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Kenosha lies on the western shore of Lake Michigan

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Kenosha, or any other geographical place, does not "lay" anywhere. "Lay" is a transitive verb, and the intransitive verb that you want is "lie". Female birds and reptiles lay eggs, and I can lay my last dollar on a purchase. One the other hand, St. Louis lies along the Mississippi River, Chicago lies along the Chicago River, Washington, D.C., lies along the Potomac River, Cleveland lies along the southern shore of Lake Erie, and Naples, Italy, lies along the lower slopes of Mt. Vesuvius.

Also, the official spelling, and the official trademark of AMTRAK is in all upper case letters, just like I just typed it.98.81.9.253 (talk) 14:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]


An organization's name isn't necessarily spelled in all-caps simply because its logo is styled that way (see Nike for just one prominent example off the top of my head). Amtrak spells out its name up-and-down on its website, and it's properly rendered as such on the relevant Wikipedia pages. It's not an initialism, and I'm unaware of any other grammatical reason to style it all-caps in text. Strongpoint (talk) 06:13, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Police controversy

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Are there any citations for this section? Considering the accusations, there really should be. If not, the section should be removed. --BaronLarf 02:42, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

While not a citation, because I'm lazy, the Kenosha News, Racine Journal Times, and Chicago Tribute did cover the story. Racine Police were cited in the articles as stating they use water based pepper spray. Perhaps someone can provide citation in the article?


UW-Parkside

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Interestingly no mention here of the UW - Parkside campus. I think that a link would at least serve justice. Also a little history from the AMC and American Brass, etc. days wouldn't hurt. Kenosha, Wisconsin in my opinion is a remarkable case of an American city that rebound after massive plant closures and depression. How was it done and who was behind the recovery is perhaps a noteworthy topic. HAE

I remember reading about Micheal in the paper. the cop got a medal and just recently the family won a settlement suit. but i think it should be its own article because like people have already voiced, this kind of thing happens in every major city sooner or later, and Kenosha wasn't the first or last to have such an unfortunate incident (for both sides). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.18.86 (talk) 04:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notable people

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The list of "notable people from Kenosha" has grown quite large. Are all of these people really from Kenosha, and in what way? (i.e., born in Kenosha, grew up in Kenosha, visited Kenosha once in 1967...? :) HollyAm 00:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The list has now been greatly reduced to only Kenosha born notable people. Spizzma 06:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks; I changed the heading to "Notable natives" then. HollyAm 21:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I removed "Michael Bell", over whom there has recently been a POV edit war. This news story occurred back in November 2004 and as I see it, it's not really appropriate for listing here unless someone can write an encyclopedic article about the incident. But, similar incidents have occurred in many other cities. Plus, the editors who have inserted Bell wikilink it to Michael Bell, a voice actor, a completely different person. HollyAm 21:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am curious why I inserted a name and it was erased. Robert Schuch [1]was an actor and producer from Kenosha who was in Kill me Again with Val Kilmer, Burning Rage with Barbra Mandrell and produced as well as acted in One Small Hero. He was in over 50 movies or TV shows. Was married to Susan Rattan [2]from L.A. law. He recently died young, so the list is not as long as other 'notable's but he was from Kenosha and if you know ANYTHING about the people from Kenosha, you know, that getting to the big screen or accomplishing something out of the norm is the desired epitaph.

Dlschuch1953 (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)Dianne Lindsey[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0775860/
  2. ^ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0711880/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Edit by 63.232.76.182

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All due respect to National Geographic, but this does not sound right to me.Mikereichold 04:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

this page has a major flaw, kenosha is not a part if chicago land. many of the people in kenosha concider it to be an insult to be refered to in such a way.

What evidence do you have that it isn't? As far as I know, it is. Also, I live in Kenosha, and I have never heard of anyone be insulted by being refered to in such a way. And just a note, this does not have to do with the edit by 63.232.76.182, next time just start a new topic by putting == Title ==. :-)Spizzma 02:13, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kenosha as Greater Chicagoland

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Please put points for and against Kenosha as Greater Chicagoland here. If the position can be supported, then perhaps it needs looked at. Otherwise, some references to Kenosha being part of Chicagoland would be useful.

