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Page needs to be renamed

The page need to be renamed to Hayao Miyazaki since Miyazaki is a surname. -- Taku 01:11 Jan 25, 2003 (UTC)

This could be a controversal subject. In my opinion, person's names should always be presented in a manner which the person would call himself, e.g. Mao Zedong not Zedong Mao. However, English language has imposed its naming convention on all other cultures for so many years. As a result, Japanese people are willing to change their names to follow the English convention. The Chinese government was the first to stand up to say NO to a convention that disregards Chinese culture. It can be a headache for Japanese names because they are written the Western way even inside Japan. To complicate the matters, the naming convention within wikipedia does not allow all-cap letters to indicate surname as used in the CIA world's fact book. For example, Miyazaki Hayao or Hayao Miyazaki are ambiguous but MIYAZAKI Hayao is not. The name order is well defined in Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(chinese), but not inWikipedia:Naming_conventions_(japanese). Your login name sounds Japanese, perhaps you should contribute to define the convention. -- Kowloonese April 21, 2003

Frankly I changed my mind. I agree with the idea of Nanshu, that is we should use surname followed by given name for all of Japanese persons regardless who they are. It seems a settled convention now. -- Taku 12:04 Apr 21, 2003 (UTC)

The page at Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(japanese) still posts a question on which order to use. If the decision is finalized, the page should be updated. Japanese names are spelled the western way in Japan. So should it be Western or Japanese style in Wikipedia?? -- Kowloonese April 22, 2003
I will move this page to "Hayao Miyazaki" as his name is known in that order in the West. WhisperToMe 03:33, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Other manga

Hasn't Miyazaki also done mangas of some of his works? I know he's done Nausicaa and I seem to recall seeing at least one other. Tualha 02:28, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I saw a book series of Spirited Away, but I don't know if it was film stills or an original manga. Radagast 23:26, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
Likely film stills... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.112.113.76 (talk • contribs) .

BTW, I have made a stub section at "Manga History" now... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.112.113.76 (talk • contribs) .

Bad characters

The article says: One of the most distinctive trait of Miyazaki's films ... is the lack of either very bad or very good characters. What about Muska in Laputa? Or Repko in Future Boy Conan? Fukumoto 18:48, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Roger Wilco

"Miyazaki got to produce Castle of Cagliostro, a film whose protagonist is Lupin III, because he did well on the last two episodes of the first television series of the character. One episode features the theft of historic aircraft, the other giant robots adapted from those in Max Fleischer's theatrical animated Superman series from the 1940s. It is his adapted robots to which Miyazaki is referred in the Roger Wilco computer game."

Which computer game? Space Quest: Roger Wilco and the Time Rippers? I don't think this section is very clear... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.112.113.76 (talk • contribs) .

conclusion

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Lady Eboshi

Lady Eboshi is by no means a "so-called bad character" and I don't think she works effectively at making your point about good/bad characters. Western animation may indeed have made such a role an "evil" one, but you ought to reword the paragraph to account for the subtlety of the character in the real movie. I think that Yubaaba is a much more suitable example.--Malcohol 12:46, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've made the change to Yubaba (perhaps there is a better example). Also, I've used "Yubaba" rather than "Yubaaba" as that's the spelling in the Spirited Away article.--Malcohol 08:49, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Eboshi works fine as a multi-faceted villain: she's destroying the forest and she's out to kill characters (San, the wolves, the forest spirit) that the audience identifies as good and right. She's not all bad: she eventually changes her mind about killing San et al., she eventually gives in to running Irontown in a more ecologically sound manner, and all along (as was written in the article) she's made a productive home for prostitutes and lepers. She's a great example of a complicated villian. Yubaba works too, though now there's very little explanation of her multifaceted nature in the article: the sentence on her doesn't really convey how she is both bad and good, but rather assumes she does bad things and mentions that she does one good thing (care for her baby). --Tarnas 17:48, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I accept your point about my Yubaba example. Personally, I never read Lady Eboshi as a villian at all. If I remember correctly (and perhaps I don't), the first time we encounter her she is a defending her band against the attack of giant wolves (for whom we haven't yet developed sympathy). I think would be more accurate to view Lady Eboshi as a morally ambiguous character than a multi-faceted villain. Perhaps a return to Lady Eboshi along the following lines?--Malcohol 09:04, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

One of the most distinctive traits of Miyazaki's later films that sets them apart from classic Western animation (like Disney) is the lack of stereotypically "good" or "bad" characters. His characters have complex motivations and while some can be better or worse than others, they are often capable of growth and change. For example, Lady Eboshi from Princess Mononoke stands in oposition to the other main characters, and her iron works blatantly exploit the nearby forests for wood. However, the character doesn't fit the standard role of villain: we see that her iron works provide a productive home for lepers and former prostitutes. In contrast, some of Miyazaki's early films featured undeniably evil villains (Count Cagliostro in Castle of Cagliostro or Muska in Laputa) while others are remarkable for having no villain at all (Kiki's Delivery Service and My Neighbor Totoro). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Malcohol (talk • contribs) .

