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Requested move 12 April 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: WITHDRAWN BY 76.235.284.47 (non-admin closure) CookieMonster755 (talk) 03:22, 18 April 2016 (UTC)



Fox Networks GroupFox Networks Group; Fox Networks Group Europe; Fox Networks Group Latin America; & Fox Networks Group Asia – Fox Entertainment Group recently broke up its Fox International Channels division into Fox Networks Group Europe, Fox Networks Group Latin America, & Fox Networks Group Asia, while also discontinuing the FIC banner.[1] However, Fox Networks Group still exists as Fox Entertainment Group's non-sports cable networks group. – 76.235.248.47 (talk) 12:00, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

@Amakuru and 76.235.248.47: This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Contesting, and suggest withdrawal or reformat - that great big mouthful of text is clearly not a suitable article title. @76.235.248.47: what is your intention here? Were you requesting for the article to be split into four separate articles, one for each region? Obviously there is more work involved in that than just making a page move, and I think it's debatable whether the individual networks are notable in their own right, rather than the consolidated article as it is at present. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 16:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
    Comment - Well, @Amakuru:, I was unsure of how to list the new divisions that Fox International Channels was recently restructured/split into. I'm sorry if it was interpreted that I was requesting for the page for Fox Networks Group to be moved to a page titled Fox Networks Group Europe; Fox Networks Group; Fox Networks Group Europe; Fox Networks Group Latin America; & Fox Networks Group Asia. That was NOT what my intent was. My intent was to request that the international channels listing within the Fox Networks Group article be split into three articles, one for Fox Networks Group Europe, one for Fox Networks Group Latin America, & one for Fox Networks Group Asia. I suppose I figured that all that had to be done was to take the international channels listing from the article, split it into three separate listings, then place those listing in new articles for their respective channel groups. I made the request because the article, as it currently exists, contains incorrect information: Fox Networks Group is Fox Entertainment Group's American cable networks group. The former Fox International Channels division is NOT within Fox Networks Group. Also, from what I'm aware of, the templatebox (or whatever it's called) for Fox Entertainment Group (the infobox usually at the bottom of the article that links to the various properties within an organization) is also incorrect; there is no such division within Fox Entertainment Group called Fox Networks Group International. And, as far as a debate, anyone is welcome to chime in with their opinion as to whether or not it's worth it to have separate articles for each of the FNG divisions. Or, if it's easier, simply rename the article to Fox Networks Group (divisions), then place the listing for each FNG division within the article. 76.235.248.47 (talk) 23:17, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Speedy procedural close WP:RM is for move requests, not split requests. WP:SPLIT uses different processes, with different templates to indicate the process. -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 04:43, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
    • @70.51.45.100: I didn't realize there was a process for splitting articles. I suppose I should have gone with that instead of a move request. In fact, I'll request that this requested move be closed, then I'll request that the article be split instead. 76.235.248.47 (talk) 05:55, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment This proposal doesn't exactly follow the principle of conciseness found at WP:NAMINGCRITERIA though, does it?  DiscantX 11:36, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Withdrawl Well, after looking through the comments here, as the nominator of this article for WP:RM, I am hereby withdrawing my nomination of this article for WP:RM. 76.235.248.47 (talk) 05:55, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

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Split proposal (withdrawn)[edit]

I am proposing that this article be split into Fox Networks Group, Fox Networks Group Europe, Fox Networks Group Latin America, & Fox Networks Group Asia.

Fox Entertainment Group recently broke up its Fox International Channels division into Fox Networks Group Europe, Fox Networks Group Latin America, & Fox Networks Group Asia, while also discontinuing the FIC banner.[2] However, Fox Networks Group still exists as Fox Entertainment Group's American cable networks group. 76.235.248.47 (talk) 06:22, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

So, just because FIC was split up does not mean they get separate articles. FIC was a unit of Fox Network Group, not Fox Network Group. The need to separately met NOTABILITY. One article from Variety doesn't make them notable. Also, there isn't much here to split. Best to incubate them here even if notable. The more articles WP, the more editors have to monitor for vandals. Spshu (talk) 13:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Well, not sure I understand all of that, but I'll point out another possible option, one that I actually suggested in the closed discussion above: rename the article to something like Fox Networks Group (divisions).....that way, the US Fox Networks Group division can then be listed alongside its international sister divisions within the article. 76.235.248.101 (talk) 12:27, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
In fact, I'd going to withdraw the split proposal & ask for the article to be renamed to something like Fox Networks Group (divisions), that way, all of the Fox Networks Group divisions can be listed here. 76.235.248.101 (talk) 22:12, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 05 October 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline (talk) 12:37, 14 October 2016 (UTC)



Fox Networks GroupFox Networks Group (divisions) – Fox Networks Group is not the name for Fox Entertainment Group's cable networks group; what it is is the name for Fox's domestic (a.k.a. US) cable networks group. According to news articles put out recently, Fox recently restructured its Fox International Channels international cable networks group into three international cable networks groups, creating Fox Networks Group Europe, Fox Networks Group Latin America, and Fox Networks Group Asia. After proposing a split for the international channel groups from the US grouping, I was told that the three international groupings need to separately meet WP:NOTE (which they currently don't). So then, I figured a better option/idea was then to rename the article, after which the listings for the four groupings could be placed into the article under their own subsections. – 76.235.248.101 (talk) 13:25, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:42, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @76.235.248.101 and Andy M. Wang: What will be the page at "Fox Networks Group"? A titling guideline is that there should always be a page at the base page name. This request probably deserves an RM — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 15:40, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Well, could have "Fox Networks Group" be a re-direct to "Fox Networks Group (divisions)". As it is, someone looking for FNG might be looking for one of the international network groupings, not necessarily the US network group. 76.235.248.101 (talk) 00:42, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose – The rationale is unclear; does not explain why a disambiguator is needed here. Dicklyon (talk) 03:08, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
    • Support & Comment - By the sound of it, 76.235.248.101 isn't calling for a disambiguation page, but for the article to be renamed to Fox Networks Group (divisions), wherein the four Fox Networks Group groupings (Fox Networks Group, FNG Europe, FNG Latin America, & FNG Asia) would be listed in their own subsections of the article, while currently existing FNG international articles (FNG Benelux, FNG Philippines, & FNG Portugal) could be deleted, as no such FNG groupings by those names exist. So, if anything, that's nothing of a disambiguation page. If anything, a disambiguation page would be nothing more than an article simply listing links to each page. 2602:304:CEBF:8650:347C:74CD:F431:5A42 (talk) 04:52, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
      • Comment - 2602 pretty much explained what I meant. 76.235.248.101 (talk) 11:32, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
        • That parenthetical bit is what we typically refer to as a "disambiguator". Nothing about a disambiguation page. I still don't see why you'd want it. Dicklyon (talk) 05:33, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The proposed title doesn't in any way comply with our naming conventions. And there's no reason why the proposed merges would be better at the proposed name than at the current one. The divisions of FNG can be covered by sections of the article at the current title, if they don't merit separate articles; Just merge and redirect. Plus, we would still want an article on FNG, surely? So if a separate article on the divisions is wanted, merge and redirect to Divisions of Fox Network Group. Andrewa (talk) 03:20, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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