Talk:Hudson Yards (development)

Commments

This article is very much under construction at the moment, and I'm sure I will reorganize it.--MainlyTwelve (talk) 21:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I'd like to submit a revision to this page. The "Design" section notes that Kohn Pedersen Fox is responsible for the master plan and only two buildings on the site, but in fact the firm designed four buildings (towers 10, 30, and 55 as well as the retail building with Elkus Manfredi Architects). This is all previously mentioned in each building's individual section, and also outlined here: Thank you! HenryHampton (talk) 20:26, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

References

Sources

In preparation for the formal opening of the complex next month, Related's PR push has resulted in the publication of a few longform articles through the various organs of New York Magazine:

• http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/hudson-yard-billionaires-fantasy-city.html
• http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/stephen-ross-hudson-yards.html

--MainlyTwelve (talk) 20:10, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Some more:

• https://indypendent.org/2018/10/countmein-movement-marks-one-year/
• https://indypendent.org/2018/09/countmein-protests-breed-solidarity-as-developers-blackball-unions/
• https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2019/02/20/labor-divide-deepens-in-ongoing-battle-with-real-estate-at-hudson-yards-862584
• https://commercialobserver.com/2018/07/how-countmein-campaign-is-just-like-janus-v-afscme/

--MainlyTwelve (talk) 05:03, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

More:

• https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/09/nyregion/hudson-yards-new-york-tax-breaks.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

--MainlyTwelve (talk) 22:21, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

More more more:

• https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/14/arts/design/hudson-yards-nyc.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

--MainlyTwelve (talk) 20:27, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Popular culture section

I removed these entries as they are un-referenced per WP:V and WP:RS. epicgenius (talk)

Entries

Hudson Yards can be seen through the window when Dmitri is running on a treadmill. It can later be seen when Dmitri is on the phone outside at night in the horror movie, The First Purge (2018).

In the 2018 comedy movie, Like Father, when Rachel and her father (Harry) return to New York from a cruise, the Manhattan skyline is shown with the Statue of Liberty. Hudson Yards can be seen in the distance.

Hudson Yards can be seen in the second season of Iron Fist.

In the 2018 movie Pad Man, Lakshmikant is invited to speak at the United Nations. He explains the Statue of Liberty and it then shows the Statue with Hudson Yards visible in the background. The complex is also seen in a montage of establishing shots.

In the drama comedy film, Someone Great (2019), Hudson Yards can be seen in a night establishing shot of Midtown Manhattan.

Hudson Yards can be seen through the window when Ray and Erick are eating in a restaurant. This is in the 2019 movie, High Flying Bird.

In the 3rd season of the Netflix Original Series Marvels Jessica Jones: Hudson Yards can be seen under construction in some episodes. In the 2nd episode it can be seen down the avenue when Trish is walking into a building.

Image

Recently promoted FP on Commons taken from the west side of Manhattan has a view that's not quite represented in the article. As there are an awful lot of images in here already, though (and given it's a bit wide), I'm just going to put it here and leave it to other editors to judge whether it should be added. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 17:53, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Just a heads up that I replaced the infobox image with a different one recently promoted to FP on Commons.

It's a 43 megapixel panorama taken from the top floor of Hudson Commons, and it seemed particularly well suited for an infobox image. Leaving this message here because I feel slightly uncomfortable adding a second prominently displayed image in the article. Please revert if controversial. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:18, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

50 Hudson Yards / Foster and Partners

With regards to this revert, Foster and Partners is not responsible for the master plan. So it would not be correct to name them in the "architect" parameter of the infobox. However, they do seem to be the architects of 50 Hudson Yards by itself. I think this can be noted in the infobox, but with a parenthetical note such as "50 Hudson Yards only". epicgenius (talk) 20:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

I have just done the above. epicgenius (talk) 20:22, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

It's master plane designed by Foster and Partners from Hudson yards official site https://www.hudsonyardsnewyork.com/work/50-hudson-yards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.6.155.158 (talk) 06:59, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

That's not what the site says, though. It says that Foster and Partners designed 50HY, but nothing about the actual master plan. epicgenius (talk) 20:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hudson Yards (development)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Vami IV (talk · contribs) 09:01, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Opening statement