That works. It shows how a Miyazaki character in the oppositional role isn't necessarily a villian. --Tarnas 19:22, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Done!--Malcohol 12:00, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Spoilers aren't usually good, but here they're bad for a billion reasons, three of which are: one, they're in the middle of the article; two, long and elaborate "concrete details" are a staple of high-school essays, but they are not required for encyclopedia articles, and if you don't believe me, check your library's encyclopedia; three, there was NO SPOILER WARNING GIVEN!

I also added a reference to Yubaba, if you're going to refer to the lack of stereotypically bad characters in the plural, then it's good to have plural examples.

If you must insist on having spoilers, put them either at the beginning or the end, with a spoiler warning, because that's how spoilers are handled in just about every other article, I think.

And, really, if a reader wants to know more about Lady Eboshi, then that reader will go to the Princess Mononoke page. 67.180.40.190 05:03, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Top grossing Japanese film

Does anyone know definatively what is the highest grossing Japanese film? This article says that it is Spirited Away, but an editor of Films that have been considered the greatest ever says that Howl's Moving Castle is the highest grossing. Which is it? Please reference a source if you can. -- Samuel Wantman 19:37, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Citations needed?

Suppressed the overzealous tags about lack of sources and references. All the references to Miyazaki's box office success are common knowledge. Moreover, they can be found in the article dealing with the movie. Dilane 06:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

hi, I am sorry about that. I was just trying to get things in shape and make it sourced for people that may not know nothing about Miyazaki. I think I did go a little over board... but I just want to bring it to attention that the article does not have many sources at the moment. Alus 06:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

That's not really what fact tags are for. Citations are simply not needed for things that can be plainly seen in the films, or that are common knowledge, such as box office figures. Many of the facts in the biography section come from Helen McCarthy's book, which is cited. There's not a wealth of reliable English-language information about Hayao Miyazaki, and McCarthy's book is an invaluable resource. It's not the quantity of references that make an article reliable, it's the quality of the references themselves. Comme le Lapin 18:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Animator's animator?

I did a bit of editing and extracted the quote from Nareek below to effectivelly correct this statement. Animator's animator is not only a bit condescending but also incorrect in the case of Miyazaki. Terms like musician's musician, author's author expresses the notion of a "cult" figure influencing a lot of artists but pretty much unknown outside the artist circle. Plainly (i know that it takes John Lassiter to introduce Miyazaki movies in the Disney distribution)Miyazaki is not a cult figure. So I suppressed the reference in the introduction, created a sub section and put it before trivia. Obviously this can be vastly improved. 

.... Dilane 02september2006...

"::Speaking of which, isn't it a little odd that this article starts out noting that Miyazaki has been compared to a number of obscure (though no doubt wonderful) animators? It's kind of like saying "Marlon Brando, who is thought to be in the same league with [name of some Ruritanian actor no one's heard of]..."

No offense to the fans of these guys, I'm sure they're great. It just seems a little strange to be using them as a gauge of the talent of someone as famous and acclaimed as Miyazaki" Nareek 20:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


Picture

Does anyone want to see a real photograph of Miyazaki being used for this article instead? Shawnc 07:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes please! Why is a personal drawing being used to represent an actual human being? There must be tons of pictures available that comply with fair use. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.154.149.130 (talk • contribs) .

I dunno--there's something kind of appropriate about using a cartoon to represent an animator. Though there's plenty of room in the article for another image--I was thinking of moving down some of the movie shots into the Theme section. Nareek 06:06, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Is this cartoon a self-portrait by Miyazaki? If so, I think it's appropriate to keep it, as it would illustrate both the man and his art simultaneously. However, if this is the case, the caption should be changed to reflect it. If it's not a self-portrait, I would recommend substituting a good photograph. Docether 14:34, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

That portrait is by User:Tarnas.

Anyone likes any of the following pictures?