Due to the possiblity of an edit war, a citation has been requested for the reference as Kenosha as a part of Greater Chicagoland. 69.212.21.82 09:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kenosha is a strange case as far as metro areas go. You could consider it part of Chicagoland or part of the Milwaukee Metro area. Or neither. The reality is that it's both. Kenosha gets both newspapers. Kenosha gets two of every major local TV network (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX). You'll find fans of both city's sports teams. I've seen most academics refer to Kenosha as part of Chicago and Racine, a similar size city just a few miles north as part of Milwaukee.

I live in Kenosha county and we are neither Milwaukee metro or Chicago metro. We are not anyone's suburbs. It really doesn't matter that we get both stations, have fans of both teams. That's because we don't have our own. Not many of us at all consider ourselves part of either. Racine and Kenosha are more each other's twins than part of anything else. They are very different, different crime rates, different housing types, different wealth levels, but are just as different as they are the same. Same culture, area, approximate founding, similar populations (however Kenosha's growing and Racine's shrinking). However most of us prefer to watch Milwaukee stations, probably because the Chicago stations exclude us. They don't put us in their forecasts, their news, anything. Milwaukee does. Plus, many advertisements in Chicago are Illinois-only, and many Milwaukee ads are also available in Kenosha. Why should we be considered Chicago when they express no interst in us?? The Person Who Is Strange 01:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it partly depends on whether the article is about Kenosha County or the City of Kenosha. Due to the large minority in southern Kenosha county (mostly in the town of Pleasant Prairie I believe) of former natives of the Chicago area and people living in Wisconsin but working in Illinois, it is arguable that the County of Kenosha may be significantly influenced by Chicago, that influence arguably being significantly less than the influence of the State of Wisconsin on Kenosha County. Even so, I don't believe that influence has much of an effect on the City of Kenosha or it's citizens. At this time the article is clearly centered around the city, therefor the Chicagoland reference is less relevant. This, of course, brings up the point that the Chicagoland reference would have more merit in the Kensha County article.

Kenosha is an odd case, until recently very culturally connected to Wisconsin and Milwaukee, but economically part of the Chicago metro area. This is not new. It has been decades now since Kenosha slipped from the Milwaukee TV ratings "book" into the Chicago ADI, which simply means that, statistically, most Kenosha residents watch Chicago stations. In terms of market share, Kenosha does not count as part of the advertising area for Milwaukee, but is counted as part of Chicago's market. If Keno was truly facing north, it would have hit the same rustbelt doldrums as Racine or Milwaukee, neither of which have the active economy that is evident in Kenosha. The increasing Illinois focus and changes brought by the shift in Kenosha's landscape have made some residents very nervous. There is a definite minority of people there who don't much like the "new Kenosha" and dislike the thought of being an outer suburb of Chicago, regardless of the evidence. But it is clear that Chicago is the power station that makes Kenosha's economy run, and that the effect has increased noticably over the past decade. DC600V 03:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Kenosha is an oddball and, for this reason alone, it cannot be part of Chicagoland but rather "heavily influenced" by the area. As far as sports teams go, the Chicago Cubs are king in Kenosha. Kenosha wasn't subject to the "stadium tax" that hit the areas around Milwaukee including Racine. But when we turn to football, die-hard packers fans seem to be the overwheming majority in Kenosha as well. The majority of the "Bears" fans you will find are actually ex-Chicago-area residents. I'd say WGN has a lot to do with how the Cubs came to be in favor in Kenosha, and the Packers are just a "Wisconsin thing". By the way, GO PACK! Gamegrid

I disagree about more Kenoshans watching Chicago stations. I don't know anyone who watches Chicago stations. (I live here.) Everyone I know watches Fox 6 Milwaukee news. This is because Kenosha is generally not on Chicago TV's weather reports, and our news is rarely reported either, whereas in Milwaukee stations we get our news, plus news at the state level for Jim Doyle's latest follies. We don't get Wisconsin gov't news on Chicago stations, obviously! And most of the ads in Chicago cater to that city because it is so large, but most Milwaukee ads are for places which have branches or locations in Milwaukee, Racine, Kenosha, Waukesha, and Sheboygan. I think we are a part of both and neither at the same time. But the dumb census people think otherwise... The Person Who Is Strange 02:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

