Talk:John Matuszak

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I changed "Matuszak's character Sloth wears an Oakland Raiders shirt throughout the movie" to that he wears it in some scenes. I just watched the last hour of the film and Matuszak only wore a superman t-shirt. So my guess is that the Oakland Raiders shirt was in earlier scenes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.230.147.76 (talk) 12:44, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I corrected the false info that his dad is the same Marvin Matuszak that played in the NFL, based on a photo of the family gravestone with a different birthdate (and no death date) than NFL.com. I know his autobiography talked about his dad being a China Marine and never mentioned playing in the NFL, but don't have that book handy to cite. I put all the detail on Marvin Matuszak's page because it seemed more pertinent there than it does on John's page. If I did this wrong please be gentle; these are my first two edits. Thanks! --Khight (talk) 04:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Bio Info

Any healthy, athletic guy born in 1950 was prime fodder for the Vietnam draft. Most athletes were able to dodge the draft. Was Matuszk too tall to be drafted at 6'8"? Or did he find some other way to avoid it? For a healthy guy born in 1950, no other issue was as important in the late 1960s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.27.38 (talk) 22:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Add info on his playing style?

My recollections of this guy is that he was a real ass kicker on the field, hitting hard and hurting people with very aggressive play. The John Matuszak article I just read here completely overlooks his play. The following link would help to correct. --> If I've done something bad here, please feel free to edit or whatever. (Matuszak article at tampasportshistory.blogspot.com.) CitizenDaveS (talk) 02:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

CitizenDaveS, you did absolutely nothing wrong here, so don't worry about that! You were bold yet friendly, and you put your suggestion on the talk page for discussion, which was appropriate. All I did was add a header for ease of discussion and format your link so that it functions (you misplaced part of the web address), it looks better, and it doesn't show up at the bottom of the page as a reference (I removed the ref tags).

Blogs are not considered reliable sources, but newspapers usually are. However, even though the blog post looks it's a copied newspaper article, these things can be faked. I personally don't think it's fake, but I don't have time to verify that. In addition, the article's history shows that your edits to the article itself were reverted due to a copyright problem:

30 October 2017‎ Sphilbrick‎ . . (10,117 bytes) (-9,362)‎ . . (Reverted good faith edits by CitizenDaveS (talk): Copyright issue re http://tampasportshistory.blogspot.com/2009/02/john-tooz-matuszak-7573.html.

I don't know the specific problem because those edits were completely removed from the edit history except for the summaries, but it could be that you copied and pasted images and/or text beyond what would be reasonable for a quotation.

You could:

• leave the suggestion here as is, hoping that someone will eventually do more research and follow through on your suggestion,
• find other sources that discuss the same thing, or
• go request help from the community (in the Teahouse or a relevant WikiProject like the ones listed at the top of this page) in figuring out how to get good references & a balanced review of the information you think should be included.

My real-life limitations get in the way of me doing anything more, so I wish you well and I hope this is helpful! —Geekdiva (talk) 11:18, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Unsourced material

Article has been tagged for needing sources long-term. Feel free to reinsert the below material with appropriate references. DonIago (talk) 13:33, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Early life

==Early life== Matuszak was born in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, in 1950 to Audrey and Marvin Matuszak (not the same Marvin Matuszak who was a defensive lineman in the NFL and AFL). John was the Wisconsin Class A state champion in the shot put with a throw of 58 feet 11 inches. He was always big for his age, which became an advantage as a defensive lineman in football. When he eventually turned pro, he stood 6 feet 8 inches (2.03 m) and weighed over 280 pounds (127 kilograms). He attended the University of Tampa, where he was the star of their football team. He was also a member of the Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity. One of his Tampa teammates was future professional wrestler Paul Orndorff.

Death

==Death== John Matuszak died on June 17, 1989, as a result of a prescription drug overdose, according to the findings of the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office. A report listed the cause of death as acute propoxyphene intoxication. Propoxyphene is the generic name of the narcotic ingredient in the prescription pain medicines Darvon and Darvocet. (The risk of suicide associated with overdoses of this weak narcotic long ago led to its being outlawed in Canada.) The report said that hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, an enlarged heart, and bronchopneumonia had been contributing factors in the death. Dambacher said Matuszak had been experiencing back pain, a problem that had caused his retirement from football after the 1981 season.

Unsourced info

About this dispute [1], if something is challenged someone needs to provide a source. While it's sometimes useful to use a {{citation needed}} tag, or even just to leave info which is unsourced; ultimately if another editor in good faith believes unsourced info needs to be removed, the way out of the dispute over sourcing is not to assert superiority as a retired admin or to incorrectly claim basic info does not need to be sourced, but to actually provide a source.

This source [2] was provided on an editor's talk page but while it supports Matuszak signing with the Raiders, it does not make it clear when they did so and does not say anything about the Redskins.

It also mentions he was involved in two Superbowl campaigns with them in 1977 and 1981 which from what I can tell, is consistent with XI and XV so per WP:CALC is probably fair enough to support his involvement. Whether he "helped" them win is a far trickier thing. While the normal assumption would be that anyone involved can be said to have help a team win, there may be cases where someone was considered to have actually been more damaging to a team than a help.

The source does include a quote from the owner of the team, but frankly that's just one person's opinion and coming just after his death is not really the best source. We could attribute the opinion of his contribution, but we are going to include it in wikivoice, we really need a source which establishes it's well accepted that the person made enough contribution that they can be said to have "helped".

IMO the simplest solution is to simply use neutral language, but still if someone does provide a source, they're welcome to add back the older or similar wording.

For clarity, this source doesn't seem to mention the Matuszak [3]. This source does [4] but frankly does an even worse job of establishing Matuszak helped them win their Superbowls (it only even mentions one). Neither seem to mention the Redskins or precisely when Matuszak signed.

This source was also provided [5] but knowing next to nothing about American football I have no idea if it's an WP:RS. It does seem that the author Jonathan Rand may not be notable. OTOH, the publisher Rowman & Littlefield at least seems to be known for publishing scholarly books, but also trade books. Frankly it seems to me that it's a moot point since again, it seems worse establishing Matuszak helped the Raiders win either Super Bowl.

Nil Einne (talk) 10:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I've added back the Redskins part and when he signed for the Raiders with some minor additional details [6], after finding a new ref from some quick searching. As it turns out, this ref also supports him helping them win those Super Bowls so I've added that back too. (Frankly as an obituary even if from the Washington Post it isn't the best source, but it's such a minor detail it's IMO not worth worrying about.) I initially thought the UPI ref wasn't needed anymore but actually the Washington Post ref I found doesn't seem to mention him spending the entirety of the 1982 season on injured reserve. So both are needed for that material. This whole mess could have been avoided if people didn't think being a retired admin excluded them from the need to provide refs, or if they at least made sure the refs they provided actually supported the disputed content but whatever I guess. Nil Einne (talk) 10:53, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance Nil! I was planning to review the sources the IP had provided but wasn't comfortable doing so while there was an open ANI case. DonIago (talk) 14:35, 3 November 2019 (UTC)