[1] [2] [3][4] [5]

Shawnc 00:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Either #2 or #3 would be great.--Andrewjnyc 20:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Definitely Number 1 --Apoc100 19:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I think #3. #1 I think would need to be shrunk and then it would not be so good. #2 and #4 seem to have technical problems. #5 is a little severe. Nareek 20:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

2 looks great. I do like the cartoon portrait and if possible i think it should be kept somewhere in the article but the infobox should definately have a photo 88.107.24.251 18:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Image 1 is excellent. Please add it to the infobox. It shows Miyazaki San as he looks now (or recently) and it's of a high quality. I think it would be a really nice addition. Comme le Lapin 20:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
What happened? How come the drawn image is still in the infobox, after all this time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mackan (talk • contribs)
The drawn image is free content, these images are copyrighted. We can't use non-free content just to illustrate the person in question: see #8 and #5 in Wikipedia:Non-free content#Examples of unacceptable use. --h2g2bob (talk) 22:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Oscar template

Moving it down seems like a good idea to me. Nareek 16:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I was trying to figure out a good place for it the other day, but couldn't think of one so I just left it where it was. Looks good. (^_^) --日本穣 22:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Information about his personality and public persona

I'd like to add some information about Miyazaki's personality and public persona, but I'm not sure where it would fit on the page. For example : he very rarely grants interviews, and is well-known to be an "all work, no play" kind of guy. To me, these are interesting facts that illuminate (or perhaps offset) his "personality" as expressed through his films. Any thoughts on how to best include this info? Docether 18:05, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it would be fair to characterize him as "all work, no play." He does seem to work long hours and drive his staff to do the same, but he also stresses the importance of real-life experience as the basis for doing animation--you can see him in the extras for Spirited Away being mildly exasperated with his staff because none of them know what it's like to take care of a dog. You can also see him cooking ramen for his staff--he's obviously enjoying himself.
To answer your question, I think you want to read what people who know Miyazaki have said about him and quote from their reports. Nareek 16:15, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
As best I can tell, however, Miyazaki works virtually all the time -- this article says "away from the limelight this white-haired little professor leads a monastic existence (all work, no play, TV or internet)." However, even if he does work long hours, as you point out, he seems to incorporate play in his work (and perhaps views his work as play, as some artists do). This seems to fit well with the common perception of his character -- he certainly doesn't appear to be a somber drudge. ;)
In any case, care to suggest any other resources for fleshing out this part of the article? The Guardian article I linked to above takes pains to point out that he rarely gives interviews, so this will mostly be from third party observation of his habits. Docether 17:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
His son's blog on Nausicaa.net talks a bit about Miyazaki as a father. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 19:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Best Animator of all times

In IMDB's ranking of best animation films Mr Miyazaki stands out well ahead of Walt Disney. Besides the animation, the stories he tells are so enthralling and entertaining that I would be very surprised if they dont appear at the top of any film ranking.

¿Can this be mentioned? In my case he has become a cult figure along with names such as Kurosawa, Hitchcok, Ridley Scot, Ingmar Bergman or Billy Wilder.Cgonzalezdelhoyo 20:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

He is without a doubt the best animator of all times. --Yancyfry jr
I think he is most certainly the finest animator (and one of the greatest storytellers) in history. But I don't think this opinion should be included in the article, because as much as I believe it, it's still a point of view. Comme le Lapin 20:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Rumours of stroke

Rumours have been circulating LiveJournal and possibly other places to the effect that Miyazaki died of a stroke on July 1. This appears to be untrue[6]. Not sure if this is worth incorporating into the article, but since several people came to this article looking to see whether the rumours were true, I thought I'd note it here, because the correction never travels as fast as the original story. --Calair 22:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Flying Machines

Just a minor point, but I would like to see some mention of Miyazaki's love for flying machines in particular and flight in general. It's not a feature of every film, but extravagent flying machines are featured in Kiki, Porco Rosso, Cagliostro, Laputa, Nausicaa, Howl (and probably a few more).Leeborkman 05:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. There's a flying section in almost all of his films. Also, something could be mentioned about how his father ran an avionics company (I think), leading to this love of flight and flying machines. davekeeling 20:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Marxist

I've reinstated the marxist comment with a source, Ex-Nintendo Employee. If you object to that source, I will quickly find another. Finite 20:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

It's clear that Miyazaki no longer identifies as a Marxist, yet I think that the present edit is misleading, particularly to an American reader. My sense is that Miyazaki rejects Marxism because of its very un-Miyazakian identification of good guys and bad guys--not because he dismisses concerns about the negative effects of capitalism. His critique of capitalism is if anything clearer in his "post" Marxist films, like Princess Mononoke (with the iron factory) and Spirited Away (with the bathhouse in general, but particularly with No Face).
I guess what I'm asking is--does anyone have a better cite for Miyazaki's current politics that's more specific than "rejecting Marxism"? Nareek 21:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


Marxist schmarxist. The source about the marxist influence in his work doesn't actually give any substance tot he passage in the wiki. "Once an active Marxist and a vocal figure in labor unions, he has allowed his political alliances to influence how his protagonists are portrayed (Nausicaä was actually not meant to be a princess, which would ostracize her from his working class ideals). He has since "exorcised" Communism completely due to its perceived fundamental flaws." That's what the so-called source says. It gives no quotes of Miyazaki himself, and gives no examples. Obviously "Nausicaa was not meant to be a princess" doesn't imply anything about working class ideals. Any fool knows that regardless of political ideology, making a character a princess makes her different and "noble" and separates her from the non-royal common characters. If somebody can come up with an actual example of Marxism being "allowed to influence how his protagonists are portrayed", go ahead-- good luck though. 69.95.39.34 02:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Found source on all this. Interview with Mr. Miyazaki himself. Search for "marxism" in the page. [7] I'm going to add it to the main article. Wilderns 17:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Flying Phantom Ship

