Talk:Kösem Sultan

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Origin[edit]

According to most Turkish sources she was of Bosnian (or Serbian) origin. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I KNOW THAT HURREM (ROXALANE) WAS THE MOST POWERFUL SULTAN IN OTTOMAN EMPIRE[edit]

Wasn't she? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.236.129.137 (talk) 19:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Hürrem was an influential woman. But of course, the most powerful name was her husband, Suleyman I. Kösem on the other hand was a widow after 28 years of age. After 1617 she saw the reigns of two almost crazy sultans (Mustafa I and İbrahim) and two minors (Murat IV and Mehmet IV) She was unrivalled real ruler of the empire several times between 1617-1651. (except during the reigns of Osman II and grown up Murat IV ) Hürrem never had this opportunity. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:21, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Stop Reverting and rewording citations[edit]

Anonymous user 78.179.176.237 (talk) is vandalizing the article and rewording existing sourced material to suit her own WP:POV [1], like it or not, the references you reworded respect WP:RS, and altering reliably sourced material is considered vandalism in Wikipedia. Please seek consensus for each of your removals first or they will be reverted and try to discuss changes rather than engaging in an edit war.- Best regards Prefamilile (talk) 22:39, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


RE : 78.179.176.237 is Zafer From istanbul is preparing thesis about Turkish History the most data written on the page was fictions rather than scientific data, obsessive and distorting on Official Ottoman History. The most powerful woman of Ottoman empire, KOSEM SULTAN WAS NOT, if emperiors considered it is Fatih Sultan Mehmet. This is not for the personel comments missionaries but history science.


I have discovered that two of the sources used have indeed been reworded (by replacing the word ‘Greek’ for ‘Bosnian’) in order to portray Kosem as a Bosnian instead of Greek, the real citations:

Source 1 - Amila Buturović, İrvin Cemil Schick (2007). ‘Women in the Ottoman Balkans: gender, culture and history.’ p. 23 explains that :

" Kosem, who was of Greek origin. Orphaned very young, she found herself at the age of fifteen in the harem of Sultan Ahmed."

Source 2 - Singh, Nagendra Kr (2000). International encyclopaedia of Islamic dynasties. Anmol Publications PVT. p. ‘423–424’, explains in more detail that:

" KOSEM WALIDE or KOSEM SULTAN, called Mahpaykar (ca. 1589-1651), wife of the Ottoman sultan Ahmad I and mother of the sultans Murad IV and Ibrahim I [q.vv.]. She was Greek by birth, and achieved power in the first place through the harem, exercising a decisive influence in the state during the reigns of her two sons and of her grandson Mehemmed IV"

These cites have been corrected. Zorlusert (talk) 14:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

As far as I can see the major subject of dispute is her origin. ( I deduce this from the history of the page) She was either a Bosnian-Serbian or a Greek. The origins of the slave girls were never certain. Not only that, even the mothers of some sultans (e.g. Mustafa I and Mahmut II) are not known for sure. On the other hand the question who was the most influenced seems rather meaningless. Nobody can compare the influences in different circumstances and in different ages. If Kösem were the wife of say Selim I probably we wouldn’t even know her name. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:00, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


(88.242.236.114 (talk) 07:56, Oliveoil. (UTC))Was'nt she sent by Bosnia Beylerbeyi from Bosnia ?
However there were many new claims reverted not only she was Greek (Not Rûm), even her father was a saint from Tinos... easy is Turks somehow was'nt cared their history.


Blows influence On Ottoman History etc. paid movies.[edit]

What makes you to consider she was the most powerful woman of the ottoman history, multicultural Eu?.(88.242.236.114 (talk) 07:27, 5 March 2011 (UTC)).

Picture.[edit]

Haseki Mahpeyker Kösem Valide Sultan was the most powerful woman in Ottoman history. She was the wife (most likely married) of Sultan Ahmed I. And she was mother of Sultan Murad IV and Sultan Ibrahim I. Also she was mother of Sultan Ahmed's 3 children another from Murad and Ibrahim. Kösem Mahpeyker was the manager of the Ottoman Empire from 1623 to 1633 but in other times, especially in Osman II's and Ibrahim I's reign, she was very influential too. She had such a big power that other sultans couldn't had. She was known as "Valide-i Muazzama" (which means Huge Mother), Sahibet-ül Makam (which means owner of chair) She was known as very charitable and helpful sultan by the community. The community was loving her so much. So, it must be a photograph of her. English Wikipedia is quite professional and it must be like that in its every title. Someone must upload her photograph urgently.

~~meltemtskn~~

Picture.[edit]

Haseki Mahpeyker Kösem Valide Sultan was the most powerful woman in Ottoman history. She was the wife (most likely married) of Sultan Ahmed I. And she was mother of Sultan Murad IV and Sultan Ibrahim I. Also she was mother of Sultan Ahmed's 3 children another from Murad and Ibrahim. Kösem Mahpeyker was the manager of the Ottoman Empire from 1623 to 1633 but in other times, especially in Osman II's and Ibrahim I's reign, she was very influential too. She had such a big power that other sultans couldn't had. She was known as "Valide-i Muazzama" (which means Huge Mother), Sahibet-ül Makam (which means owner of chair) She was known as very charitable and helpful sultan by the community. The community was loving her so much. So, it must be a photograph of her. English Wikipedia is quite professional and it must be like that in its every title. Someone must upload her photograph urgently.

~~meltemtskn~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meltemtskn (talkcontribs) 19:51, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


You use the name "Constantinople" but this name was until 1453. The official name was since 1453 Kostantiniyye or sometimes İstanbul. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Istanbul — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.109.105.99 (talk) 12:04, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

The other female regent[edit]

The text states that two women in the history of the Ottoman Empire ruled officially as regents. One was Kösem Sultan, so who was the other one?

Likely Nurbanu Sultan, Selim II's wife. --Ukas (talk) 09:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

- Nope the other one was Turhan Hatice Sultan, wife of the Sultan Ibrahim I and mother of the Sultan Mehmed IV. She ordered Kösem's strangulation and took her place after her death Enginmoo (talk) 14:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Kösem behind the dethronement and execution of Ibrahim[edit]

Quite a few sources mention Kösem taking part of two attempts to depose her son sultan Ibrahim, of which the latter was successfull. Also several sources claim, that Kösem authorized or agreed on the execution of Ibrahim - even though he was pressured to do so by other parties in power. For example, in Honored by the Glory of Islam: Conversion and Conquest in Ottoman Europe by Marc David Baer (pp.36, citating 18th century text: "Karaçelebizade, Ravzatü’l-ebrâr zeyli, 12–13, 25.") "She articulated the fact that only she could make the final decision concerning who sat on the throne and whether the sultan lived or died: “They said my son Ibrahim was not suitable for the sultanate. I said ‘depose him.’ They said his presence is harmful, I said ‘let him be removed.’ I said ‘let him be executed.’ If anyone is under my protection, it is my son.”" Caroline Finkel, in Osman's Dream (pp. 189) writes: "All are united in the opinion that the Sultan must be deposed; it is impossible to do otherwise. You tell me that if I don’t hand over the Prince, they will enter the palace and take him by force." It was a measure of the authority which had accrued to the figure of the sultan’s mother, and to the present queen-mother in particular, that it was considered necessary to win her over before the Sheikhulislam could deliver his opinion. Although she could write to the Grand Vezir privately of her true feelings, in the company of the statesmen convention required that she appear to resist them. Fearing that attempts might be made to restore İbrahim, another juridical opinion was sought regarding his subsequent execution. " Also, Selcuk Aksin Somel in The A to Z of the Ottoman Empire suggest that she authorized his execution. --Ukas (talk) 13:04, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

There is a debate going on about this issue. There is no clear evidence about any possible intervention of Kösem on Ibrahim's death. But there is clear evidence showing that Kösem protected Ibrahim when Murat IV ordered his death. Enginmoo (talk) 14:27, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Ref-bombing[edit]

I would suggest that we strip some of the superfluous sources that refer to her Greek origin, as this is undisputed.--Zoupan 05:19, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


Not one source on the page says she was of Bosnian origin[edit]

In my experience there were never any Bosnians in Tinos. The confusion seems to come from the fact she was bought as a slave in Bosnia after being captured in Tinos by Venetians. Easy to correct. 90.244.11.178 (talk) 10:12, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Rename to Mahpeyker Sultan[edit]

Kösem was just a nick name and not the personal name. So the page should be renamed to Mahpeyker Sultan. User:Retrieverlove (Talk) 06:05, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

That's a good point or it can be mahpeyker Kösem sultan Faris murad (talk) 21:19, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that name is in wide use, Leslie Peirce uses Kösem Seraphimsystem (talk) 21:47, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Nickname or not, it's her common name as sources use this name and Turkish people also refer to her as Kösem Sultan. Keivan.fTalk 11:10, 5 April 2017 (UTC)