In reviews I conduct, I may make small copyedits. These will only be limited to spelling and punctuation (removal of double spaces and such). I will only make substantive edits that change the flow and structure of the prose if I previously suggested and it is necessary. For replying to Reviewer comment, please use  Done,  Fixed,  Added,  Not done,  Doing..., or  Removed, followed by any comment you'd like to make. I will be crossing out my comments as they are redressed, and only mine. A detailed, section-by-section review will follow. —♠Vami_IV†♠ 09:01, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Review of this absolute unit will begin once I have slept :). —♠Vami_IV†♠ 09:01, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: While you're active, we're not quite done here yet. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 16:25, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• Major office tenants include or will include fashion company Tapestry, consulting firm BCG, and Alphabet subsidiary Sidewalk Labs. Can you elaborate, for consistency, what these last two companies are/do?
  •  Done. I replaced Alphabet Inc. with a description of what Sidewalk Labs does. epicgenius (talk) 22:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Site and structures

The interactive map is a nice touch that I think I'll be emulating in the future. Must have been a pain to put together, though. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 13:54, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

• Actually, the interactive map was pretty easy. I just took all the coordinates from the buildings' respective articles. epicgenius (talk) 22:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

• Could you expand on the two sentences under the section header with a general description of the development and its contents, present and future?
  •  Done
• and was the first structure in Hudson Yards structure to be occupied by tenants The second "structure" is redundant.
  •  Fixed, another word was intended. epicgenius (talk) 22:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
• It is designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox Past-tense, please.
  •  Done
• above ground level and be level with the High Line. to be level?
  •  Fixed
• Bank of China, Deutsche Bank, Wells Fargo Wikilink these.
  •  Done
• Another law firm, Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy, would occupy 250,000 square feet Would or will occupy that space?
  •  Fixed They will move there. epicgenius (talk) 22:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
• blowing 45 miles per hour (72 km/h) air Re-order this.
  •  Done
• 60,000-US-gallon (230,000 l; 50,000 imp gal) rainwater storage tank. Ah, for the runoff water, right?
  • Yes. epicgenius (talk) 22:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Neighboring projects

• I question the need for this section. After all, it's not about the Hudson Yards. I suggest condensing and moving this section to "site and structures" with a description of the general location.
  • Moved up. epicgenius (talk) 22:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

History

• which would have risen 1,750 feet, Put in a Template:Convert here for our Metric-using friends.
  •  Done
• In June 2005, Sheldon Silver voted against the stadium, definitively eliminating the possibility of support at the state level and the possibility of the stadium's construction. Sorry, who, and why are they important?
  •  Fixed Sheldon Silver, convicted felon who served as Speaker of the New York State Assembly from 1994 until 2015. epicgenius (talk) 23:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
• master plan known as "Hudson Place" and "Hudson Green" When did this property become known as Hudson Yards?
  • These are completely different. "Hudson Place and Hudson Green" was just one of the proposals that was considered and rejected prior to the current Hudson Yards master plan. As stated later on, Tishman Speyer, and later Related Companies, were ultimately selected. epicgenius (talk) 23:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
    • Ah, my bad. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 04:42, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
• After pilings for the Shed adjacent to 15 Hudson Yards were completed, construction on the Shed began in mid-2015. This can be shortened; see: "After its pilings were completed, construction on The Shed began in mid-2015 adjacent to 15 Hudson Yards."
  •  Done, but went with another wording. epicgenius (talk) 23:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Financing and ownership

• While a New York Times article Replace with "The New York Times".
  •  Done
• described the $6 billion as "tax breaks", Wouldn't this be a tax break? And if it's not a tax break, it kind of undermines that narrative to describe the package as $6 billion in investments and tax breaks.
  • These were multiple tax breaks, not a single tax break. These are described in the next few sentences. epicgenius (talk) 16:36, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
    • Right, but I don't know if the little more than $1.36 billion is referring to that package. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 17:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
      • Nevermind, missed that you changed the text. We're good to go now. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 17:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenants

• and Alphabet subsidiary Axe.
  •  Done
• Repeated citations here: and Facebook once it opens.[35][36] 50 Hudson Yards would also be occupied by Facebook.[35][36]
  •  Done

Design

• Citation [187] is repeated without interruption in the first paragraph.
  •  Removed

GA progress

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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 11:09, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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Hudson Yards in October 2019

• ... that Hudson Yards (pictured) is one of the most expensive real estate developments ever built in the United States, costing $25 billion? Source: NY Times 2019
  • ALT1:... that Hudson Yards (pictured) was built atop an active rail yard? Source: Wired 2014
  • ALT2:... that Hudson Yards (pictured) was developed after the failure of plans for a stadium in the West Side of Manhattan? Source: multiple

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sabine Lake ‎

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 15:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC).

• GA status, QPQ done, all hooks are sourced. I prefer ALT0 and ALT1 over AT2. Copy vio is down, but should be good to go. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 19:29, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Comments for a future FAC

@MainlyTwelve: Continuing from yesterday, if this article is a viable FA candidate in the future, it will need to be polished a little. Right now I think it meets GA criteria, but for FA, I'd recommend the following:

• We need to standardize the citations. All citations should use WP:CS1 templates because the majority of them already are CS1 citations. We need to look at the |author=, |work=, and |publisher= fields to see if all works from the same website are consistently formatted. For instance, should it be New York Post or The New York Post? In addition, we have to check if all citation titles match up with the ones in the sources. If there are any dead links, they should probably be fixed. If a field such as access-date is provided for all similar templates like {{cite web}}, it should be consistently applied; e.g. there shouldn't be any {{cite web}} template that has no access-date.
• In general, we should make sure there isn't any out of date information. Since the first phase of Hudson Yards was completed only a few years ago, there still may be some sentences that have a future/present tense when it should be past tense.
• We should also ensure that no significant fact is unsourced, especially one that may be contested. It's all right to not use a source for obvious stuff, like Hudson Yards is in Manhattan.
• The grammar should also be reviewed thoroughly. FACs can and have been archived due to poor grammar. I suggest WP:GOCE and/or WP:PR, but also see User:Tony1/How to improve your writing, which has some good exercises for how to do this.
• For the site and structures section, I would make sure that the summary of information is consistent for each building. For example, height should either be mentioned for all the towers or for none of them. For the other sections, I would make sure all the information is comprehensive, especially the history. While all important historical aspects should be mentioned, it shouldn't go into too much detail about unrelated developments.
• My largest concern is that the article may still fail FAC if enough reviewers do not think this page is complete, due to Phase 2 not having been completed. This may not occur for several years. This is a reason why Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/One World Trade Center/archive1 had failed six years ago (before I really got the hang of FA criteria).

I hope this feedback helps. Epicgenius (talk) 18:13, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, @Epicgenius:. I will start working soon, even if the fact that it's not complete might get in the way it would be good to do some improvements. — Mainly 22:20, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Goldman involvement and withdrawal

Does anyone know why (with source) Goldman Sachs withdrew from the project? — Mainly 20:39, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

chart

Hey, I think it would be helpful to add to the page a chart like This one showing the buildings of the New World Trade Center, with pictures of the buildings. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.202.19 (talk) 16:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

There was a further or similar request here on the article page itself, from 174.59.7.41. Since we don't discuss articles within themselves, I am moving it here. It was under the header "Site and structures" and reads Please add a reference chart of buildings in this section. Hope this helps, best to all, DBaK (talk) 23:15, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I think such a table is unnecessary. Every building in the complex is already adequately summarized in prose, and a table already exists in Hudson Yards, Manhattan#List of buildings, but of course others may disagree. (I also think the WTC table is unnecessary, but it seems to help people, so I could add one here if there's agreement that it would also help for the HY article.) – Epicgenius (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that was also me, AAEexecutive (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC). Really what I'm looking for is pictures of all the buildings in one place like in the WTC article, but I guess a whole chart would probably be unnecessary. Maybe there could be a picture column in the Hudson Yards, Manhattan#List of buildings chart. AAEexecutive (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC)