Talk:IIT Kharagpur

Articles on Halls

Hello, everyone. Great article, but I think you've gone a little bit overboard with the student hall articles:

2. Bidhan Chandra Roy Hall

4. Homi J. Bhabha Hall

5. J.C.Bose Hall

6. Lala Lajpat Rai Hall

7. Meghnad Saha Hall

9. Nehru Hall

10. Patel Hall

11. Radhakrisnan Hall

12. Rajendra Prasad Hall

14. Vidya Sagar Hall

16. Ashutosh Mukherjee Hall

17. Old MBM Hostel

18. Pandit Madan Mohan Malviya Hall

These articles contain little if anything of interest except to possibly the residents of these halls, and no claim of notability is made. I don't see much material here that would make even a summary article in the vain of List of MIT dormitories notable, but maybe you can. In the state they are in, I think they are best deleted.

See also the discussion with one of the authors at User_talk:Ambuj.saxena#Old_MBM_Hostel, WP:VAIN and in particular WP:BAI. Greetings, Sandstein 06:54, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

In response to the debate mentioned, I have moved all individual Hall articles and articles associated with student life (not academically related to IIT Kharagpur) to Student Life in IIT Kharagpur. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Undergrad programs heading has no mention of B Arch.Buntygill 12:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 20:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Audis

Did I miss them or am I right in saying that there is no mention of SNB, F142, F116, Netaji, Kalidas, Takshshila etc? Bunty.Gill 09:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

There is mention of Netaji and Takshashila in the article. I see that you have added the mention of F-142 and F-116. Info on SNB would be too much trivia. Info on Kalidas will be added when it gets inaugurated (I believe it is still under construction). — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

From newspapers, I gather RGSOIPL was inaug. in Kalidas Bunty.Gill 13:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Info added. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Faculty

There shd be a sep heading for imp faculty like PP Chak, GS Sanyal and SN Banerjee of EE (the world's most highly cited author in chaos theory!!)Bunty.Gill 09:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Any addition of this nature would require verifiable sources. I couldn't find any that would back these claims. If you find any, we can change the section title "Alumni" to "People" and add another paragraph about the faculty. Note: By itself, "important" is very subjective, and we will have to concentrate on why and how they are important. GS Sanyal is definitely one of the most renowned professors, and the school of telecommunications has been named after him. If we can find some info on him, it would be great. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The issue of "importance" is definitely arguable, but what is not is that faculty are at least as important as the students. PPC's verifiable source is facweb, GS Sanyal info will be available somewhere and for SNB it is ISIHighlycited.com - the fact that *you* are unaware/against something does not mean it can not be added here. Bunty.Gill 13:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You got me wrong. Even I want the info on the page, but for it to stay there, there should be verifiable sources. For example, I couldn't find verifiable sources for SN Banerjee. Even the link provided by you returned no match. Facweb does not mention anything notable, just research interests. Also, he is no longer dean of SRIC. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Brit spelling

What makes FAVOUR favorable over FAVOR?Bunty.Gill 13:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

According to the conventions of writing India-related articles, the use of Indian English (which is closer to British English) is favoured over the American counterpart. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 10:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

KGPian

There is no info about the alum newsletter (or is it my blindness again). I 'll do this soon. Bunty.Gill 06:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Alumni is a sexist term and has to be replaced with either "Alumni/Alumnae" or "Alums" as the accepted convention. Bunty.Gill 06:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The conventions of Wikipedia, as set by Featured Articles, is that the word "Alumni" be used as the common noun. Also the Usage section of the Microsoft Bookshelf states that the word "alumni" be used unless there is a need to distinguish the women separately. Because of these, I went ahead and replaced the original usage. Also, I couldn't find the word "alums" in any dictionary, so have used "alumni" instead. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 10:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Need to check if info about Gopalakrishnan (Tata Sons) is present. If not, add it. Bunty.Gill 06:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Added. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:22, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

AntiRagging measures

This needs mention - maybe under Student activities, if absent as of now. Bunty.Gill 06:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Added. Have a look at it and see if its enough. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 14:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks OK,though more details needed. Will add. Bunty.Gill 04:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Distinguished Alumni and life fellows

(To do) these have to be mentioned in alumni...

