, etc. Dream is one of the most famous Minecraft YouTubers, or even YouTubers in general, in the world, so he gets a lot of coverage by these highly reputable sources. They have not made any comments about these allegations, and there is probably a reason behind this. —Panamitsu (talk) 12:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. These are very serious allegations, and they've only been covered by low quality sources. Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

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