Talk:Kansas (band)

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Proto-Kaw[edit]

Just a thought but should not the Proto-Kaw entry be given a complete life of it's own and the repeated information here be removed. Leaving this entry with a single sentance of explanation and link through to the PK article. :: Kevinalewis : please contact me on my Talk Page : 10:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Box[edit]

The box is in serious need of updating, and I don't kknow how to do that. Ragsdale is an alum and Steinhardt is back in, and the box should reflect that.Scottandrewhutchins 00:11, 16 July 2006 (UTC)Scottandrewhutchins

The box is accurate as of this writing. Steinhardt left this spring, Ragsdale rejoined in his place. It's there in the article, and confirmed at Kansas' official website. Carboncopy 00:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
I felt sill for making the change after I read it.--Scottandrewhutchins 03:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Former members[edit]

Shouldn't there be a list of former members? I don't know them all. Tim Long 05:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe all the former members are mentioned in the text. Is a separate list necessary? Carboncopy 12:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Lists are included for most band articles, so you don't have to search through the article for them. The list will have the members, what they played, and their years in the band. Tim Long 20:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Alumni (former) band members are listed in the box at the bottom of the article. Buzzard Joe 19:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but the box doesn't give their instruments or years, as most band articles do. Tim Long 00:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
They should be included in the infobox but there's no prerequisite about band pages having a separate members section that I'm aware of. I think it's up to the user's choice. 86.164.5.243 (talk) 19:41, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Robby Steinhardt[edit]

I've made a stub for Robby Steinhardt, since there needed to be one. I haven't done one for Ragsdale, because I think it would be even shorter. --Scottandrewhutchins 04:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

The Best Of Kansas[edit]

I was always impressed by the booklet that came with 'The Best Of Kansas'. So it was great to see that most of the things on the booklet were discovered.

But there's one thing missing: Audio-visions certainly HAS a part on the booklet, although it's hard to find. On the back side you see, right under, a metal hand holding the curtain. That metal hand certainly looks a lot like the hands on audio-visions. I was so free to add this information to your the page. If you think I'm not correct, just remove it.

--Senberry 09:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Kansas - Device Voice Drum[edit]

Does anyone know what this is? It doesn't make a lot of sense, it either needs to be removed or expanded into something that does make sense... trolleymusic 23:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks like vandalism/experimentation to me. I have removed the section. Device,_Voice,_Drum has its own article anyway. The information that was here under this section is about a totally unrelated Animusic production. Carboncopy 21:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Follow-up: I tracked down the Animusic / Device,_Voice,_Drum connection; seems Animusic did some animations for the album. I was not aware of this. I have added the information to the Device,_Voice,_Drum page, rather than here, as that seems more appropriate. Carboncopy (talk) 15:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Device - Voice - Drum is legit--it's the title of a live album Kansas recorded following the studio album "Somewhere to Elsewhere."

Detail[edit]

I'm disappointed that this article is bereft of detail compared to articles on many other rock bands. Compare the articles on Rush (band) and Van Halen, for example, which are longer and more detailed. Surely there's a lot more interesting info that could be added to this account of a great band like Kansas (band). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritquest (talkcontribs) 05:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC) Even Kerry Livgren's page contains more detail than this one. Spiritquest (talk) 04:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Yep. It's on my to-do list. I completely revamped (and sourced 90% of) the Boston (band) article. I'll be working on this one too. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 01:35, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, unfortunately I don't have any sources to suggest. Kerry Livgren's book Seeds of Change would probably contain some useful material about the history of the band. Spiritquest (talk) 04:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Citations & References[edit]

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 09:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Vinyl Confessions[edit]

The following paragraph says this about Vinyl Confessions: "Kansas' first album with Elefante, Vinyl Confessions, released in June 1982, was their most successful studio release since Point of Know Return. The record renewed interest in the group and generated the band's first Top 20 hit in several years, "Play the Game Tonight." The album's overtly Christian lyrics attracted an entirely new audience. Still, sales of the album fell short of gold status, and the album has yet to be certified gold."

It appears that the sole criteria for measuring the success of Vinyl Confessions is that "Play the Game Tonight" was a Top 20 single. Monolith, the studio successor to Point of Know Return, peaked at number 10 on the Billboard Top 200 album chart and was initially certified gold and later platinum. It also boasted a Top 30 single in "People of the South Wind." Further, Audio-Visions, the predecessor to Vinyl Confessions, peaked at number 26 and was certified gold. It also had a Top 40 single in "Hold On." To say that Vinyl Confessions was the band's most successful album since "Point" is inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.94.130.7 (talk) 01:25, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Indeed you are correct. I'm rewording that sentence. MXVN (talk) 23:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

History[edit]

In the section "1970–128432173: Early years" the first two words (i.e., the name of Kansas' former bass player Dave Hope is incorrectly represented as "Dave Pope" and links to an article on Dave Pope - a baseball player. I am new to Wikipedia and do not know how to correct the entry and link. I went into the "Edit" tab and in the code I see there for this section of the page, it appears correctly as "Dave Hope" so I cannot find the source of the problem to fix it.... can any not-so-newbie help out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChuckHos (talkcontribs) 05:20, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I just checked the article history, and "Pope" did not appear anywhere in the article at the time you posted the above. Someone did vandalize the article to say "Dave Pope" at one point, but it was immediately reverted by a bot, and this was many hours before your above post. So... you were imagining things, I guess?--Martin IIIa (talk) 02:00, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Not known?[edit]

The following sentence from the "Creative Tensions" section is unnecessarily baffling: "In early 1982, Walsh was replaced by vocalist/keyboardist John Elefante,[1] who was also a Christian (though not known at the time)." Not known by whom? The music press? The other members of Kansas? Christian media groups? Elefante himself?

If anyone knows how to correctly clarify (and ideally, provide a source for) that parenthetical phrase, please do so. Otherwise, I don't know if there's anything to be done but remove it from the article.--Martin IIIa (talk) 19:07, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

...Alright then, I guess I'll go ahead and remove it.--Martin IIIa (talk) 13:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Somehow I missed the original post when it was first written. The answer to the question is: those who hired him (and were Christians). I don't remember where I had read that, so after searching (and searching) I finally found a source that's even better than what I saw before. In this interview with the Elefante brothers, John talks about it -- in the middle of the page, after the question: "John, your joining Kansas was really a kind of miracle. Tell us about that." It really is pretty amazing.
Is it really that unusual for a random group of three people in the USA to turn out to all be Christians? 86.140.0.60 (talk) 21:19, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
If you'd like to incorporate it into that paragraph...or I can, If you don't want to.
By the way, the last sentence of the paragraph that mentions other names of singers that applied for the job, that also should be sourced. --Musdan77 (talk) 19:47, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
No reply? Okay, then... --Musdan77 (talk) 20:25, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the late response; this article isn't one of the couple hundred that I have on my watchlist. Your edit looks great to me, though. Thanks very much for answering my question and digging up that reference!--Martin IIIa (talk) 22:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Members section[edit]

Given the rather extensive nature of the current members section on this page, would moving the lists of members and lineups table to a separate page be desirable, as in what we already have in a few cases: List of musicians in the band Boston, List of Genesis band members, etc? Just food for thought. Regards, 86.164.5.243 (talk) 19:44, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I personnally view the "Lineups" section as trivial overkill and see the "Current" and "Former" bandmembers as the only info that's really needed. That being said, the current section at this length could probably be moved to its own page. Ckruschke (talk) 18:29, 9 May 2014 (UTC)Ckruschke
A timeline would be a good addition, too. Victão Lopes Fala! 19:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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