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Kenosha lies on the western shore of Lake Michigan[edit]

Kenosha, or any other geographical place, does not "lay" anywhere. "Lay" is a transitive verb, and the intransitive verb that you want is "lie". Female birds and reptiles lay eggs, and I can lay my last dollar on a purchase. One the other hand, St. Louis lies along the Mississippi River, Chicago lies along the Chicago River, Washington, D.C., lies along the Potomac River, Cleveland lies along the southern shore of Lake Erie, and Naples, Italy, lies along the lower slopes of Mt. Vesuvius.

Also, the official spelling, and the official trademark of AMTRAK is in all upper case letters, just like I just typed it.98.81.9.253 (talk) 14:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Police controversy[edit]

Are there any citations for this section? Considering the accusations, there really should be. If not, the section should be removed. --BaronLarf 02:42, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

While not a citation, because I'm lazy, the Kenosha News, Racine Journal Times, and Chicago Tribute did cover the story. Racine Police were cited in the articles as stating they use water based pepper spray. Perhaps someone can provide citation in the article?


UW-Parkside[edit]

Interestingly no mention here of the UW - Parkside campus. I think that a link would at least serve justice. Also a little history from the AMC and American Brass, etc. days wouldn't hurt. Kenosha, Wisconsin in my opinion is a remarkable case of an American city that rebound after massive plant closures and depression. How was it done and who was behind the recovery is perhaps a noteworthy topic. HAE

I remember reading about Micheal in the paper. the cop got a medal and just recently the family won a settlement suit. but i think it should be its own article because like people have already voiced, this kind of thing happens in every major city sooner or later, and Kenosha wasn't the first or last to have such an unfortunate incident (for both sides). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.18.86 (talk) 04:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Notable people[edit]

The list of "notable people from Kenosha" has grown quite large. Are all of these people really from Kenosha, and in what way? (i.e., born in Kenosha, grew up in Kenosha, visited Kenosha once in 1967...? :) HollyAm 00:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

The list has now been greatly reduced to only Kenosha born notable people. Spizzma 06:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks; I changed the heading to "Notable natives" then. HollyAm 21:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, I removed "Michael Bell", over whom there has recently been a POV edit war. This news story occurred back in November 2004 and as I see it, it's not really appropriate for listing here unless someone can write an encyclopedic article about the incident. But, similar incidents have occurred in many other cities. Plus, the editors who have inserted Bell wikilink it to Michael Bell, a voice actor, a completely different person. HollyAm 21:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

  • There's probably going to be a rash of vanity entries on notable people, as the wikipedia entry has been linked to on http://www.dailykenoshan.com by a user who deems himself "notable." I don't think its enough to go on a watch list, though. 68.248.229.244 01:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I am curious why I inserted a name and it was erased. Robert Schuch [1]was an actor and producer from Kenosha who was in Kill me Again with Val Kilmer, Burning Rage with Barbra Mandrell and produced as well as acted in One Small Hero. He was in over 50 movies or TV shows. Was married to Susan Rattan [2]from L.A. law. He recently died young, so the list is not as long as other 'notable's but he was from Kenosha and if you know ANYTHING about the people from Kenosha, you know, that getting to the big screen or accomplishing something out of the norm is the desired epitaph.

Dlschuch1953 (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)Dianne Lindsey

Edit by 63.232.76.182[edit]

All due respect to National Geographic, but this does not sound right to me.Mikereichold 04:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

this page has a major flaw, kenosha is not a part if chicago land. many of the people in kenosha concider it to be an insult to be refered to in such a way.

What evidence do you have that it isn't? As far as I know, it is. Also, I live in Kenosha, and I have never heard of anyone be insulted by being refered to in such a way. And just a note, this does not have to do with the edit by 63.232.76.182, next time just start a new topic by putting == Title ==. :-)Spizzma 02:13, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Kenosha as Greater Chicagoland[edit]

Please put points for and against Kenosha as Greater Chicagoland here. If the position can be supported, then perhaps it needs looked at. Otherwise, some references to Kenosha being part of Chicagoland would be useful.