       Life fellows: Dr. Purnendu Chatterjee	

Sri Brijendra Kumar Syngal Dr. Satyendranath Das Professor Anadi Sankar Gupta Mr. Vinod Gupta Mr. Arjun Malhotra Dr. Suhas S. Patil

       Distinguished Alumni:
       Mr. Vinod Gupta	1993

Dr. Praveen Choudhari 2003 Professor V. Kulandai Swamy 2003 Prof. Lord Sushanta Kumar Bhattacharyya 2004 Shri R. Gopalakrishnan 2004 Professor Anjan Bose 2004 Professor Prem Vrat 2004 Dr. Srikumar Banerjee 2004 Mr. A. C. Wadhawan 2005 Prof. Sanjay Kumar Banerjee 2005 Mr. Bijoy G. Chatterjee

I am not sure adding this would help the article in any way. These people have been awarded by the institute itself and not by a third party. Though this information might be acceptable for the articles of these people, it doesn't bring anything unique about IIT Kharagpur that it awards "Distinguished Alumni" and "Life fellows" awards. Every institution in the world does that. Also, please try to model the article on lines of other featured articles of similar type, like University of Michigan and Michigan State University. We should avoid lists as far as possible. Also, we need to see that the article size does not become too large. A good encyclopedia article should be crisp, and at the same time comprehensive. I am changing back to the paragraph form of the article as is the convention and need for article to represent Wikipedia's best work. Note: I am preparing this article for FAC, and hence, we need to keep track of all criteria in WP:WIAFA. We should take care not to include Weasel Words, Peacock phrases, and other words best avoided. I hope you understand what I mean.

PS:I am all for including the external link of distinguished alumni in the external links section, as it is quite relevant. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

On further note, if you really feel that these details are important, you can sure go ahead and create the article IIT Kharagpur people (or a similar article with a name of your choice). This article's Alumni section can be made a summary of the said article. The summary form exists as it is now, and the details can be added in detailed article. However, personally, I don't feel that all these details would be encyclopedic. But anyway, you may go ahead if you want. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 14:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The List of notable Indian Institutes of Technology alumni can also be tweaked to to give IIT wise listing, and there's definitely a scope of more detail addition. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Nina Saxena Excellence in Technology Award

The Nina Saxena Excellence in technology Award is an India-wide first of its kind award that is open to all Indian Technologists (and not just to IITians). It is aimed at motivating Technical innovations for India and at social development. A committee chaired by the director IIT Kharagpur, deans and well known alumnus based in India and US will judge the nominations. It has been set up through an endowment of IIT Foundation. The nominations will be judged on the following criteria: a) Innovation above and beyond well known results b) Novel Application of a well known result c) Societal improvement d) Benefit to India e) Application of Technology to underdeveloped areas and causes

More details are available at http://www.iitkgp.ac.in/topfiles/nina.php and at the tribute web site http://www.ninasaxena.com

We should include info about the alumna herself as well as the newly instituted award. Bunty.Gill 19:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

If we include Nina Saxena Award, we would also be forced to include other awards like "Rajender Kumar Khanna Memorial Award" which would make the list unmanagable. The only difference with Nina Saxena Award is that it is the most recent of all constituted awards. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:21, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe a list of awards? Bunty.Gill 22:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I had to really dig hard to find out a central database of such awards, and was really stunned to find so many I hadn't ever heard of. If you want the listing, I can mail the PDF to you. According to the UG regulations handbook given by the institute, there are a total of 6 medals, 2 endowment medals, 38 awards (Nina Saxena Award belongs to this category), and 21 endowment scholarships recognised and awarded by the institute. This list does not include hall-wise academic awards. Including them would unnecessarily bloat the article. The article is already on the higher side of precribed size for such articles. Also, so much details would be unwarrented from encyclopedia's point of view. Did you notice that this article doesn't even mention the departments in IIT KGP? The reason is similar to the one for award. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Moving page

It has been suggested that this article be moved to Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur. (Discuss here) — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Best Institute in India?