Should something be mentioned of his role in animating the giant robot in the film Flying Phantom Ship? As I understand it he was largely unknown back when he did it. Esn 20:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Picture

I love the little anime picture, but shouldn't there be a real picture as well? Perhaps lower in the article? Jachra 07:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. I think the picture is inappropriate, it appears to be fan art. when you click the picture, the file caption is thus; "This is a picture of him by en:User:Tarnas." In fact, the user has submitted several drawings of people. There should be a real picture of Miyazaki, or a drawing by Miyazaki, not fan art. I am going to remove it, but I will not object if it's re-submitted.--Macca7174 13:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

It should be an actual photograph of him, not a user-made drawing. That's ridiculous. 68.123.227.117 14:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The current interpretation of Wikipedia policy is that commercially copyrighted photographs of people can not be used. This drawing however was mentioned at Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use#drawings_as_replacement_to_ALL_fair_use_photos.3F. Shawnc 17:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The above statement does not understand the concept of "fair use". Any copyrighted image which fairly, accurately, and relevantly depicts the subject matter (assuming no free version is available) is absolutely fair use and should be used. However, whoever uploads such an image will have to explain which page it is intended to be used on and how it is used, in order that it not be used anywhere else. Using a fan-art image is a bad idea since the image is not official in any sense. -- abfackeln 00:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that this ridiculous looking drawing needs to be removed and replaced with a good photograph of the man. That, or this en:User:Tarnas fellow needs to produce a drawing that actually looks like Miyazaki, at least to some degree. I seriously doubt that there cannot be a single decent, usable photograph out there that can be used in place of this mess.

I replaced it with a more appropriate photo. If it doesn't meet wiki guidelines, feel free to remove it. Or I'll go home and draw a better portrait of Miyazaki, because honestly the one that was here previously was horrible. FACT50 21:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see the first topic titled Picture. A photograph is definitely preferrable to an illustration, especially in the infobox. If an illustration is included in the article at all, I recommend the scribbled Miyazaki self-portrait, that appears in the Miyazaki - Moebius book. Comme le Lapin 20:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Interviews

Here are links to pages about two interviews with Miyazaki:

--Monocrat 19:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Adding below --h2g2bob (talk) 00:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Influences

Some questions on the latest edit:

1. Are we putting the Japanese influences first because they're the most important/obvious, or because Miyazaki is Japanese?

2. Is the resemblance to Kurosawa something that has been pointed out in sources?

3. Is cinematography a proper term to use when discussing animation?

4. Should the mention of Japanese folklore at the end of this section be moved up, or should the Princess Who Loved Insects reference be moved down?

Nareek 19:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

In answer to your third question, yes, cinematography is a proper term to use when discussing animation. Drawings are photographed by a camera operator, who follows storyboards as directors of photography do in live-action films. Comme le Lapin 20:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Akira Miyazaki

Isa Akira Miyazaki, co-screenwriter of The Wizard of Oz (1982) any relationship to Hayao? Joe Hisaishi worked on that film prior to working with Hayao. Could this be their connection? --Scottandrewhutchins 02:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Messy

In October 2006 "A Trip to Tynemouth" by Miyazaki ブラッカムの爆撃機―チャス・マッギルの幽霊/ぼくを作ったもの (単行本) by ロバート・アトキンソン ウェストール (著), 宮崎 駿 (編集), Robert Westall (原著), 金原 瑞人 (翻訳) ISBN-13: 978-4000246323 was published in Japan.

Does anyone else think this bit looks messy? I don't think there's any need for so much Japanese text, and to be honest I can't figure out what it's supposed to say. davekeeling 20:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Too much non-Romanized text is disruptive to the reading experience. I've edited this already. Comme le Lapin 20:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Affinity for Pigs

Why has no one mentioned Miyazakis love of Pigs?? He often doodles self portraits of himself as one, as well as using them in many of his conceptual designs. I can't remember where but I believe on nausicaa.net there is a trivia section with a mention of this?? FACT50 07:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Howl's Moving castle link

the link connects to the article about the book, not the film. i wasn't sure if this was intentional so i've left it as is —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Therandomoctopus (talk • contribs) 11:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

Original Research?

Another visual element commonly found in Miyazaki's films is the use of character designs that are similar in appearance. Audiences humorously consider this to be an artistic perception that such characters are actors and actresses who reappear in his films.

This sounds like original research to me. While I agree that there are many similarities between his characters, I don't think this belongs in the article. If no one has any objections, I'll remove it. davekeeling 15:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Also, "Lack of Stereotypical Characters"? I love Miyazaki movies, but please. Castle in the Sky, in particular, managed to string together just about every anime cliché in the book. It had a plucky boy hero and dead parents, for god's sake. Kyle543 01:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

The entire part about Narrative themes is full of original (and in fact partly erroneous) research. It might be important to say some words on the "Miyazaki style", thus we do need such a passage. However, I say removing it entirely, and replacing it with a shorter, source-based research passage that concentrates on the actual things portrayed in the movies without interpretation, would be beneficial. Problematic passages include:

  • Much of Miyazaki's work is styled as bildungsroman in that it depicts the path of personal growth and changes of a character from childhood to maturity. In the beginning, the protagonist (almost always a girl) is usually naïve, overly reliant on others, or selfish...
  • Miyazaki's elder female characters can be seen as representations of the crone or goddess-mother figure
  • In Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind, the crone figure is seen as a witch, but by the end of the film, she has captured the hearts of the children of the Valley of the Wind, and they describe to her the golden field. - this last one is just plain silly. Wilderns 18:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've set out to clean the Narrative themes part up. The following passages make sense in my opinion, but sources need be found:

  • Much of Miyazaki's work is styled as bildungsroman in that it depicts the path of personal growth and changes of a character from childhood to maturity. In the beginning, the protagonist (almost always a girl) is usually naïve, overly reliant on others, or selfish. As the story progresses into a crisis, the character is confronted with challenges, hardships, and failure, which she learns to overcome by relying on her own will and inner strength. In the end, these characters are able to make their own decisions and gain self-reliance. Many of Miyazaki's films feature a male protagonist, who often becomes the female character's first romantic relationship, as well as an elderly woman, who begins as an antagonist, but later reveals her good nature and motherly tendencies by providing essential help.
  • Miyazaki's elder female characters can be seen as representations of the crone or goddess-mother figure, the wise woman of the villages portrayed in his films, or the Earth Mother herself. In Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind, the crone figure appears as the eldest woman of the valley. In Spirited Away, this crone is an evil witch, although she turns out to have a good side, as do many of Miyazaki's characters. Finally, the crone-mother-witch figure is seen in My Neighbor Totoro as the elderly neighbor who is called Granny. - I've removed the glaring nonsense from this passage.I'll leave it here, in case someone wishes to look for sources for it.
  • His pro-feminist views are exemplified by the strong-willed female protagonists in nearly all his films. Even Miyazaki's ancillary female characters share these traits. During the opening crisis in Princess Mononoke, three young farm girls are running from a monster. When one trips and falls, her companions, who could have continued their escape, stop running; one helps the girl who has fallen, and the other draws her blade for defense, despite the seeming futility of their actions. Wilderns 18:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
A quote from Toshio Suzuki:
"Miyazaki is a feminist, actually. He has this conviction that to be successful, companies have to make it possible for their female employees to succeed too. You can see this attitude in 'Princess Mononoke.' All characters working the bellows in the iron works are women. Then there's 'Porco Rosso.' Porco's plane is rebuilt entirely by women."
He was speaking on The Birth of Studio Ghibli, a video by Studio Ghibli, based on a Japanese TV program. Suzuki speaks in Japanese, this text is from the subtitles. It is included on UK Nausicaä DVD. --h2g2bob (talk) 18:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I know videos aren't the best source, but it's also on the region 1, region 4 and French language releases too, so should be verifiable. --h2g2bob (talk) 18:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

ANPO Hantai

I've removed this text because it is unsourced WP:BLP.

Miyazaki was also influenced by his political background in the ANPO Hantai (opponents of the US-Japan Security Treaty) and labor movements of the 1960s. These political roots had an influence on the themes of his films.

Feel free to re-add if a citation can be found --h2g2bob (talk) 07:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Temporary dumping ground for sources until I (or you!) put them in the article properly. --h2g2bob (talk) 12:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Structure

I've added 2 sections, "Character" and "Creation process and animation style". I'm not really sure where to put them, so if anyone has any ideas on how to order the sections to make sense, please suggest here, or better yet just go ahead and fix it. --h2g2bob (talk) 01:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed sentence

I removed this sentence: (he is a director of "SUPERFLAT MONOGRAM" of the anime film for the shop promotion of Louis Vuitton and "The Girl Who Leapt Through Time")

  • Because the grammar is absolutely horrible and I'm not sure what it's even trying to say
  • Because I'm not sure if it's relevant

If you feel it should be put back in, at least ensure it makes sense please! davekeeling 14:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