  • According to the online community http://www.kenoshaonline.net/, there is a controversy about the designation of Kenosha as part of Chicagoland. This is a large (1,000,000+ hits) community, and appears to be a counter-culture to the paper newspaper, "Kenosha News." 68.248.234.180 09:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Kenosha is currently the only city in Wiscosnin served by the Chicago Metra system. 68.248.234.180 09:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Due to the possiblity of an edit war, a citation has been requested for the reference as Kenosha as a part of Greater Chicagoland. 69.212.21.82 09:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Kenosha is a strange case as far as metro areas go. You could consider it part of Chicagoland or part of the Milwaukee Metro area. Or neither. The reality is that it's both. Kenosha gets both newspapers. Kenosha gets two of every major local TV network (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX). You'll find fans of both city's sports teams. I've seen most academics refer to Kenosha as part of Chicago and Racine, a similar size city just a few miles north as part of Milwaukee.

I live in Kenosha county and we are neither Milwaukee metro or Chicago metro. We are not anyone's suburbs. It really doesn't matter that we get both stations, have fans of both teams. That's because we don't have our own. Not many of us at all consider ourselves part of either. Racine and Kenosha are more each other's twins than part of anything else. They are very different, different crime rates, different housing types, different wealth levels, but are just as different as they are the same. Same culture, area, approximate founding, similar populations (however Kenosha's growing and Racine's shrinking). However most of us prefer to watch Milwaukee stations, probably because the Chicago stations exclude us. They don't put us in their forecasts, their news, anything. Milwaukee does. Plus, many advertisements in Chicago are Illinois-only, and many Milwaukee ads are also available in Kenosha. Why should we be considered Chicago when they express no interst in us?? The Person Who Is Strange 01:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it partly depends on whether the article is about Kenosha County or the City of Kenosha. Due to the large minority in southern Kenosha county (mostly in the town of Pleasant Prairie I believe) of former natives of the Chicago area and people living in Wisconsin but working in Illinois, it is arguable that the County of Kenosha may be significantly influenced by Chicago, that influence arguably being significantly less than the influence of the State of Wisconsin on Kenosha County. Even so, I don't believe that influence has much of an effect on the City of Kenosha or it's citizens. At this time the article is clearly centered around the city, therefor the Chicagoland reference is less relevant. This, of course, brings up the point that the Chicagoland reference would have more merit in the Kensha County article.

Kenosha is an odd case, until recently very culturally connected to Wisconsin and Milwaukee, but economically part of the Chicago metro area. This is not new. It has been decades now since Kenosha slipped from the Milwaukee TV ratings "book" into the Chicago ADI, which simply means that, statistically, most Kenosha residents watch Chicago stations. In terms of market share, Kenosha does not count as part of the advertising area for Milwaukee, but is counted as part of Chicago's market. If Keno was truly facing north, it would have hit the same rustbelt doldrums as Racine or Milwaukee, neither of which have the active economy that is evident in Kenosha. The increasing Illinois focus and changes brought by the shift in Kenosha's landscape have made some residents very nervous. There is a definite minority of people there who don't much like the "new Kenosha" and dislike the thought of being an outer suburb of Chicago, regardless of the evidence. But it is clear that Chicago is the power station that makes Kenosha's economy run, and that the effect has increased noticably over the past decade. DC600V 03:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Kenosha is an oddball and, for this reason alone, it cannot be part of Chicagoland but rather "heavily influenced" by the area. As far as sports teams go, the Chicago Cubs are king in Kenosha. Kenosha wasn't subject to the "stadium tax" that hit the areas around Milwaukee including Racine. But when we turn to football, die-hard packers fans seem to be the overwheming majority in Kenosha as well. The majority of the "Bears" fans you will find are actually ex-Chicago-area residents. I'd say WGN has a lot to do with how the Cubs came to be in favor in Kenosha, and the Packers are just a "Wisconsin thing". By the way, GO PACK! Gamegrid

I disagree about more Kenoshans watching Chicago stations. I don't know anyone who watches Chicago stations. (I live here.) Everyone I know watches Fox 6 Milwaukee news. This is because Kenosha is generally not on Chicago TV's weather reports, and our news is rarely reported either, whereas in Milwaukee stations we get our news, plus news at the state level for Jim Doyle's latest follies. We don't get Wisconsin gov't news on Chicago stations, obviously! And most of the ads in Chicago cater to that city because it is so large, but most Milwaukee ads are for places which have branches or locations in Milwaukee, Racine, Kenosha, Waukesha, and Sheboygan. I think we are a part of both and neither at the same time. But the dumb census people think otherwise... The Person Who Is Strange 02:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