The intro says KGPIIT is considered one of the best Engineering institiutes in India. I believe we can make a stronger statement than that. Some time ago, an international study (I don't remember the name right now) identified the IITs as the third best engineering institutes in World, after MIT and CalTech. We should add that in the intro. Loom91 11:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The ranking you are talking about is The Times Higher Education Supplement university rankings for Technology (2006). However, the ranking you mentioned was given to all IITs together, and not just IIT Kharagpur alone. This info is present in the parent article, where it would be more relevant to discuss. Regards, — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Comma

Shouldn't there be a comma mark (,) after "Indian Institute Of Technology", which will be followed by "Kharagpur", so that the name reads like this: "Indian Institute Of Technology, Kharagpur"? TathD 18:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Not necessarily. It isn't in the logo, after all. Brutannica 21:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

This is a confusion among many people. In fact, most of the IIT articles were created with wrong names. If you see a couple of discussions above, you will find that even this article started with the wrong name, and was eventually moved to the correct name. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Excimer Laser!!

Who exactly is the inventor of the excimer laser on the Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur wiki page 1) Mani Lal Bhaumik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_Lal_Bhaumik) or 2) Dr.Rangaswamy Srinivasan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excimer_laser). I'm just a curious corrector and hope someone with more experience looks into it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.221.175.235 (talk) 15:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

Misprint in the motto

There is a misprint in the last word of the motto. Comparing with the text in Devanagari, which is कौशलम्, the transliteration should be Kaushalam (with short a).

--Zdeněk Wagner 16:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality

Regarding the Alumni section: Terms like "warm rapport," "filled a void," "showcase of a plethora of events," "great moments and achievements" are NOT neutral in any way. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Indian Institute of Technology

This article uses the template {{Infobox Indian Institute of Technology}}. This template was forked from {{Infobox university}} way back in 2006. The template {{Infobox university}} has been completely rewritten since then, and this forked template has not benefitted from these improvements. From the point of view of maintenance, a few standard templates are better than a collection of many specific ones.

If the template {{Infobox Indian Institute of Technology}} in this article were replaced with {{Infobox university}}, the only parameters that would be lost are |alumni= and either |deputydirector= or |registrar=. (One of either Deputy Director or Registrar could be included using the parameter pair |head_label= / |head=.) The number of alumni depends, for the most part, on how long the institute has existed, and so I would suggest that this is not very useful information. As Deputy Director is senior to Registrar, I would suggest that the latter could be discarded. An advantage of switching to the template {{Infobox university}} is that the parameter |mottoeng= would start to work.

I therefore suggest that the template {{Infobox Indian Institute of Technology}} in this article is replaced with {{Infobox university}}. HairyWombat 21:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Later. Done. HairyWombat 16:39, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

FA Review of the article - Archive repasted here

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Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur

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Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Notified: Ambuj.Saxena, India noticeboard, Universities WP

This is a 2006 FAR that has not been reviewed since it's promotion. The problems here are quite similar to those found in the Indian Institutes of Technology article, currently at FARC. Large unsourced sections, including statistics and opinion and several dead links, leaving other areas effectively unsourced are major problems. Poor prose, poorly updated statistics and multiple dab links are also issues. Dana boomer (talk) 16:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Section by section analysis:

History

• Quotation shouldn't be in curly quote thingies.

Admissions and Academics

• First paragraph is kinda short. Can it be integrated?
• LAOTSE and 5 year integrated Master of Science are redlinked. Are either important enough for articles?

Sponsored research

• Ministry of Information Technology is redlinked. Is it important enough for an article?

Institutes and departments

• One sentence section, no sources. Also uses "recently established" which is a vague term.

Festivals

• "Breathe" links to a dab page.
• Should Led Zeppelica be linked?
• Use of "etc." is a copout. There should be no reason to use "etc." in article text.
• Last two paragraphs should be combined.

Student organizations

• Wow, this is a mess. Paragraphs are all bunched up; third-party links are within the text; reads almost like a copyvio. At the least, words like "has been instrumental in the establishment…" should be avoided.

Alumni

• This is where the article really comes apart. From ad-like tone such as "maintained a warm rapport with its alumni" to a barrage of several short

sections and improperly formatted refs (period, followed by footnote, followed by comma — what the heck?!), it neds a total rewrite.

References

• Many references are missing author credits. Several more are formatted as bare URLs.

