Talk:John Darling Sr.

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Requested move 24 July 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 10:41, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

John Darling Sr. → John Darling, senior – To match other articles: only reason it can't be done manually is because a bot edited the redirect – The Drover's Wife (talk) 06:03, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@The Drover's Wife: This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:29, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I haven't seen other articles following that suggested format. The current form seems common to me (cf. WP:JR). —BarrelProof (talk) 19:09, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Is it possible that "John Darling, Sr." was the intended target name for the move? O N R (talk) 23:43, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment what other articles are you talking about? -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:42, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have seen a bunch of different forms of this, but my impression has always been that ", Sr." would be the correct form, i.e. John Darling, Sr., although I notice WP:JR allows either form. In my view articles should be moving away from the "(senior)" and "senior" constructions. Frickeg (talk) 00:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There's been a lot of discussion about that comma before "Sr." lately. For a while, we had official guidance saying not to include the comma. See Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies/2015 archive#RfC: Comma or no comma before Jr. and Sr. that reached that conclusion on 13 February 2015. So for a while we had guidance like this or this. Then there was Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive270#Closure Review Request at MOS page, and Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 119#RfC: Guidance on commas before Jr. and Sr., and Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 120#RfC: Guidance on commas after Jr. and Sr., among others (some of which are listed at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 119#Relevant recent discussions). —BarrelProof (talk) 02:02, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am both aghast and not at all surprised that so many hours were spent discussing this issue. Thanks hugely for all the links! I guess this article might as well stay as is then. Frickeg (talk) 06:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. As the nominator, I emphatically do not care which convention people use as long as we pick one and stick to it, and preferably that someone with admin privileges goes through our political articles and makes sure they're all in the same format. The Drover's Wife (talk) 06:58, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- It is already sitting at the convention used on Wikipedia, AFAIK, what other uses have you seen that use "senior" in the manner you requested? -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 08:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Australian politics on Wikipedia in general has always been really inconsistent about this and still is. The Drover's Wife (talk) 08:26, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Do you recall which articles use those article names? so we can get the ball rolling and make them consistent? (Too bad Wikipedia doesn't maintain a suffix index for searching) -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:12, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - I can find a few through Google, but it's a really common thing and not just here: someone with the right tools needs to search the database for all the different permutations and standardise them. The Drover's Wife (talk) 05:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        A quick look at Category:Members of the South Australian House of Assembly and Category:Members of the South Australian Legislative Council and their subcategories might be one way to start. I notice John Darling Jr. there. It seems like being consistent with that one would be a good idea. —BarrelProof (talk) 05:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I don't like spelling out "Sr" just because of comma stuff. I was hoping for opposes, but I see just vote-less comments instead. George Ho (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose – George, thanks for encouraging this to reach a conclusion. After the comments and questions above, I see no coherent rationale in support of this proposed move, so mark me as "opposed" as well. —BarrelProof (talk) 05:57, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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