Talk:Heimdallr

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Geirrendour[edit]

Removed name "Geirrendour" here and in other articles as I can't find any trace of this form.

I have removed mention of "Norse society" as the ending indicates an intended Danish setting, not a Norse setting. I might have change it to "Scandinavian society", but that suggests a geographic limitation on the extent of the three races founded by Heimdall that probably wasn't thought about one way or the other by those who wrote or listened to such stories.

Removed information that Heimdall was a "light" god and "moon" god as can find no trace of either. He was a "white" god, but that may not be the same as a "light" god. "Moon god" is a strange POV identification for a god who lives at the end of the rainbow. If someone provide a source, then it is probably worth including, simply as an odd hypothesis.

There are a lot of poor links to this article.

Some just link back to Heimdall while others link to entries that give no more information than does the Heimdall entry. That is annoying to anyone who clicks on them. Such sub-stubs might belong in a mythological dictionary but I don't think such sub-stubs belong in any encyclopedia.

I'll wait about a week, but unless someone objects, I'm going to start changing these short Norse myth sub-stubs to REDIRECTs and emove the links to themfrom Heimdall and from other articles as I find them.

Jallan 00:37, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

this is almost a copy of this url.[edit]

http://www.thorshof.org/zheimdall.htm i think wiki should provide additional info before this can be considered wiki content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.10.25.60 (talkcontribs) 14:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Hallinskíði[edit]

"Heimdall's nickname Hallinskíði ("Bent Stick") also appears as a kenning for "ram", perhaps referring to the bent horns on a ram's head."

The name might also refer to the Gjallarhorn which may have been what is known today as the Bukkehorn, an ancient Norwegian instrument made from the curved horn of a ram or goat, useful for communication and signaling as well as frightening away wild animals while herding sheep. If I or someone else can provide a source verifying this association it would make an interesting addition to the article. Cerdic 16:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


Coming from the hometown of Henrik Ibsen, Skien, many years ago I stumbled upon a book (no longer in my posession) where Heimdallr is associated with an older (pre-viking era) deity known as Skiða. Skiða was in this book associated to a horse cult. It would be interesting if anyone could substantiate this information. --Xact (talk) 22:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

"Skíði" (also the germanic-scandianvian variations) is from the same family word as my romanian "găteje" or greek "caduceus". It means stick (or pole/branch/twig/wreath) of wood. Heimdallr is Hermes/Mercury, folks. Check the common characteristics: rooster and messenger/herald of the gods. Bigshotnews 01:16, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Burtgang[edit]

According to the Japanese wikipedia Heimdall's sword was called Burtgang, however there are no sources for this and searches have turned up very little. Anyone who is alittle more knowledgeable on the subject care to comment? ブルドガング —Preceding unsigned comment added by 諸行無常 (talkcontribs) 07:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Heimdall's sword was not called Burtgang, so I encourage anyone who edits the Japanese wikipedia to delete this information as fast as possible. –Holt TC 18:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

- I would like to know the reason why User:Holt is so bombastic about this? Bortgang make sense in Norwegian. Bortgang in Norwegian give the meaning 'to die', literally: 'to go away'... It is still in use. This discourse on the Asatru points at two important questions: - 1) Is Asatru to be taken seriously as a living spirituality, albeit in various processes of reconstruction - in regard of re-encountering the oriental sources/influences of the Asatru (a.k.a. faith of Asia) - and in regard of the re-occurence of shamanic practices (i.e. entheogenic medicine) that has been supressed for centuries? - 2) In stead of saying that Heimdall's sword is not called Bortgang. It would be correct to say there are little or none known written sources telling that Heimdalls sword is called Bortgang. The question is regarding to what extent do written accounts have supremacy over what might be of oral transmissions. Is it not true that the old pre-christian spirituality of Scandinavia have survived among a variety of peoples of the east described already by Snorri Sturluson and evolved to this day among the Sakhya and Bön, the Tuvanese shamans and others unknown or unbound by the occidental epistemology. How oriental traditions are rendering the Norse spirituality is of uttermost interest as it should be beyond doubt that the Norse religion/shamanism/spirituality may provide a very fascinating field of research that may deconstruct the east-west dichotomy. --Xact (talk) 00:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the user above you was overzealous in saying to undo "as fast as possible" that edit, but are you saying that asians have followed asatru in some kind of unbroken chain, in any degree? I would like to know where asians have followed asatru at all period; sourcing of that would be highly interesting to me as I would likely be want to throw such a convinced statement aside as ludicrous. 4.242.174.238 (talk) 10:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Just so we're clear, Xact's rant above is complete and total nonsense (trolling?), and Holt was quite right to call for the immediate removal of misinformation. :bloodofox: (talk) 23:02, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