The content is mostly there, but it would need a much tighter copy-edit, removal of weasel words and ad-like prose, better referencing and a complete overhaul of everything from "Student Organizations" downward. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat •^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

TPH, I'm not exactly sure why you're asking for references in some of the areas you are. Perhaps you could explain further? Especially areas like the administration section. Remember that WP:WIAFA doesn't call for everything to be sourced, just that which is appropriate, and links to WP:When to cite, which says that quotations, exceptional claims, contentious BLP info, and "Opinions, data and statistics, and statements based on someone's scientific work" need to be referenced. I honestly don't see what in the unreferenced parts of the administration section fall into these categories. I would be more inclined to challenge areas such as the last paragraph of the Festivals section, which includes statistics ("3000 teams") or the section on Entrepreneurship Cell, which includes what I would consider to be exceptional claims, ("E-Cell has been instrumental in the establishment..."). Asking for everything to be referenced is not part of the FA criteria, and when experienced editors do it it provides a bad example for newer editors/reviewers. Dana boomer (talk) 19:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I've withdrawn the citation requests for now and will work on [citation needed]ing what I think need [citation needed]ing. Also, one thing I didn't catch last time is this clunky paragraph: "The senate controls and approves the curriculum, courses, examinations and results, and appoints committees to look into specific academic matters. The teaching, training and research activities of the institute are periodically reviewed by the senate to maintain educational standards. The director of IIT Kharagpur is the ex officio chairman of the senate." Three sentences in a row beginning with "the" = bad. I also raised some issues on the Alumni section here. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

GrapedApe's review

• External links in the infobox should be removed.
• I also don't think the "Deputy Director" is really worth having in the infobox
• The rankings in the lead should be moved to the main body of the article.
  • --GrapedApe (talk) 03:16, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

FARC commentary

Featured article criterion of concern include sourcing, prose and neutrality YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:23, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Delist per review by Dana, TPH, and GrapedApe. Above those issues are not addressed. JJ98 (talk) 06:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
• Delist none of my issues were addressed. Ten Pound Hammer, his ottersand a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 01:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
• Delist, significant FA criteria concerns, above issues have not been addressed. -- Cirt (talk) 16:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
• Delist, nothing has happened since the review began. Dana boomer (talk) 17:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

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This is just for reference and working on the article. VIVEK RAI :  Friend?  03:38, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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IIT Kharagpur reaching out to rural students

IIT Kharagpur's innovative project 'C minus 4' for rural students is likely to boost advance education in rural India.

[[2]] Sonna.j (talk) 15:54, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sonna.j: What exactly is your point? --Muhandes (talk) 20:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for working with me, Please read the link and add/update to the article Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur ....Project innovative C minus 4 model for high school students introduced by...... Sonna.j (talk) 16:09, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sonna.j: I'm afraid I don't see how it is encyclopedic. If you think otherwise, go bold and add it. --Muhandes (talk) 17:25, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

hi Muhandes (talk you do it....let me observe you do it...new here thanks for working with me. Sonna.j (talk) 15:53, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sonna.j: I'd like to help but I have too much on my plate. If you worry that your edits may not be appropriate, write the text here and explain where it should be added, ping me, and I'll review it. --Muhandes (talk) 17:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

the above sentence has to be added to the Article. Sonna.j (talk) 19:02, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sonna.j: Putting aside the words used (e.g. "innovative") and the fact that it focus on opinion and estimation rather than fact, I don't see why the project itself is more than a trivial matter. Has it been mentioned in many other outlets? Has it received much attention elsewhere? --Muhandes (talk) 13:47, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

matter is very important in rural India, yes its published in all national and local news papewrs Sonna.j (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

I am sorry Sonna.j, but I read this article as well as here and this one and I still can't figure out a way to incorporate this in any meaningful way. Its a new program with some potential and much speculated future ("likely to boost"). It does not seem revolutionary in any way. If someone else thinks otherwise, they can try to add it. --Muhandes (talk) 18:28, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

now I am tired and exhausted too bye for now Sonna.j (talk) 16:45, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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योगः कर्मसु कौशलम्

If we take a literal translation of this shloka, as Mr. Ghosh did, it would obviously translate to "Excellence in action is Yoga", especially considering the time and place he said these words at, and since Sanskrit is flexible. But given the context that IITKGP is a technological institute that has not much to do with Yoga, wouldn't a more sensible translation be "Unity is excellence at work"? Since Yoga philosophically translates to "unity" in English? I realize that this is WP:OR, but still have this question.-- friendlyneighborhoodanon 20:32, 13 May 2019 (UTC)