Talk:Greater crested tern

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Date Process Result
July 15, 2008 Good article nominee Listed
July 27, 2008 Peer review Reviewed
August 12, 2008 Featured article candidate Promoted
Current status: Featured article

Subspecies[edit]

Do subspecies have a taxonomic order, or is it just for species? Should taxonomic order be described or linked to somewhere? Is "taxonomic order" jargon? Snowman (talk) 11:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

HANZAB 3 info[edit]

Population[edit]

With regard to GCT population (presumably T. b. cristata) around Australia, HANZAB 3, p.608, says 'Populations - No estimates of abundance', but a rough aggregate of figures mentioned for several breeding localities, mainly of pairs or nests, indicate a breeding population of at least 100,000 individuals. Maias (talk) 03:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Mortality[edit]

HANZAB 3 also mentions (pp.607-609) disturbance by people leading to predation of eggs and chicks by gulls, predation by cats and dogs, occasionally hit by cars or bullets or killed by collisions with wires or light-towers. Maias (talk) 03:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Brilliant, many thanks, jimfbleak (talk) 06:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Phylogeny comment[edit]

Hi -

The phylogeny box towards the top of this article looks bad (at least in Safari). Should it be left -- rather than right aligned? MidgleyDJ (talk) 23:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Moved, what do you think? Looks worse to me in FF3. text is too close, but I don't know what i can do about that. jimfbleak (talk) 05:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Not sure either -- though it looks better in Safari. Perhaps convert the tree to an image. This way you could include thumbnails of each bird? MidgleyDJ (talk) 07:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm trying to get Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) to help on this. Not keen on adding thumbnails, make it too big for where it has to go in article. I might do as image if all else fails, but rather keep the flexibility of this format. jimfbleak (talk) 07:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I added a margin element. It seems to work for me. MidgleyDJ (talk) 07:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Brilliant, works in FF3, and looks even better in IE jimfbleak (talk) 08:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Greater Crested Tern/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I'm going to briefly put this on hold, for four minor points. But it's pretty much a pass already.

  • In the lead, I'd either wikilink, explain or perhaps alter "offal" for those unfamiliar with the term, or its specific meaning here.
  • In taxonomy, change "recently" because otherwise it dates that sentence too much.
  • In description, do you mean "The northern subspecies T. b. velox and T. b. velox" or should one of those be something else?
  • This might be a daft question, but the penultimate image, says "anchovies" in the caption, but its name is for "Pacific sardine". Is that correct?

However, it's an absolutely excellent article. Once those points are addressed, I'd either head straight for FAC, or perhaps a peer review first. Brilliant work. Well done. Peanut4 (talk) 00:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks for kind words. I've reworded "offal", chopped "recently". I can't believe the twin veloxes - now fixed. Changed the fish image, forgot caption -now sardines. jimfbleak (talk) 06:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Final review
GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    The lead may be too long according to WP:LEAD.
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    I just wanted to say that the images are absolutely amazing
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

This is a fantastic article. I could have easily passed it straight off and left a comment for the changes to be made. I'd thoroughly recommend a peer review or maybe even skip that stage and go to FAC. My only one minor concern would be the length of the lead, but I enjoyed reading it, and it doesn't feel right to cut it back. Peanut4 (talk) 20:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Image layout[edit]

There are several problems with the image's layout on a 1440x900 screen. Most of the text in the first section, taxonomy, is squashed between an infobox and an image. The second image in Distribution and habitat moved the title of the next heading, Behaviour to the right. Within that section again the text is squashed between two images on either side. The fourth one moves the heading Feeding to the right. And the last image of the whole article moves the last section's title Status to the right, as well. In the section Description, inches shouldn't be abreviated to in. 64.18.144.131 (talk) 00:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Old World[edit]

The opening states that "nests in dense colonies on coastlines and islands in the tropical and subtropical Old World" but then it goes on to include the central Pacific and Australia which do not appear to be part of the Old World. Does the openning need to be edited? Dbiel (Talk) 02:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

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