  • AHA! I found a statistic on the county website about 49% of workers working outside Kenosha County, but I suck at citations so I just put a vaguely citation-looking link. But, about the Chicago advertising market, I have not once seen a Chicago-station advert advertise anything at all in Kenosha. Whereas, there are all sorts of things about Kenosha in the Milwaukee news. And to the person who said that "if Kenosha were truly facing north, it would be experiencing similar doldrums to Milwaukee and Racine," this is not completely true, because although many would not consider us in the Chicago area, a lot of Illinois residents move up here for various reasons: it's nicer, lower income taxes (sort of), cheaper housing, etc. But why do you think the housing is cheaper than in Illinois? Because it's also connected to Milwaukee. The only people I know who watch Chicago stations are people who have recently moved from Illinois. Inside the city of Kenosha itself, there are not as many ex-Chicagoans, many of these are found in Pleasant Prairie, which is practically a suburb of Kenosha (a smaller city that is very much under Kenosha's economic and cultural influence.) Personally I think Racine and Kenosha are more similar to each other than either of them is to either of the large cities. Also, about the Cubs thing, almost everyone I know is a Brewers fan. Our school goes on Brewers field trips. Kenosha is heavily influenced by both cities, but really is not a suburb of either. The wording on the economic section of this page is far too harsh; it makes it sound like effing Lake Forest or something. I'd say we have about 60% white collar and 40% blue. But yeah, the word "bedroom community" is a little harsh to describe a vibrant small city with nearly 100,000 residents. I wouldn't even consider it suburban. I vote that that section is re-written. Here are some facts:
    • A search for the word "Chicago" on kenoshanews.com returns 904 hits. A search for the word "Milwaukee" returns 1216.
    • The fact that Kenosha even has its own newspaper distinguishes it from the suburbs in Chicago's North Shore, which are served by one newspaper called the Lake County Herald or something like that.
    • On Facebook, if you look at people from Kenosha, most have joined the Milwaukee, WI network. Only those who moved recently from Illinois are listed as Chicago.

," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 00:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Another thing: on www.chicagojobs.com, they do not consider Kenosha County a part of the Chicago labor market. ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 21:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


I feel Kenosha being refered as part of the Chicagoland Metro Area an insult.

  • TV - Time Warner Cable Milwaukee Division serves Kenosha. Not Comcast. Milwaukee over the air TV signals are stronger in Kenosha then Chicago signals. Same goes with radio.
  • Fast food restaurants such as Wendys and McDonalds are part of the Milwaukee Division. Same goes with chain stores like Walgreens.
  • Kenosha gets its electricity from WE Energies, not Com-Ed
  • The National Weather Service Milwaukee-Sullivan office handles Kenosha County for forcasting and issuing weather warnings.
  • Illinois has a certain "feel" when you enter the Chicago area. Kenosha does not have this "feel" Kenosha "feels" like you're in Wisconsin.

DIRECT ROUTE TO CHICAGO (ALSO SCENIC) Did you know you can take Sheridan Road in Kenosha all the way to downtown Chicago when it turns to Lake Shore Drive. It also goes all the way into Milwaukee.

Kenosha as part of CHicago Metro has been there all my 61 years. For many it is as trivial as describing where we live in relation to the rest of the world. Chicago was and still is a great shopping metropolis and the tax difference makes it worth it. Many in my family lived in Kenosha, worked in Chicago. The people who have been a part of my life are more apt to associate with Chicago before Milwaukee. Any time our school was taken on field trips, it was always to Chicago. Opera in 5th grade, Symphony in 6th, Museum of Science and Industry for our 8th grade trip, Chicago Art Institute for my senior Art Class trip. We never went to Milwaukee. Dlschuch1953 (talk) 18:10, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Etymology of Name[edit]

Are we sure that the name "Kenosha" comes from Potawatomi mashknozhé (my guess on the proper spelling; on this page it's spelled "mas-ke-no-zha") and not just knozhé? The latter is the name for "northern pike" (see, for example, [1]), while the first probably means "muskellunge" (the literal translation being something more like "bad pike" or "ugly pike," judging by my limited knowledge of Ojibwe, where maashkinoozhe means "ugly pike"--i.e., "muskellunge").