  • AHA! I found a statistic on the county website about 49% of workers working outside Kenosha County, but I suck at citations so I just put a vaguely citation-looking link. But, about the Chicago advertising market, I have not once seen a Chicago-station advert advertise anything at all in Kenosha. Whereas, there are all sorts of things about Kenosha in the Milwaukee news. And to the person who said that "if Kenosha were truly facing north, it would be experiencing similar doldrums to Milwaukee and Racine," this is not completely true, because although many would not consider us in the Chicago area, a lot of Illinois residents move up here for various reasons: it's nicer, lower income taxes (sort of), cheaper housing, etc. But why do you think the housing is cheaper than in Illinois? Because it's also connected to Milwaukee. The only people I know who watch Chicago stations are people who have recently moved from Illinois. Inside the city of Kenosha itself, there are not as many ex-Chicagoans, many of these are found in Pleasant Prairie, which is practically a suburb of Kenosha (a smaller city that is very much under Kenosha's economic and cultural influence.) Personally I think Racine and Kenosha are more similar to each other than either of them is to either of the large cities. Also, about the Cubs thing, almost everyone I know is a Brewers fan. Our school goes on Brewers field trips. Kenosha is heavily influenced by both cities, but really is not a suburb of either. The wording on the economic section of this page is far too harsh; it makes it sound like effing Lake Forest or something. I'd say we have about 60% white collar and 40% blue. But yeah, the word "bedroom community" is a little harsh to describe a vibrant small city with nearly 100,000 residents. I wouldn't even consider it suburban. I vote that that section is re-written. Here are some facts:
    • A search for the word "Chicago" on kenoshanews.com returns 904 hits. A search for the word "Milwaukee" returns 1216.
    • The fact that Kenosha even has its own newspaper distinguishes it from the suburbs in Chicago's North Shore, which are served by one newspaper called the Lake County Herald or something like that.
    • On Facebook, if you look at people from Kenosha, most have joined the Milwaukee, WI network. Only those who moved recently from Illinois are listed as Chicago.

," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 00:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing: on www.chicagojobs.com, they do not consider Kenosha County a part of the Chicago labor market. ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 21:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I feel Kenosha being refered as part of the Chicagoland Metro Area an insult.

  • TV - Time Warner Cable Milwaukee Division serves Kenosha. Not Comcast. Milwaukee over the air TV signals are stronger in Kenosha then Chicago signals. Same goes with radio.
  • Fast food restaurants such as Wendys and McDonalds are part of the Milwaukee Division. Same goes with chain stores like Walgreens.
  • Kenosha gets its electricity from WE Energies, not Com-Ed
  • The National Weather Service Milwaukee-Sullivan office handles Kenosha County for forcasting and issuing weather warnings.
  • Illinois has a certain "feel" when you enter the Chicago area. Kenosha does not have this "feel" Kenosha "feels" like you're in Wisconsin.

DIRECT ROUTE TO CHICAGO (ALSO SCENIC) Did you know you can take Sheridan Road in Kenosha all the way to downtown Chicago when it turns to Lake Shore Drive. It also goes all the way into Milwaukee.

Kenosha as part of CHicago Metro has been there all my 61 years. For many it is as trivial as describing where we live in relation to the rest of the world. Chicago was and still is a great shopping metropolis and the tax difference makes it worth it. Many in my family lived in Kenosha, worked in Chicago. The people who have been a part of my life are more apt to associate with Chicago before Milwaukee. Any time our school was taken on field trips, it was always to Chicago. Opera in 5th grade, Symphony in 6th, Museum of Science and Industry for our 8th grade trip, Chicago Art Institute for my senior Art Class trip. We never went to Milwaukee. Dlschuch1953 (talk) 18:10, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology of Name

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Are we sure that the name "Kenosha" comes from Potawatomi mashknozhé (my guess on the proper spelling; on this page it's spelled "mas-ke-no-zha") and not just knozhé? The latter is the name for "northern pike" (see, for example, [1]), while the first probably means "muskellunge" (the literal translation being something more like "bad pike" or "ugly pike," judging by my limited knowledge of Ojibwe, where maashkinoozhe means "ugly pike"--i.e., "muskellunge").

It seems more likely to me that, of these two words for different types of pike--knozhé (pronounced k-noe-zhay) and something similar to mashknozhé (mawshk-noe-zhay)--the one almost matching "Kenosha" exactly is the origin. Does anyone have any references for the origin of the name that support "mas-ke-no-zha"? Or that support something different?