"Relationship with Isao Takahata" section

This part looks like it went through Babelfish a few times-It doesn't make any sense. Unless someone thinks they can make sense of it, perhaps just remove it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.134.248.240 (talk) 20:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Hayao Miyazaki and Isao Takahata have been working together many years on multiple projects. I don't quite understand your request. The section completely fits with the article. WebYoungProgrammerMsg me 16:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Themes & devices

I thought this section was a bit confusing the way it was divided into visual and narrative subsections. To get rid of overlap and make it clearer, I restructured it and touched up some of the text. I hope it works better this way. While Miyazaki's love of flying and and special visual styles are obvious, I put in a "citation needed" for both. It would be good to see these things backed up with some quotes or something. Also, I was thinking about mentioning something about Miyzaki's view of children and growing up here. They're such central themes in Totoro, Spirited Away, Kiki's, etc, that I think they deserve mention of their of own. What do you think? HertzaHaeon (talk) 02:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

"Television" section

Someone's been at the Babelfish again. Can we get a re-write of this section? Hardly any of it makes sense and it lacks references. I don't want to delete it and I don't have any research on the subject myself Silverwood (talk) 10:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Nausicaa Giraud

I've been trying to find a source for Moebius' daughter Nausicaa, but my french is so rusty I can't make anything useful out of the bios I've found. However, there's a Nausicaa Giraud at IMDB, which is proof of her existance at least. I guess it's not very valid as a source, but I'll put it here if someone can make something of it. HertzaHaeon (talk) 00:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Relationships

The "Relationship with other creators" section has been almost incomprehensible and unsourced for a long time now, and much the information can be found in other parts of the article. How about we remove the section altogether and move what can be salvaged to Inspiration? HertzaHaeon (talk) 01:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

My Story

he is awaesome city in japan nemed his last name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZakHotay (talk • contribs) 11:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Childhood section

When cleaning up the Character section, I couldn't fit this quotation in anywhere, so I'm saving it here for now:

...children's souls are the inheritors of historical memory from previous generations.

— Hayao Miyazaki

I'm thinking that a Childhood subsection under Themes and devices could work, and the quotation would be good there. HertzaHaeon (talk) 21:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Moved from television section

I moved this paragraph out of the article due to its awkward construction. I didn't want to just clean it up without sources, but I can't find any that address this topic that I can read well enought to use, while the cite in the paragraph seems to be a book I can't access.

:Future Boy Conan was the TV animation series that Hayao Miyazaki had directed for the first time completely.

This work was a big bet for Hayao Miyazaki who was worried whether to keep drawing a layout under Takahata untouched or to stop the work of anime. And, he won the bet and worked as a director after that. In making this work, Miyazaki invited Yasuo Otsuka[1] who was a superior in the Toei Animation age and an elder friend as a partner on the drawing side. In those days, Miyazaki who had been drawing a layout and a storyboard, a picture, etc. in Takahata's work ("Heidi, Girl of the Alps", "3000 Leagues in Search of Mother") was the frustrations. Since the direction of Takahata who pursues realism compels the controlled play to the character, he as animator was dissatisfied.

To make the frustration emanated, Miyazaki made Future Boy Conan full of the action scene.

Hopefully someone will be able to fix it, and bring it back to the television section. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 14:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

He's mistaken as the creator

A LOT of people think Grave of the Fireflies is his because of the drama & art design. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.236.220 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Television

His films are shown pretty often with english subtitles on Turner Classic Movies, upcoming showings can be found at [8]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.243.15.155 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

ghibli founding

It is mentioned studio ghibli was co-founded with takahata, it was but it was also founded along with toshio suzuki the current chief producer and president of ghibli —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Discordance (talk • contribs) . 21:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Image

It's pretty inappropriate to use a portrait for a bio; it's much much preferable to have a non-publicity shot. I think the image should be removed... especially since it's up for deletion on commons. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 06:51, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

This isn't a publicity shot. It's a drawing by a wikipedian. It also looks like it will be kept (i.e. not deleted). Calliopejen1 (talk) 11:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Call me weird, but it strikes me as rather undesirable to use a drawing or portrait to illustrate the biography of a living person. I'd just like to hear the logic for using this image as opposed to anything else. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 22:34, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Obviously inappropriate. Even a "No Free Image" image is better. Aurora sword (talk) 06:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, thank goodness, it's gone. See here for why. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 08:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Manga and Themes