-dall[edit]

The main article states the unknown origin of the affix "dall" in the "Heimdall" name. In some central-norwegian dialects, "dall" or "dallj" usually means a worker or a even a slave or a lazy man of the countryside. This in addition to also meaning "a good portion of" butter (as in "smaer-dallj") or a decent portion of anything else related to cooking. The word is still being used by elders in parts of Norway.

An older meaning of the word can also be referring to a bowl with a lid on it, as suggested by for instance Bokmålsordboka (a norwegian web dictionary).

The meaning of -dallr I thought was of not so much dispute, as the word is still in use in Norway: 'å dolle'... which means to make beautiful or valuable. It is etymologically linked to english 'doll'. In spite of traditional understanding I believe -dall to have some connotation to valley (norwegian 'dal'), as it seems plausible to associate the meaning of dallr (beautiful) with the beauty of the valley. Heimdallr is thus simply meaning the beautifying spirit of origin, of home.. I associate the meaning of Heimdallr to the etruskan (?) Lares, being the deity of home, or locality per se.--Xact (talk) 23:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xact (talkcontribs) 23:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The icelandic language thus contains the word "dallur". —Preceding unsigned comment added by KibyNykraft1976 (talkcontribs) 23:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

While all this is interesting, simply have Wikipedia's policies on original research in mind. You are of course more than welcome to find reliable sources that count these etymologies as plausible explanations, and add that information to the article, properly sourced. –Holt (TC) 23:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Grimm thinks the name has something to do with the heavens, pine-trees and mountains, implying that Heimdallr was originally a god of wooded mountain-tops (which links to Perkwunos rather directly). But Grimm is also aware that this is only speculation. There is no clear interpretation for the name. --dab (𒁳) 12:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Please move to Old Norse Heimdallr[edit]

Would someone please move this article to the Old Norse version (Heimdallr) rather than the current arbitrary choice between the two anglicizations (Heimdall, Heimdal)? :bloodofox: (talk) 15:27, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, if no-one objects I'll move it later this week. Haukur (talk) 00:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
It's been more than a month and no objections so I moved it. Haukur (talk) 20:28, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Recent Rewrite Status[edit]

I have recently rewritten this article and created or rewritten a few related to it (Gjallarhorn, Nine Mothers of Heimdallr, Himinbjörg, Heimdalargaldr) from scratch. Here's what the article currently needs:

  1. A 'Theories and Interpetations' section mentioning the major theories on the god (the Yggdrasill connection, the ram connections)
  2. More in depth discussion in the etymology section

And likely some careful copyediting. Rígsþula also badly needs some well-referenced love (rewrite, anyone?). Enjoy! :bloodofox: (talk) 22:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Whitest of the Gods[edit]

If there's no reliable source asserting that one of Heimdall's titles include "Whitest of the Gods" I suggest removal of this line. There's a lot of recent activity related to citation tags being added/removed. I suspect this title may have been added only because of fan outrage at the casting of a black actor for Marvel Comic's film version of Thor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.66.17.115 (talk) 05:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

You have therefore not read the article. Go back and ctrl + f "whitest of the gods". You will then find multiple citations, including discussion on the matter. The lead section of the article is a summary of its contents (Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lead section)). Said Marvel comics film controversy seems to have resulted from some sort of dubious joke on the part of the film makers. :bloodofox: (talk) 06:20, 8 May 2011 (UTC)