Thanks, --Red Newt 16:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Dictionary of Wisconsin History says "Kenosha" comes from the "Chippewa" word "Kinoje" to mean "pickerel or pike." But please keep in mind that "Chippewa" can be a collective term for all Anishinaabeg, and the area of Kenosha is not a traditional Ojibwe area, but that area was an area for the Potawatomi. The Ojibwe word described here in the Double Vowel spelling would be ginoozhe, which when converted to the Potawatomi orthography would be gnozhé. So Potawatomi? Yes. From Potawatomi word mashknozhé? No. From the Potawatomi word gnozhé? Yes. CJLippert 05:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The preceding 'name' stories, are completely incorrect. Everybody knows that 'Kenosha' comes from Longfellow's epic poem, 'The Song of Hiawatha', chapter 8, refering to the pike 'Kenozha'.CorvetteZ51 11:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i once read a kenosha news article that explained the origin of the name. i can't remember how the story goes, but maybe someone else does or could try and find it.

Pictures

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I recently removed some poor pictures of Kenosha and I see they have been replaced with some that are much better. Thanks very much!

Fair use rationale for Image:Kenoshapierheadlighthouse.jpg

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Demographics

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Whatever happened to the income levels? I can't seem to find them in any recent edits. Schnauf 18:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When I moved here in 2006, it was a "Blue-Collar Town." Now it is White-Collar? And as mentioned above, what about the income levels? What made this change from a Blue-Collar to White-Collar Town in 2 years? How much has the income gone up to justify changing this? I still see it as blue collar. February 3, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.53.5.142 (talk) 04:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would say it greatly varies. It is not really any collar in particular, it is a healthy mix of all. Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 21:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to move page to Kenosha

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Right now it's called Kenosha, Wisconsin. But it is a significantly sized city, and there is pretty much zero chance of another city ever being named Kenosha. So why not take out the extra letters? It's not like there are other Kenoshas out there. See Dunkirk for an even smaller city with nonesuch ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 22:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if it was something RHaworth or Lord Laitinen did wrong, but when the page got moved, the Facebook page that's linked to this Wikipedia article got renamed as well, so everyone's profile as well as business pages just says Kenosha now instead of Kenosha, Wisconsin. Something needs to be done about this. MikeM2011 (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Picture concern...

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A typical Kenosha neighborhood

With this picture, just no, no. It is not a neighborhood. It is a tree. It's in the outer part of a yard by a sidewalk. And, I know that neighborhood, it is not a "typical" neighborhood, it is a "nice" and more expensive neighborhood, relatively speaking. We need to replace it; if it is a picture of a "neighborhood" there should probably be some buildings in the picture. It's a great picture, but it's not a total representation of Kenosha and it's not a picture of a neighborhood. ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 21:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about this instead? http://www.city-data.com/picfilesv/picv5763.php ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 02:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

== New picture ==I live in the uptown area in an old historical section called "The Bond's Woods" in the late 1800s,due to the fact it was land owned by Mr. Josiah Bond. Much of his land was bought by the city to create a Memorial Park to president Lincoln. They planted many Oak tree in the park an the surrounding area. So many in fact that later with rising need of new housing for Civil War vets it came to to be called the'Oak Wood Subdivision'. This was typical of the forefathers of Kenosha after years if enduring down wind smell from tannery, they started purchasing land to male into the many city county parks we have today. Kenosha loves its Parks and Parkways,even the city encourages the growing of trees by offering free trees along with planting all at little to no cost,so home owners can contributed the park like atmosphere of the city. Kenosha is truly a city full of beautifully tree lined streets, as depicted in this photograph. But, lately there seems to be a trend due to many homeowner's busy schedules,that many are opting for low maintenance yards,so sadly the love for this tradition of planting trees along the parkways is cooling off to the point that lost trees are not being replaced. Also long with the trees goes the natural cooling of the pavements,sideways,homes etc.and the air cleaning,also the fresh new oxygen they furnish as well the barrier they provide between the street noises as natural mufflers. Our beautiful and quite streets are slowly disappearing and I belief we're being robbed of the sort of peace our forefathers enjoyed sitting on thier porch among the park like environments they cultivated for themselves. Ahh! the 'Good Old Days'!75.44.52.76 (talk) 15:30, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The picture for the city, which is currently the lighthouse, I think should more reflect the actual city. I am proposing the picture at the following link: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=117606&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=2451141359&aid=-1&id=100000244092155#/photo.php?pid=129362&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=2451141359&aid=-1&id=1510538742&fbid=1048645425630

If no one objects in a week I'm changing it. ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 00:49, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


ALL the pictures of Kenosha are pathetic. I mean really? That lighthouse pic? And the downtown area is so gorgeous and that is the best they can do. No pictures of petrified springs worth looking at either.