I have created a new page on themes and have moved the entire section on “themes and devices” to this page. I have replaced them here with a brief summary of his major themes. This is to tidy the bio page up to standards. I could not find any other creator bio on wikipedia with a themes section, not even a creator as analysed as Shakespeare or Kafka, and I found it was too long and contained too much sideways detail on the films to belong on his bio. I modelled the new page on a similar one for Jane Austen as this seemed the best guide. Please feel free to contact me if you want to work on this section together or if you have any ideas to improve it. Silverwood (talk) 14:33, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Should the manga and the themes section be in the studio Ghibli article?--4444hhhh (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't think they should be there, but I'm open to good arguments. For now, I've reverted the move. As they are now, the themes are specifically focused on Miyazaki himself, not on the studio as a whole. Moving them should require rewriting them to focus more on the studio than Miyazaki. HertzaHaeon (talk) 23:35, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Marxism

Would someone either clarify or delete the mention of evident Marxism in Porco Rosso? Frankly, I don't see too many Marxist themes in the film, except anti-fascism. The only working class people in the film are Fio's family members. Most of the rest are either pilots or upper-class socialites who are also rather romantically portrayed. Even the pirates are pretty nice fellows. Class warfare doesn't seem to be a theme.137.22.121.95 (talk) 07:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Too many images

For an article about the man, this is rather overloaded on images of Miyazaki's films, rather than of him. Apart from quite probably failing to meet the fair use rationale, they also really should be limited to the film article in question. --Lets Enjoy Life (talk) 21:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Off the top of my head, the Mononoke image under creation process and animation style seems to be reasonable. Maybe the Howl's Moving Castle poster can stay. Maybe. ~Itzjustdrama C ? 22:20, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Architecture

Miyazaki was one of the people who drew the architecture for the Ghibli Museum. maybe worth mentioning under "other work"?--SelfQ (talk) 22:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Sounds more like something to include in the museum article to me, if you can find a reference for it.HertzaHaeon (talk) 13:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Multi-article spread in Variety

Seems Disney may be doing some sort of build-up to the release of Ponyo. They have a four article spread with a gallery, available here: Animation Legend: Hayao Miyazaki. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

"Whisper of the Heart" under Themes and Devices section?

Should that really be there? Hayao Miyazaki did not direct Whisper of the Heart, but he did the screenplay or something for it. Should we still consider it "his work"?209.195.77.100 (talk) 21:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Animation work on the films

Does he do all the animation himself. I don't think so. Why does no one mention this in the anime details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.32.31 (talk) 09:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Pacifist or anti-war?

I noticed that the article claims "pacifist" claims to be present in Princess Mononoke. The case could be made, but I think Anti-war would be a better term. The protagonist is a warrior, after all, and though he tries to prevent death and war, he still uses violence. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.164.23.230 (talk) 23:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

That is original research. We need a reliable source that has commented on this, Wikipedia is a mouth-piece of mainstream reliable-sources. And if that "pacifist" claim doesn't have sourcing (I haven't checked) then it should be deleted.--174.49.24.190 (talk) 22:51, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

The place of rumors in an article

Although it is fact, I would ask if mentioning a fake rumor has a place at all in this article (Works - year 2005). It would seem that this rumor was no more than a publicity stunt, and there is little mentioned about it regardless. I would request anyone with any opposition to removing the offending segment

Later that year, Chinese media reported that Miyazaki's final film project would be I Lost My Little Boy, based on a Chinese children's book. This later proved to be faked news.

as well as its accompanying citations, [13] and [14], please leave a note and your reasoning below; barring any objection I intend to remove the segment on Oct 20th as defined by UTC. Friecode (talk) 23:02, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Rumors that are unsourced or that are presented as factual have no place in Wikipedia. In this case, however, it is sourced as a false report by the Chinese media (reliable sources, I assume; I can't read Chinese). That is not against any Wikipedia policies that I know of, and I see no reason it should be removed. Cresix (talk) 23:28, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
From the standpoint of the article though what does it contribute? This rumor merely acts as advertising for the media outlet that "faked" (according to the article) the report. The faked report does not belong in a section titled "Works", and not in the article at all unless it is of any significance. In its present state the report is utterly irrelevant, not invalid. Friecode (talk) 20:38, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Filmography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_Earthsea_(film)

this film needs adding. Also, it looks a bit messy. Is it wikipedia standard to list them according to the role Miyazaki had... this is what the third section seems like. It may flow better to have a table like the filmographies of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Forster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Mendes

The role Miyazaki played and the identification of short films vs. feature films can be made in this way to have a much clearer presentation.

