Talk:Gichin Funakoshi

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I was under the impression that "kan" refers to the hall where Shoto & his students trained. /Habj 09:30, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You are correct.

But "Shoto Kan", Shoto's training hall. Shouldn't that be "Shoto no kan" in Japanese? Would his students put up a sign with faulty grammar, or are such particles omitted in signs etc? -- (talk) 10:36, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


The majority of this article (everything excluding the first paragraph and last line) is taken directly from Before listing it on Copyright problems, I wanted to see if anyone wished to rewrite this article or had any information regarding the author of the Shotokan Karate webpage. I'll wait a couple days for a response, but if I receive none, I will list the page and most of its contents will be deleted. NymphadoraTonks | Talk 29 June 2005 00:19 (UTC)

Is the correct transcription "shoto" or "shuto"? Im leaning toward the latter.--Nightryder84 20:00, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I think it's "shuto". That's how my senseis, dojo and, to my knowledge, the national JKA in my country pronounce it. Piano man 00:30, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually is Shoutou User:Aleg

"Shoto", pronounced "Show-Tow", means Pine Waves and was Funakoshi's pen name. "Shuto", pronounced "Shoe-Tow", means "sword", or "knife" and is a karate technique as in "Shuto Uki" otherwise known as "Knife hand block".Adox26 (talk) 21:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

by robzombie Deleted some things and added a extremely huge biography. For questions mail to

The material added by user robzombie appears to be a cut and paste from which contains copyrighted material from other web sites. I have put the version of August 31 2005, before the cut & paste, on the temp page. --Big_Iron 21:51, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Temp page moved to the main article. RedWolf 01:11, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

This entry consisted mostly of generalized information, questionable statements and Shotokan dogma. Enough well documented research is now available in English to provide for a factual article here. Funakoshi/karate debates aside, this is but one topic in karate research, and every effort should be made to keep it unbiased. RSimpson

Major Overhaul[edit]

I intend to do a major overhaul and expand this article fully in the next week or so. Any suggestions or help welcome. Angrynight 01:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Selective delete and move[edit]

I have fixed the copy-and-paste move Simon123 performed. I also deleted revisions tainted by a copyvio from --Slowking Man 13:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

What About his 20 rules?[edit]

Didn't Funakoshi have 20 guiding principles of Karate? Why not include them in the article since its about him? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 22:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
Yes he did have 20 guiding principles called the "Niju Kun". They are referred to in this article under the heading "'Legacy'".Adox26 (talk) 21:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC) Adox26 (talk) 21:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Birth date - even year?[edit]

The text says we was born "around 1868". The infobox however even specifies a date. // habj (talk) 12:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

The Shoto Kan[edit]

I was under the impression that the Shoto Hall was on mainland Japan. If so, this should not be mentioned under "Early life". // habj (talk) 12:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

The 'shoto kan' was in deed on the mainline. Shoto is his pen name he used, kan of course can be translated as building. So in short it mean shoto's building or shoto's place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:09, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I think it is quite clear that the "Shotokan" Dojo is located in the Tokyo area. Adox26 (talk) 21:41, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Year of introduction to Japanese mainland[edit]

The introduction says 1921, the section "early life" 1922. Overall, the article is not well composed. // habj (talk) 12:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

reason to go to japan[edit]

Though not clearly stated in his bio, the reason for his move to japan was very simple, he was out of work and needed to have an income. He was invited to show his karate in japan, and then stayed hoping for a job (students) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

This assertion is unsubstantiated by any known texts.Adox26 (talk) 21:39, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Creation of Shotokan Karate[edit]

The last paragraph of this section citing Funakoshi's disappointment with the direction of Shotokan is unsubstantiated. It is also biased towards the views of the Shotokai Organization. Adox26 (talk) 21:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)