Dlschuch1953 (talk) 18:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Disappointment about notable information

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Why do you wish to keep out the information about a very important geological marine biology event that cost a lot of money to tourism and the fishing industry as a whole in the 60s. When alewives piled on the shores and destroyed the beaches, Coho were introduced and within a season the problem was not only rectified but brought on an entire new industry for Tourism with the yearly Kenosha Coho Arama, Now the Coho tournament.

Periodic mass dieoffs result in vast numbers of the fish washing up on shore; estimates by various governments have placed the percentage of Lake Michigan's biomass, which was made up of alewives in the early 1960s, as high as 90%. In the late 1960s, the various state and federal governments began stocking several species of salmonids, including the native lake trout as well as non-native chinook and coho salmon; by the 1980s, alewife populations had dropped drastically[1]

This event was covered comprehensively by National Geographic and the Discovery channel. As a 61 year old Keno, I can say the WIki article is spot-on but missing so much. Speaking of SPOT. Also the Spot drive-in which each and every Kenoshan will eat at whether living there or visiting. It is a teenage hotspot that is a rite of passage for the kids. But the adults pull in right behind them. It is one of the last cohesive bastions of all generations to co-mingle.[2]

Dlschuch1953 (talk) 17:54, 14 October 2014 (UTC)Dianne Schuch Lindsey[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
  2. ^ http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/fishing/documents/species/cohosalmon.pdf

Lee Iacoca Controversy

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The shutting down of the AMC plants was critical to Kenosha's economy. This has been covered by several notable rags. I will look for situations later. The irony was, the plants kept small and lucrative businesses from being able to get workers at an affordable pay for DECADES. So we had to travel to Milwaukee or Chicago to shop. When the plant closed, many were out of work, some close to pension. Every man in Kenosha, up until 1987, worked at one time for American Motors. It was just a rite of passage.

The positive was, many small businesses swooped in and changed not only the ambiance of downtown Kenosha, but ctreated amny more jobs than expected, Of course, they do not pay as well as AMC, but the all around benefits outweigh that.

Also, Jelly Belly has a factory there open ALL YEAR around, not just during the holidays. The Jelly Belly factory is in Pleasant Prairie, not Kenosha — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8036:5FB0:49A5:3EEA:2FC3:6151 (talk) 03:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Also The AMerican Eagle Plant demolition brought even more headaches because of toxicity and pollution leading them to have to postpone plans to make a park on top of the property[2][3]

You also forgot Anchor Hocking was and I think still is there. Also Pepsi Cola and Ocean Spray had a plant there.

Dlschuch1953 (talk) 18:20, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-03-02/news/8804040004_1_kenosha-workers-dumb-assembly-plant
  2. ^ http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/Brownfields/kep.html
  3. ^ http://dnr.wi.gov/files/PDF/pubs/rr/RR894.pdf

Two primary stresses?

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I really doubt "Kenosha" is pronounced /kɛˈnoʊˈʃɑː/ with two primary stresses; one of them must be a secondary stress.--Carnby (talk) 22:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The information below contains all the demographic statistics for the city of Kenosha, Wisconsin taken directly ( copy and paste ) from the U.S. Census (census.gov) for the year 2010. I noticed on the current wiki Kenosha site there is some anecdotal income statistics listed under the Economy section of the Kenosha wiki page, but that info sites a statistic for the year 2006. It's best that Wiki sites for Wisconsin (or any state's cities) be updated, at least with every 10 year US Census data. I think this is common sense and quite fair. Frankly, I think it would be un-American to exclude standard census data (below) from the Wikipedia websites of U.S. Cities.

The last info we have on these stats are from the 2010 Census, so I am proposing we put the entirety of this census info below on the Kenosha page under either Demographics or Economy- preferably Demographics, but I'm open on the issue of whether Demographics or Economy. In particular, we need to put the number of veterans who risked their lives for our country on the wiki site- some of whom suffer from the effects of risking all for our country- many of whom might struggle with health issues and poverty.

I also am proposing we make similar additions for the cities of Janesville and Racine.

