Talk:James Buchanan

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

William R. King[edit]

James Buchanan, Jr. is rated one of our worst presidents, if not the worst, because he avoided dealing with secession. Lincoln however is rated as our best president because he dealt with secession by prosecuting the most destructive war in our nation's history. The total casualties of this war, including human, economic, sectional, racial and cultural, to name but a few, are still being counted 150 years later. Buchanan tried his best to apply the rule of law as he saw fit without bloodshed. He did ultimately fail, but he should be given a higher rating for his attempt. Why are war presidents seen as great men while peace presidents are seen as ordinary or indecisive? That should tell you where the mentality of this nation is. Walter H. Ring 3rd

Buchanan did not work for peace. He did not do his best to apply the rule of law. he was pro-South until about jan 1 1861 then became anti-South, in both cases making the war more likely. Rjensen (talk) 03:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Could someone more familiar with the Buchanan/King relationship restore relevant passages and sources to the William R. King article? It seems to have been scrubbed by User:Catherinejarvis. Woodshed (talk) 06:43, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for alerting. Contaldo80 (talk) 09:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Do you not think any of the material such as the Jackson or Brown quotes, or parts of the Loewen or Watson analyses, belong in the King article? Woodshed (talk) 09:38, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely not. The speculation of people who did not know these men is not relevant. Loewen especially seems to be using historical figures to push an agenda of his own. I merely trimmed unsubstantiated gueshsing from the article. This is an encyclopedia, not a gossip column.Catherinejarvis (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Could you please avoid suggesting that gay history is merely all about idle "gossip". That's an incredibly insulting thing to say. Contaldo80 (talk)
  • If powerbrokers, let alone voters, knew that Buchanan was gay, his political ascent would have been controversial, to say the very least. In fact, it's hard to see how he could have been elected at all given the attitudes of the time. Andrew Jackson also called John Quincy Adams a pimp. Jackson was known for making outrageous accusations, not for his gaydar. If you leave aside the innuendo from Jackson and his Tennessee clique, the remaining evidence can best be described as "underwhelming." This blog post gives the argument in greater detail. The Clever Boy (talk) 04:12, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Underwhelming perhaps, but not beyond belief. We're just saying he might have been homosexual, not born on Mars. It's not that controversial surely?Contaldo80 (talk) 16:58, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
The blog cited above terminates Buchanan's letter at "... a wooing to several gentlemen, but have not succeeded with any one of them", ironically mocking it as "scorching stuff", while omitting the remaining text, which contains: "... and should not be astonished to find myself married to some old maid who can nurse me when I am sick, provide good dinners for me when I am well, and not expect from me any very ardent or romantic affection". If including this text wouldn't damage the blog's argument, the blog wouldn't bother to exclude it. The simple effort to omit this text, then, indicates that it IS scorching stuff (with no ironic quote-marks). Also, the blog applies the incorrect standard ("proof"), and mocks using the absence of evidence contrary to a fact as evidence of the fact. But many Presidents are deemed heterosexual without "proof", on nothing more than having behaved like a stereotypical heterosexual male, absent the production of contrary evidence. So the presumptive designation of "homosexual, pending further evidence" should be alllowed to stand on symmetrically weak evidence. (talk) 07:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson

"... a personal crusade to out people who can never defend themselves. ..."?[edit]

The language "... a personal crusade to out people who can never defend themselves. ..." used by User talk:Catherinejarvis is offensive. Is being homosexual something you are "outed" for? User talk:Catherinejarvis notes that since Buchanan is dead he has no opportunity to rebut (if he was in fact heterosexual) the assertion that he was homosexual. Would she similarly protest the assertion that some other dead historical figure was heterosexual but, being dead, is unable to rebut (had they been homosexual) the assertion that they were heterosexual? The standard that should be applied to evidence of Buchanan's homosexuality is NOT that it should be (as two writers here opine) better than "gossip" or better than "underwhelming". The standard that should be applied to evidence of Buchanan's homosexuality is precisely the same standard as should be applied to evidence of any dead person's heterosexuality. If Wikipedia, relying only on "underwhelming gossip", reports on some dead person's presumed heterosexuality, then it must accept "underwhelming gossip" as the standard for reporting on Buchanan's possible homosexuality. If you believe that making a case for Buchanan's homosexuality requires stronger evidence than making a case for his heterosexuality or asexuality, then that is, by definition, bias. (talk) 06:13, 19 June 2014 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson

Utah War[edit]

The Utah War section was clearly written by the Brethren and is comical in the extreme in it's attempt to eliminate the largest movement of the US Army between The Mexican War and The Civil War. The Buchanan administration was almost entirely consumed by the Utah situation in the opening months following inauguration. Kane was on his way out of the Valley with Brigham ready to burn it to the ground when word came of the demise of the northern escape route via the fall of Fort Limhi. Within 12 hours, realizing he was trapped forever on US Soil, he capitulated and sent a snotty letter to A.S. Johnston, leader of the US Expedition wintering over at Fort Bridger. It would take a Peace Commission dispatched by Buchanan to negotiate (without Kane's involvement or input) the passage of Johnston's 2500-strong army through the streets of Great Salt Lake City singing the folk song "One-Eyed Riley" on 26 June 1858. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:28, 1 February 2015‎ (UTC)

I think that he was rated the worst President should be put on here — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:37, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

National Hotel disease[edit]

Very strange reference from National_Hotel_disease#President-elect involvement that: 1) he was ill for the first few weeks of his presidency, and 2) that affected his decisions during that time. Searching for illness or health doesn't pop up anything in this article. What gives? BS there or here? Shenme (talk) 04:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)