Talk:Execution of George Spencer

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A fact from Execution of George Spencer appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 November 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that George Spencer's resemblance to a stillborn, deformed piglet led him to become the first white man executed in Connecticut?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2011/November.

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Really?[edit]

This is poorly worded : "...George Spencer's resemblance to a stillborn, deformed piglet...", it should read ..."a stillborn, deformed piglet's resemblance to George Spencer.." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.40.29 (talk) 00:32, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried reading that sentence using your construct? Does not read well at all. Thanks to the beauty of English either way works, it's just that the DYK order works much better as a hook. violet/riga _^[talk] 10:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

Hi! I took the liberty of moving the article for consistency with other biographies, as the usual method of disambiguation is by the subject's "claim to fame". Spencer is notable for being a sex offender, not for being from New Haven. Does anyone have a better suggestion? Something like George Spencer (sodomy law offender) (I thought it would be longer than necessary) or George Spencer (sodomy convict)? Wonderful article, by the way! Surtsicna (talk) 12:16, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is he really a sex offender? Sounds like he was convicted without due process, so we can't really apply that modern term to what was basically something of a witch trial. We don't call the people burned at the stake for sorcery criminals today, and we don't call people who were put to death for looking like a piglet criminals today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.164.47 (talk) 18:49, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved to "Execution of George Spencer": appears to be the consensus option. DrKiernan (talk) 08:18, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

George Spencer (sex offender) → ? – Some editors raised concerns about its disambiguous title. Is he really a "sex offender"? All he did was impregnating a mother sow... Well, he confessed and then retracted over and over until he was executed, as well as the sow herself. Why not reverting the title back to George Spencer (New Haven), which was used in DYK? George Ho (talk) 10:24, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: How about George Spencer (zoophile) (or George Spencer (convicted zoophile) to be more accurate)? This is the term that would describe him if the allegation was true, and is used at Zoophilia. Skinsmoke (talk) 14:58, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I moved the article to the present title because I felt it was more descriptive (and thus more useful) than the previous one. This George Spencer is notable for being convicted for sodomy, not for being from New Haven. Thus, I would (once more) suggest George Spencer (sodomy convict) as an alternative. Another possible title would be Trial of George Spencer, given that the article is not about the trial and that it is not a proper biography. Surtsicna (talk) 15:50, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose per Surtsicna. I'm sympathetic to your argument, George. But the current title is undeniably more descriptive—I would assume "George Spencer (New Haven)" was a politician, perhaps a mayor. We could do George Spencer (Puritan), although this may be misleading since he didn't share the Puritans' religious persuasion, their defining characteristic. Leave well enough alone. There's no BLP issue here; history has deemed this man a zoophile, there's no sense in being oblique about it. --BDD (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A valid point is raised by BDD. The article isn't really about the person, but about the execution (and preceding trial) of the person. Why not Execution of George Spencer? Skinsmoke (talk) 17:46, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Execution of George Spencer per Skinsmoke. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 22:53, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support rename to Execution of George Spencer, per the above.--ukexpat (talk) 18:06, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Trial of George Spencer per WP:BIO1E. No notability outside the trial.--Staberinde (talk) 17:45, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Move request, once again[edit]

It appears it's been almost ten years since this article was moved to Execution of George Spencer. This is a deceptive title, though; the article's main topic is arguably not the execution of George Spencer, but George Spencer himself. Or at least it is more of a biography than the description of his execution. (The description of the execution effectively boils down to the one sentence "Spencer was hanged".) Suggestion: George Spencer (judicial error victim). (Former suggestions such as George Spencer (zoophile) or George Spencer (convicted zoophile) are misleading with there being no claim in the article that he was actually a zoophile. George Spencer (sodomy convict) seems most fitting among the then suggestions.) --2A02:8108:50BF:C694:CA9:17E3:CEAF:828B (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]