I am an American and most of all, I love Wisconsin and want to do well for my friends in that state. The truth, Ed, is sometimes a short term pain in the ass, but in the long term, I think the truth is the way to go. I come from a family of staunch Republicans. My uncle John donated money to all Republican Presidents. ( He once shared a Hi-Ball with Richard Nixon- as John was a big donor ). I respect conservatism like I respect the blood in my veins. But when information is not fully presented accurately on very popular sites like Wikipedia ( Fifth in the World for web traffic ), whether those inaccuracies are promoted by Democrats or Republicans, I stand up and fight against that. Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican President and he wouldn't stand for it either. ( I spent a lot of my time growing up near Ripon Wisconsin, so I've been a Republican much of my life. ).

As a source, I recommend keeping the written sources as stated below, but adding the census.gov webpage at the start and also at the end of the post so people will have more than adequate access to the full citation of source. Kenosha is the fourth largest city in Wisconsin and it, like all other cities, should contain ALL of the information below. Janesville is the tenth largest. Racine is also one of the largest cities in Wisconsin. I would like to make these additions, please let me know if you agree. I am a lawyer and I fully believe that these statistics are needed to give a full and accurate picture of the demographic characteristics of these three cities, Janesville, Racine and Kenosha. Let me know. I think Wikipedia needs a general over-haul in terms of adding these statistics. If these stats are considered essential by the U.S. Census Dept. then why aren't they apart of Wikipedia? I'll wait for your response over the next 2-3 days, but if I don't hear back, I'll go ahead and make the changes. Thanks, enjoy the rest of your Holiday- Happy 4th!

2016 Population Estimates 99,631 Source: Vintage 2016 Population Estimates: Population Estimates

Median Household Income $ 49,160 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates

Per Capita (Per Person) Income: $ 23,471 Source: www.census.gov

Persons in poverty, percent 19.5 % Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Profiles

Educational Attainment: Percent high school graduate or higher 88.6 % Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Profiles

Persons without health insurance, percent 10.2 % Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Profiles

Median Housing Value $ 141,400 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates

Total Housing Units 40,660 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates

Number of Companies 5,837 Source: 2012 Survey of Business Owners: Company Summary

Male Median Income $ 30,551 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates

Female Median Income $ 20,145 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates

Veterans 5,867 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Profiles


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Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2020

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In history section it should be mentioned that Jacob Blacke was reaching for a knife and this is the reason he was shot. https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKBN25M0KS 2607:FEA8:460:4430:252F:CF27:DFB9:709D (talk) 06:41, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which others deny.Slatersteven (talk) 09:23, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done. This is clearly not "History", so I removed the paragraph, so the request is now moot. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is not "History", but it is not reasonable that the Kenosha article doesn't even cross-reference Shooting of Jacob Blake and the ensuing protests and violence. Of course, WP is not a newspaper, but that doesn't mean we should ignore events like this entirely (cf. WP:EVENT). The Blake shooting and subsequent events have been covered not only by national media, but around the world (France, Germany, India), with Kenosha being prominently mentioned. If not under History, what would be a more suitable section? --Macrakis (talk) 18:58, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that the recent events should be given their due weight in the article. Kenosha is a relatively small municipality and something with world wide significant coverage really shouldn't be ignored. -- Dolotta (talk) 23:34, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