It seems more likely to me that, of these two words for different types of pike--knozhé (pronounced k-noe-zhay) and something similar to mashknozhé (mawshk-noe-zhay)--the one almost matching "Kenosha" exactly is the origin. Does anyone have any references for the origin of the name that support "mas-ke-no-zha"? Or that support something different?

Thanks, --Red Newt 16:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

The Dictionary of Wisconsin History says "Kenosha" comes from the "Chippewa" word "Kinoje" to mean "pickerel or pike." But please keep in mind that "Chippewa" can be a collective term for all Anishinaabeg, and the area of Kenosha is not a traditional Ojibwe area, but that area was an area for the Potawatomi. The Ojibwe word described here in the Double Vowel spelling would be ginoozhe, which when converted to the Potawatomi orthography would be gnozhé. So Potawatomi? Yes. From Potawatomi word mashknozhé? No. From the Potawatomi word gnozhé? Yes. CJLippert 05:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The preceding 'name' stories, are completely incorrect. Everybody knows that 'Kenosha' comes from Longfellow's epic poem, 'The Song of Hiawatha', chapter 8, refering to the pike 'Kenozha'.CorvetteZ51 11:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

i once read a kenosha news article that explained the origin of the name. i can't remember how the story goes, but maybe someone else does or could try and find it.

Pictures[edit]

I recently removed some poor pictures of Kenosha and I see they have been replaced with some that are much better. Thanks very much!

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Demographics[edit]

Whatever happened to the income levels? I can't seem to find them in any recent edits. Schnauf 18:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

When I moved here in 2006, it was a "Blue-Collar Town." Now it is White-Collar? And as mentioned above, what about the income levels? What made this change from a Blue-Collar to White-Collar Town in 2 years? How much has the income gone up to justify changing this? I still see it as blue collar. February 3, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.53.5.142 (talk) 04:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I would say it greatly varies. It is not really any collar in particular, it is a healthy mix of all. Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 21:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposal to move page to Kenosha[edit]

Right now it's called Kenosha, Wisconsin. But it is a significantly sized city, and there is pretty much zero chance of another city ever being named Kenosha. So why not take out the extra letters? It's not like there are other Kenoshas out there. See Dunkirk for an even smaller city with nonesuch ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 22:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Not sure if it was something RHaworth or Lord Laitinen did wrong, but when the page got moved, the Facebook page that's linked to this Wikipedia article got renamed as well, so everyone's profile as well as business pages just says Kenosha now instead of Kenosha, Wisconsin. Something needs to be done about this. MikeM2011 (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Picture concern...[edit]

A typical Kenosha neighborhood

With this picture, just no, no. It is not a neighborhood. It is a tree. It's in the outer part of a yard by a sidewalk. And, I know that neighborhood, it is not a "typical" neighborhood, it is a "nice" and more expensive neighborhood, relatively speaking. We need to replace it; if it is a picture of a "neighborhood" there should probably be some buildings in the picture. It's a great picture, but it's not a total representation of Kenosha and it's not a picture of a neighborhood. ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 21:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

How about this instead? http://www.city-data.com/picfilesv/picv5763.php ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 02:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== New picture ==I live in the uptown area in an old historical section called "The Bond's Woods" in the late 1800s,due to the fact it was land owned by Mr. Josiah Bond. Much of his land was bought by the city to create a Memorial Park to president Lincoln. They planted many Oak tree in the park an the surrounding area. So many in fact that later with rising need of new housing for Civil War vets it came to to be called the'Oak Wood Subdivision'. This was typical of the forefathers of Kenosha after years if enduring down wind smell from tannery, they started purchasing land to male into the many city county parks we have today. Kenosha loves its Parks and Parkways,even the city encourages the growing of trees by offering free trees along with planting all at little to no cost,so home owners can contributed the park like atmosphere of the city. Kenosha is truly a city full of beautifully tree lined streets, as depicted in this photograph. But, lately there seems to be a trend due to many homeowner's busy schedules,that many are opting for low maintenance yards,so sadly the love for this tradition of planting trees along the parkways is cooling off to the point that lost trees are not being replaced. Also long with the trees goes the natural cooling of the pavements,sideways,homes etc.and the air cleaning,also the fresh new oxygen they furnish as well the barrier they provide between the street noises as natural mufflers. Our beautiful and quite streets are slowly disappearing and I belief we're being robbed of the sort of peace our forefathers enjoyed sitting on thier porch among the park like environments they cultivated for themselves. Ahh! the 'Good Old Days'!75.44.52.76 (talk) 15:30, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