What are peoples thoughts? Wuku (talk) 11:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a great idea, I was surprised there wasn't already a chart like that; coming from the Studio Ghibli page, that was exactly what I was looking for. Organizing the "Works" section would be good in my opinion. As you mention Sam Mendes' Works section is far easier to understand. Friecode (talk) 20:50, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Nick Park

It seems unlikely he could have been influenced by, or be compared to, a director whose first film didn't come out until Miyazaki had already produced at least two and one of them probably his most famous before Park's first, Creature Comforts. 174.91.6.42 (talk) 13:46, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Accuracy

In a cursory look through the biography here, I am not finding the information in McCarthy's book that is being cited. I am reasonably concerned for some material's accuracy, but I think the intention was well, but the accompanying source was not provided. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 22:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Dumping ground:
  • "During this time, Miyazaki drew airplanes and developed a lifelong fascination with aviation, a penchant that later manifested as a recurring theme in his films." - Bad placement, inaccurate as a result, source page doesn't match. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 22:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • "Miyazaki's mother was a voracious reader who often questioned socially accepted norms." Contested - not in text. Removed. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 22:22, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

miyazaki criticized abe?. 　Vague disinformation.

　miyazaki did not say the name of the person who criticized it.　The Westerner makes a story without the conclusive evidence.　211.122.221.224 (talk) 06:00, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Do not make an article at a guess.

In 2003, Miyazaki won an Oscar for his film Spirited Away. However, he did not attend the award ceremony. After 6 years, he finally claimed he did not want to go to a country which was "bombing Iraq", in reference to the ' War on Terror '. At the time, he was advised to keep his opinion to himself, most likely in fear it would affect the relationship between Studio Ghibli and Disney.


most likely?? most likely?? most likely?? 211.122.221.224 (talk) 07:37, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

He however broke his protest to the U.S.

in reference to the ' War on Terror '. He however broke his protest to the U.S. in 2009 to attend the San Diego Comic Con, as a favor to fellow animator and friend, John Lasseter, the director of multiple Pixar films.

Where is the original source of information? 211.122.221.224 (talk) 07:50, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Zero

Quote from the article as it stood after my second edit on January 11, 2014. "Among the planes used in the film is the Mitsubishi A5M, a predecessor of the Mitsubishi A6M Zero." Previously the article only mentioned the use of the Zero as a Kamikaze plane. I've left the following note hidden inside the article: "The latter (-- the Zero --) was in service from 1940 and was flown on its first combat mission in China in August 1940. The zero was used by the Japanese forces in too many ways to mention, perhaps most notably in the continuing invasion of China, the attack on Pearl Harbor and as Kamikaze aircraft in the final years of the War in the Pacific but has no flight time in the Miyazaki's film. ( <ref>{{cite journal| last=Penney | first=Matthew | title=Miyazaki Hayao’s Kaze Tachinu (The Wind Rises) | date=August 5, 2013 | journal= The Asia Pacific Journal: Japan Focus | volume=11 | issue = 30 No. 2 | url=http://japanfocus.org/-Matthew-Penney/3976 | website= Japan Focus| accessdate=January 11, 2013 }}</ref> ) Why single out only Kamikaze from the operational history of the Zero in this article?" Can someone answer that question before changing the text to reflect the history of the Zero in that section of the article?Verso.Sciolto (talk) 04:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Retirement revoke

Apparently Miyazaki has done a u-turn on his retirement once again, the source apparently being a Japanese radio announcement on New Year's Eve. 147.197.251.155 (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I added that bit in now. Surprised no-one got to it earlier since multiple sites are confirming it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.9.197 (talk) 20:39, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
I'd love to be proven wrong on this but as far as I can tell there is nothing definitive in these reports. Has Hayao Miyazaki actually publicly commented himself or is it the same speculation that Toshio Suzuki has been repeating since the retirement press conference in July? Sounds like the latter to me. Suzuki has said before that he believes it is possible that Miyazaki might make another film - which the second hand reports then change into a declaration from Miyazaki himself. Nothing in this radio show indicates anything new or definitive, as far as I can tell. The retirement press conference was picked up by TV stations and every major print news outlet. This has not been .... As I said, I'd love to be proven wrong on this but I at the moment I'm not personally convinced, for whatever that's worth. Can you please identify which other sites are confirming this? Hayao Miyazaki did not appear on this radio show.Verso.Sciolto (talk) 21:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC) I have updated my previous comment. Info added, some of my own opinion text removed, additional information regarding alternative sources requested. Verso.Sciolto (talk) 06:30, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

inconsistent naming of films

Some places use the english name (i.e. "The Wind Rises") while others use the Japanese ("Kaze Tachinu"). This does not seem to relate to national releases. unsigned comment posted by 12.22.204.1

Makes sense to unify them. Since The Wind Rises is the official -translated- title for this release and the film has its own article under that title, I've removed most of the Kaze Tachinu instances from this article. The only mentions of "Kaze Tachinu" I have left are related to the Manga - which has no English language release- and a mention in the quoted title of a referenced article. Verso.Sciolto (talk) 20:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC) Minor edit to add author of comment above, changed section title and moved it to the bottom of the page.Verso.Sciolto (talk) 20:37, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
  1. ^ "World of Hayao Miyazaki and Yasuo Otsuka, 宮崎駿・大塚康生の世界" (the material collections of works with which these two persons were concerned) was issued in December, 1982.
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