missing: Jacob Blake and the consequences

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I'm appalled not to find any mentioning of Jacob Blake and the consequences (unrest in the city, dispatching of the National Guard, etc.) Those are in the international news, and here, they're not even linked in the history section?! Very strange. [And yes, this is developing history!] Any reason for the silence about what has catapulted Kenosha into the international spotlight? --Ibn Battuta (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because I removed it. Seriously though, appalled? That's pretty hyperbolic. Especially seeing something about ongoing events in the "History" section is silly. This is an article about the city from a long-term perspective, not a newspaper. At best, a link in the "See also" section would be appropriate. I wouldn't even be opposed to a temporary hatnote directing readers to the appropriate place. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:05, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just added a (temporary!) hatnote as just mentioned. At the very least, this should be given a good while, especially until it fades from the news cycle before anything specific is added. Even then, it's hard to see more than one or two sentences at this point. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Welp, I missed the responses above. Macrackis has a reasonable point, which hopefully the hatnote addresses. If not, what was there was way too detailed. For an article this broad, something along the lines of "In August 2020, riots/unrest/civil unrest/whatever erupted in the wake of the shooting of Jacob Blake by police." Anything more, especially at this point, is premature. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:20, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering why it was removed, but then it is only one killing.Slatersteven (talk) 07:51, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
While this is definitely a recent event, WP:USCITIES does suggest "events that shaped the community" in the history section. I'd be in favor of a line or two with a link to the two main articles. Something like, "In August 2020, a Black man was shot by police in Kenosha, resulting in protests in Kenosha and elsewhere". Magnolia677 (talk) 10:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But we do not know yet if this will "shape the community".Slatersteven (talk) 11:54, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Deacon Vorbis: hi. If this were about Paris or Moscow, I'd see your point. But, with all do respect, it's about - what's the name again? Kenotia? Kanusha? Somethink like that. Nobody EVER heard of it before Blake being shot there. Users click the page to get some local context, for instance the excellent demography data. And, essentially, your argumentation falls like a house of cards when you actually do read through the History section: minor local events receive their own paragraphs, with this or that specific Renault model being built there, or the street lamps (!) of anno ... being replicated and reinstalled. Which is fair enough. But the Blake shooting is LESS historic than that? Really? The fact that he was shot probably isn't, these events come a dozen to the cent, but THAT'S THE ISSUE, and this one made a difference. The Sarajevo assassination was also one of many in that time (especially in Russia, maybe less in Austria-Hungary), but it started of a certain event you might have heard about. I hope you did. The way you go on a political crusade here indicates that you either a) never heard of the Great War or anything of historical importance, or b) you do very well understand what does put History's wheels into motion, and this one development is not to your liking. Too much fuss, too many articles already, to paraphrase you. But it's like trying to stop a tornado with a pointy hood: physics works against it. Have a merry, unmasked day in the open. Arminden (talk) 07:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Petrifying Springs Park/Golf Course

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Hi, User:Magnolia677 and I are having some disagreements about the location of Petrifying Springs Park that I would like to open up for discussion. This user has removed the park's info as they are claiming it is not located in Kenosha based on "Google Maps and the county GIS...http://kc-web-01.kenoshacounty.org/InteractiveMapping/" My issue is that the park itself and the golf course both have addresses for Kenosha, Wisconsin. The official Kenosha County website lists the address as - Petrifying Springs Park 5555 7th Street, Kenosha, WI 53144 [2] (as does Google Maps). The issue here is that it has a Kenosha street address and a Somers, Wisconsin mailing address [3]. Nevertheless, I believe it is worth mentioning in this article given the official address is Kenosha. At the very least, it needs to be moved to Kenosha County, Wisconsin. Bloodyboppa (talk) 16:53, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it would be worth mentioning on the county website. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kenosha unrest shooting

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Both the article and "Talk" page at Kenosha unrest shooting are blocked from editing. Please fix this ridiculous situation immediately! 173.88.246.138 (talk) 23:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we protect articles when there is heavy vandalism or disruptive editing. You're free to make an edit request from either talk page in the meantime. OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Sullivan-Becker steam car mention

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I would like to fix the mistake in the mention of the Sullivan-Becker steam car. Because Sullivan-Becker did not exist until 1923. The mistake comes from John Sullivan being involved. It was built primarily by Robert Symmonds Jr., with John Sullivan and Louis Larson. Symmonds was an electrical engineer and General Superintendent at the Jeffery auto plant (technically Jeffery produced its first car for sale in 1902 but the company set up in the factory and began hiring in 1900) (Sullivan was a machinist at the plant as well, and would leave to work for Earl, then Petrel, which is where he met Lawrence Becker). Although Jeffery wasn't involved, it's the link which brought everyone together: it was built at a machine shop owned by Willard Arnold on 5th Ave, north of 57th St. So what would be acceptable as a source? I'm the historian at the Kenosha History Center and I have a dedicated article to it on our social media and I am probably the top authority on Kenosha history at the moment but is a link to a FB post is going to cut it? It's implied in the guidelines that it wouldn't be a reliable source, and to be fair I do not provide citations to my own sources on social media. Is a museum full of my work and an 146 year-old institution behind me enough to make me an established expert? It'd be easier than digging my own sources back up, because, as I said, I don't cite them on social media. 2603:6000:D600:4AB5:D136:5DB3:14F8:A2E5 (talk) 17:23, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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