The picture for the city, which is currently the lighthouse, I think should more reflect the actual city. I am proposing the picture at the following link: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=117606&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=2451141359&aid=-1&id=100000244092155#/photo.php?pid=129362&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=2451141359&aid=-1&id=1510538742&fbid=1048645425630

If no one objects in a week I'm changing it. ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true. Click here for more. My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 00:49, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


ALL the pictures of Kenosha are pathetic. I mean really? That lighthouse pic? And the downtown area is so gorgeous and that is the best they can do. No pictures of petrified springs worth looking at either.


Dlschuch1953 (talk) 18:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Disappointment about notable information[edit]

Why do you wish to keep out the information about a very important geological marine biology event that cost a lot of money to tourism and the fishing industry as a whole in the 60s. When alewives piled on the shores and destroyed the beaches, Coho were introduced and within a season the problem was not only rectified but brought on an entire new industry for Tourism with the yearly Kenosha Coho Arama, Now the Coho tournament.

Periodic mass dieoffs result in vast numbers of the fish washing up on shore; estimates by various governments have placed the percentage of Lake Michigan's biomass, which was made up of alewives in the early 1960s, as high as 90%. In the late 1960s, the various state and federal governments began stocking several species of salmonids, including the native lake trout as well as non-native chinook and coho salmon; by the 1980s, alewife populations had dropped drastically[3]

This event was covered comprehensively by National Geographic and the Discovery channel. As a 61 year old Keno, I can say the WIki article is spot-on but missing so much. Speaking of SPOT. Also the Spot drive-in which each and every Kenoshan will eat at whether living there or visiting. It is a teenage hotspot that is a rite of passage for the kids. But the adults pull in right behind them. It is one of the last cohesive bastions of all generations to co-mingle.[4]

Dlschuch1953 (talk) 17:54, 14 October 2014 (UTC)Dianne Schuch Lindsey

Lee Iacoca Controversy[edit]

The shutting down of the AMC plants was critical to Kenosha's economy. This has been covered by several notable rags. I will look for situations later. The irony was, the plants kept small and lucrative businesses from being able to get workers at an affordable pay for DECADES. So we had to travel to Milwaukee or Chicago to shop. When the plant closed, many were out of work, some close to pension. Every man in Kenosha, up until 1987, worked at one time for American Motors. It was just a rite of passage.

The positive was, many small businesses swooped in and changed not only the ambiance of downtown Kenosha, but ctreated amny more jobs than expected, Of course, they do not pay as well as AMC, but the all around benefits outweigh that.

Also, Jelly Belly has a factory there open ALL YEAR around, not just during the holidays. The Jelly Belly factory is in Pleasant Prairie, not Kenosha — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8036:5FB0:49A5:3EEA:2FC3:6151 (talk) 03:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

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Also The AMerican Eagle Plant demolition brought even more headaches because of toxicity and pollution leading them to have to postpone plans to make a park on top of the property[6][7]

You also forgot Anchor Hocking was and I think still is there. Also Pepsi Cola and Ocean Spray had a plant there.

Dlschuch1953 (talk) 18:20, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Two primary stresses?[edit]

I really doubt "Kenosha" is pronounced /kɛˈnˈʃɑː/ with two primary stresses; one of them must be a secondary stress.--Carnby (talk) 22:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

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  3. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
  4. ^ http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/fishing/documents/species/cohosalmon.pdf
  5. ^ http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-03-02/news/8804040004_1_kenosha-workers-dumb-assembly-plant
  6. ^ http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/Brownfields/kep.html
  7. ^ http://dnr.wi.gov/files/PDF/pubs/rr/RR894.pdf