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[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 06:00, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
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- ... that Iskaq Tjokrohadisurjo founded the first native law office in Batavia? Source: Lev, Daniel S. (1976). "Origins of the Indonesian Advocacy". Indonesia (21): 134–169., p154: "[...] an office opened by Iskaq Cokrohadisuryo in Batavia, the first Indonesian office in the colonial capital."
- Reviewed: Chipozi zhuan
- Comment: The guy has quite a lot of ways to spell his name.
Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 15:45, 2 June 2021 (UTC).
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- There are some concerns regarding "X is first" hooks sometime ago. Could you propose an ALT for this, or pair it with another equally interesting fact from the article?
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe ALT1: ... that Iskaq Tjokrohadisurjo decided against working for the Dutch colonial government because he was treated well in the Netherlands? (Source [5], last sentence of the “Early life and education” section).
- @Juxlos: That would do. Thank you.
Approve ALT1 Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Juxlos: That would do. Thank you.
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Reviewer: Golden (talk · contribs) 18:29, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
I'll review this article over the next few days. — Golden call me maybe? 18:29, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Lead
[edit]Originating in
- A better word here would be "Born in" or "Hailing from".
- Changed
- Wikilink Surakarta.
- Done
- What is PNI?
- De-abbreviated
- Briefly introduce Sukarno.
- Done, with "President"
Early life and career
[edit]- Move the wikilink for Javanese people to the word "Javanese" in the phrase
His parents were Javanese nobility
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- Done
- What is "Perhimpoenan Indonesia"?
- Nationalist student organization. Added.
Early political career
[edit]- Briefly introduce Sartono, Ali Sastroamidjojo, and Wiryono Kusumo.
- Added, added, removed
- The first two sentences could be merged as "..founded the first native Indonesian law office in Batavia.."
- Fair enough, merged
- Move the wikilink for Bandung to its first mention.
- Done
whom he thought would fit in better in Bandung
- Do we know why he thought this?
- Not explained in source. I can postulate because Bandung was a much cooler place (temperature wise) for Europeans, but that's WP:RS.
When the Indonesian National Party (PNI) was founded in 1927, Iskaq was one of its co-founders
- This could be shortened to "Iskaq co-founded the Indonesian National Party (PNI) in 1927.."
- Updated
- Briefly introduce Sukarno.
- "future President" work?
Iskaq was arrested due to involvement in PNI
- Can you provide some context as to why involvement in PNI became a problem in 1929, when it seemingly wasn’t in 1927?
- Not sure how to. It could very much have been that it only got big enough to be worrying in 1929, but I could not find this explicitly stated.
- Briefly introduce Soenario.
- Added
- What is Partindo?
- Will that suffice?
- Briefly introduce Sudiro.
- Added
- It would be helpful to include a brief description of the Renville Agreement.
- Added.
Cabinet Minister: 1951–1954
[edit]brought him into conflict with the Masyumi Party
- Why? It would be helpful to have some context here.
- Added
- Sudiro has already been wikilinked, so the second link should be removed.
- Done
- Briefly introduce Daud Beureu'eh.
- Would that be good?
enroll a son
- "his son" would be a better choice.
- Updated
Later career and death
[edit]- Can you provide a brief description of the 30 September Movement?
- That way?
References
[edit]- Spot-checked references #1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 20, 29, 41, 42
- I couldn't find any information about Iskaq working as "an advocate at the Surabaya High Court" in reference #3. Could you provide the exact quote?
- Third page of the article. "Mr. Iskaq pernah memimpin Partindo Cabang Manado. Pada saat bersamaan ia juga mengelola kantor hukum di sana. Tetapi setelah mengalami masa-masa suram di sana, ia kembali ke Surabaya dan menjadi advocaat en procureur di Pengadilan Tinggi Surabaya (1933-1944)."
- You're missing page number for ref #29.
- Updated
- I could not verify ref #6 for the sentence
Iskaq refused to participate in the new party
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- Second page of the article. "PNI keok pada Pemilu pertama Orde Baru pada 1971, dan dipaksa berfusi dengan partai-partai nasionalis lain pada 10 Januari 1973. Iskaq menolak masuk Partai Demokrasi Perjuangan hasil fusi itu."
- Link for ref #42 is broken.
- That one should be considered an offline newspaper source - paywalls, auths, and whatnot. I'll remove the hyperlink.
General comments
[edit]- Earwig's copyvio detector did not detect any copyright violations.
- Images are relevant and free. The images need US tags.
- I enjoyed reading this article and look forward to seeing your revisions in response to my points. — Golden call me maybe? 20:56, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Juxlos: Great work on the changes so far! Do you need more time to complete the remaining edits? — Golden call me maybe? 16:35, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yep, give me the weekend, haven’t had the time to go back to the book sources. Juxlos (talk) 00:29, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Of course. Take your time. — Golden talk 08:30, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- I think that's all. Juxlos (talk) 15:46, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Juxlos: I have one more comment: the article has a few cases of false titles (i.e. "parliamentary speaker" instead of "the parliamentary speaker"), which I would recommend fixing if you plan on taking this article further. However, that's too minor of an issue to hold this article any longer, therefore I will be passing. Congratulations! — Golden talk 20:19, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- I think that's all. Juxlos (talk) 15:46, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- Of course. Take your time. — Golden talk 08:30, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yep, give me the weekend, haven’t had the time to go back to the book sources. Juxlos (talk) 00:29, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Juxlos: Great work on the changes so far! Do you need more time to complete the remaining edits? — Golden call me maybe? 16:35, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
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