Talk:Kenya Airways Flight 431

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Who were the survivors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

  • I do not know - I would have to check the Kenya Airways archives WhisperToMe (talk) 23:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
    • One of the survivors, a Frenchman, was named.

Stuff[edit] says "Kenya Airways will transport the bodies of the dead Nigerians to Lagos."

I'd like to see if a newspaper article says this...

English front page archive:

French front page archive:

WhisperToMe (talk) 05:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Degrees of burn[edit]

The article talks about people being killed or seriously injured by 'first degree burns'. On pretty much any first aid course, you get told about how the burns degree system is counter intuitive- first and third degree burns are both annoying- it's just that first degree burns annoy you, third degree burns lead to your survivors being disappointed that more wasn't done to protect you. A translation check'd be helpful. Nevard (talk) 22:38, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

That is potentially confusing, yes. To clarify matters, these people weren't scorched by burning jet fuel, since there was no fire. Rather, they were bathed in jet fuel which had not ignited. This fuel was causing first-degree burns due to its chemistry, which can strongly irritate the skin. The statements about first degree burns come from the source, the official translation of the accident report. However, this source never claims that these burns killed or seriously injured anyone; it merely mentions that the victims had them. (The article previously claimed that the pilots' deaths were partly due to these burns; I've just fixed this.) --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 02:33, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Archived references not used in the article[edit]

--Jetstreamer Talk 13:41, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Not A CFIT?[edit]

I don't see why the CFIT category was removed. After all, it certainly meets the definition-there were no malfunctions other than the erroneous stall warning, the pilots remained in control of the plane, and their control inputs led to the plane hitting the sea. (talk) 22:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

You're right. I've reinstated the category.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:42, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


Jetstreamer: what exactly do you want an explanation of? The section on the pilots is lacking important information: their names, and their experience. I added those. I happened to read Korean Air Flight 801 just before, so I modeled the section on that page, which I thought was well-written.

"He qualified as an A310 pilot on 20 July 1999" is clearly wrong as the cited source states "A310 type rating obtained on 10 August 1986". 20 July 1999 is when he was upgraded to captain. I don't know that the yearly renewal date of his pilot's license is of any relevance, it would only be notable if he didn't hold one. The excess of uselessly detailed information is making the paragraph hard to read. (talk) 05:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Copyvio issue[edit]

Regarding this [1], please see text supported by source number 8. You may also want to take a look at my talk [2]. Thanks.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

I have removed the copyvio template after carefully checking the source and making large changes to the two added passages (including combining them). I also note that the article was citing the report under three different reference names, plus several instances of simply repeating the citation. I've combined all except the separate citation of the English; I suspect this is exactly the same, but it has a slightly different URL so it may be a different version of the translation. This is my edit. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:22, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks!--Jetstreamer Talk 18:27, 23 February 2016 (UTC)