Talk:Koji Uehara

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His second pitch: forkball or splitter?

Apparently, he throws a four-seam fastball and a split-finger fastball. I put in two refs for this, and here's another. I didn't see any as-reliable refs saying he throws a forkball. And, apparently there's a difference between a forkball and a split finger fastball which is why we have separate articles on each.

I don't have any investment in this, I just want to get it right. If editors have references indicating forkball, let's see them and we can talk about this. Absent that, I don't think it's useful to just restore "forkball", especially if retaining the refs that say splitter. Herostratus (talk) 17:40, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The pitch is called as a forkball by himself. Just like Lincecum describes his split-finger grip pitch as a change-up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ofakb (talk • contribs) 02:06, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ofakb. OK, but, a couple things.

First of all, can you point to a ref of him saying that?
Second of all, even if he does call it a forkball, that doesn't make it a forkball. He's Japanese and may not be fully versed in the details of English America baseball terminology. If he jams the ball deep between his fingers, resulting in a pitch slower but with more movement than a splitter, it's a forkball; otherwise not -- see Forkball. We could possibly compromise on something like "...a split-finger fastball which Uehara calls a forkball" or something, maybe, if we can find a ref of him saying that.
Third of all, I know you're new and I'm not complaining and it takes time to learn all the technical details, but the references I put in say splitter. Maybe they're wrong, but if you change it back to forkball, you have to remove the refs too. Otherwise we have the article saying one thing and the refs saying another, which we don't want. (I went ahead and did this for you.)

Everything I've seen says Uehara throws a splitter. Every discussion and list of forkball pitchers I've found does not include Uehara. It's possible that all those people are wrong, but I dunno. I made the original change because I saw this, where Matthew Kory (a guy who writes for Baseball Prospectus and so knows a thing or two I suppose) says our article is wrong and kind of makes fun of us, which I don't like. Uehara is going to be in the spotlight in the next week and a lot of people are going to access this article and so I'd like to get this resolved before the Series starts, so I'm eager to see those refs. Herostratus (talk) 02:42, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

These are the refs removed from the article for now: ^[1]^[2]

^ Jason Mastrodonato (October 5, 2013). "Uehara, bullpen slam door emphatically on Rays". MLB.com. Retrieved October 18, 2013.
^ "Koji Uehara". Baseball Prosectus. Retrieved October 18, 2013.

On further consideration, considering that this is a WP:BLP, ("unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately") I think it's best to remove all mention of what pitches he uses since it's contended, and also anything about giving up home runs since that's at least arguably derogatory and is unsourced. Herostratus (talk) 12:06, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Jason Mastrodonato (October 5, 2013). "Uehara, bullpen slam door emphatically on Rays". MLB.com. Retrieved October 18, 2013.

[2] "Koji Uehara". Baseball Prosectus. Retrieved October 18, 2013.

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