Talk:Hack Wilson

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Good article Hack Wilson has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
June 1, 2012 Good article nominee Listed

A League of Their Own[edit]

It has been suggested that Hack was the inspiration for the character of Jimmie Dugan. After comparing his bio with that of Jimmie Foxx, I have to conclude that the latter has a much stronger claim. Clarityfiend 01:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Home Run error?[edit]

In reading the article, it claims Wilson had 56 home runs in 1930. However, according to a linked article of home run champions by year, Babe Ruth is credited with having the most with 49 in 1930. Can anyone explain this please? ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirvice626 (talkcontribs) 07:51, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

It's by league. Ruth was in the American League, Wilson in the National League. -Phoenixrod (talk) 04:00, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hack Wilson/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: A HoF ball player I haven't substantially edited, I can review that. Muboshgu (talk · contribs) 18:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, time to start. I'm time constrained at the moment, so I'm going to do this review in sections.

  • "He is best remembered for his 1930 season with the Cubs, one of the best individual single-season hitting performances in Major League Baseball history, during which he hit 56 home runs (the National League record for 68 years) and 191 runs batted in, a mark that has withstood serious challenge for over 80 years."
    • This sentence is a run-on, and needs to be broken into two, or maybe three.
    • There is significant subjectivity in this sentence that concerns me.
I'm not sure what to do with this point; the fact that his 1930 season is recognized as such is amply documented in the body of the article, and the stats are obviously not subjective.
I like what's been done here. It's far less subjective, relying on the facts, which include that it is widely considered one of the best individual seasons.
Early life and minor leagues
  • He may have had Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, but we can never know that for sure. This section seems to present the conclusion that he indeed did have FAS, but to maintain WP:V, that should be changed to show that it is now thought to be the case. Saying that his accomplishments are "all the more remarkable" given his potential FAS violates WP:NPOV.
To the first point, we do indeed know for sure that he had FAS: His mother drank heavily during her pregnancy, and he had all of the classic physical components of the syndrome. That's how the diagnosis is made, on history and physical findings alone. All of this is documented in the cited sources; we did not make the diagnosis, the sources did. To the second point, I can see where this could be considered inconsistent with NPOV, although the point is made more than once in the cited sources; I will modify that.
I'll have to read the sources on Wilson and FAS more closely to see for myself.
Okay, according to Fetal alcohol syndrome, there are benchmarks that must be met for a diagnosis of FAS. One of them is CNS damage, which I don't believe can be proven in Wilson's case. Anyway, it does seem that there is enough circumstantial evidence, at the least, to suggest FAS, though I don't think there's enough concrete evidence to prove it. Anyway, the way it's written now is satisfactory.
  • "swinging a sledge hammer at a locomotive factory for a salary of four dollars a week" is lifted directly from the source. That needs to be rewritten, and I'll have to do a check for any close paraphrasing.
I will modify this, if it is indeed verbatim.
  • The {{by}} template should not be used in prose. Please convert to wikilinks.
I don't know what this means, but I'll find out.
There were two instances I just found and corrected.
Done, although "games played" is self-explanatory, is it not?
Not necessarily to the lay audience, or else it wouldn't have a wikipage.
  • "New York Giants manager John McGraw purchased Wilson's contract from Portsmouth for $10,500 late in the season, and he made his major league debut with the Giants on September 29, 1923" - shouldn't this be in the New York Giants section?
The purchase took place while he was still in Portsmouth and so belongs there, as I understand the conventions. I'll move the second half.
That works.
New York Giants
  • Do we know when he got the nickname "Hack"? I'm not sure why it's placed here specifically.
I've found no specific reference to this, but it might be in the new biography; I'll check.
I see this has been added, as it appears to have originated with his time in NY.
  • Wikilink home runs, runs batted in, on-base percentage, introduce the acronyms "RBI" and "OBP" at first usage.
Glory years with the Cubs
  • "lashing out with two blows" - seems overly colloquial, a possible copy-paste from the source?
I've been thinking about changing this ever since I first read it -- now would be a good time.
  • "In late 1929 Wilson signed a contract to fight Art Shires of the Chicago White Sox in a boxing match;[29] but when Shires lost a fight to Chicago Bears player George Trafton in December, Wilson backed out, claiming no benefit to fighting a defeated boxer.[30]" - improper grammar, a semi-colon makes it essentially a new sentence, that needs a minor fix.
A colon would make it functionally a new sentence. I didn't write this, but I suspect the semicolon was added to separate the internal punctuation (commas). That said, I don't particularly like the sentence as a whole; I'll modify it.

More to come. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:23, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Continuing my review, sorry for the delay...

Glory years with the Cubs (continued)
The peak
  • "(Closest was 165 by Manny Ramirez in 1999.)" This is not grammatical.
  • "began 1933 in spectacular fashion" - NPOV
  • "9th" --> "ninth", "2" --> "two"
  • Albany Senators, what league were they in? What was its classification?
I believe these have all been fixed, but if not I'll do it.
Life after baseball
The city names I understand, but are pneumonia and hemorrhage so obscure that they need linking, in an article that is already overlinked?
It's not overlinking if a term is linked once, on its first usage.
  • Only one sentence on his Hall of Fame induction? Is there anything more you can add about consideration he received for the Hall, including the writers ballot?
I will check the new biography.

That's all I can see for now. I'll add anything else I come across, and the article is now on hold for a week to allow for improvements. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:37, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll re-review this over the weekend. Can't today. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:46, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Re-reviewing now. Let's see if we can close this down. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:03, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

New issue: a sentence in the "Life after baseball" section needs a citation. "A Martinsburg street is named Hack Wilson Way in his honor." Otherwise, I think I can close this as a pass. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:34, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Found the requested citation, and in the process, discovered another street named for him! Thanks for fixing the two "by" templates that I missed. And thanks for your time/effort in doing the review. DoctorJoeE talk to me! 21:34, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Since that was the last issue, because Muboshgu is on a wikibreak, I'll promote this in his stead; I trust that won't be an issue. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Not at all. If I had more time, I would've passed it myself before my vacation, but other things came up. I was just coming here to pass it now. Good work. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:34, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I've just returned from my vacation. Thanks to all who helped promote this to GA status. Job well done.Orsoni (talk) 11:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Cardinals interlude[edit]

Towards the end of the piece, it mentions an off-season trade to the Cardinals, and a subsequent early-season trade from St. Louis. So shouldn't the Cardinals be listed at the top of the article amid the teams he played for? [sign] FLORIDA BRYAN

No. He never played for the Cardinals. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:53, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
FLORIDA BRYAN: Wilson was traded to the Cards in Dec 1931 and then traded again, this time to the Dodgers, in Jan 1932 so he never played even Spring ball with the Cards. I just rewrote several sentences in this section to clarify the issue. Thanks for bringing it to our attention! Ckruschke (talk) 16:46, 31 March 2014 (UTC)Ckruscke