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Missing ship vs. Missing wreck
[edit]It would be nice to mark out "missing wrecks" among the list of "missing ships". When the list has grown to considerable size it would be possible to split the list into two articles. --Kvasir (talk) 08:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Citation
[edit]In light of user:Otolemur crassicaudatus over zealous citation tagging -- sometimes tagging BOTH the section and the only entry in the section -- I have brought the issue to the following discussion: Wikipedia_talk:When_to_cite#Citation_in_lists. Seems like the concensus is that entries collected from Category:Disappeared ships and others (I also found other similar categories such as Category:Missing submarines of WWII and Category:Missing U-boats) implies that the ship is missing and therefore does not require repeat citation. I have also checked all the articles in the categories to confirm they are in fact missing. I have found some ships in those categories were actually ghost ships. Any additional entries and infomation not in those categories and the ship article itself will need citation. --Kvasir (talk) 20:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
- Any idea on how to shorten the citation section? In light of citation police out here this section will be as long as the article itself, since 95% of all entry has a corresponding citation. --Kvasir (talk) 06:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
- It is not a fact if there are sources in other articles or not. The fact is that sources should be provided in this article. It is very much necessary to provide source for each and every fact to promote this article to Featured List status. Without citation, the list cannot be promoted to Featured List status. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 15:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
- This list is only a few days old, and continually growing. It's nowhere near Featured List anytime soon nor is it trying to seek the status since this list will never been complete (we can never account for all ships that have ever gone missing). --Kvasir (talk) 17:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
- It is not a fact if there are sources in other articles or not. The fact is that sources should be provided in this article. It is very much necessary to provide source for each and every fact to promote this article to Featured List status. Without citation, the list cannot be promoted to Featured List status. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 15:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Australia
[edit]A great source for Australian shipwrecks can be found at http://oceans1.customer.netspace.net.au/easw.html . I have just finished adding entries from Tasmania. I basically search the word "never" as in "never heard from" or "never seen again" and add the entries. I have skipped "unidentified" ships that the names have not been reported or they were not registered. I don't think they are important anyway. Next would be wikify all the entries.
Feel free to contribute by adding the rest of the region. I'm not sure if it's meaningful to divide Australia into states, but it looks like there are going to be a lot of entries for Australia. --Kvasir (talk) 00:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Australia to-do list: NSW, QLD, S AUS, VIC, W AUS, Australia Run, General, International, New zealand, South pacific. --Kvasir (talk) 05:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Tables
[edit]I have now started to incorporate sortable collapsible tables which would improve the look of the article. Please use existing tables as template for new entries and continue using the same format for entries that haven't been incorporated yet. --Kvasir (talk) 22:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Canada
[edit]Nova Scotia
[edit]Nice database available here to add new entries: http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mma/wrecks/wrecks/Results.asp?Search=unknown&fieldSelect=locWreck&Start=1 --Kvasir (talk) 22:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- 147(!) records for ships that were registered in NS. Need to cut this some how.
Vessel Name Date of Wreck Event Location of Wreck
A. Anthony - 1888 1888-01-23 Abandoned Unknown
A. D. Huff - 1941 1941-02-01 Missing Unknown Albert M. - 1884 1884-03-21 Foundered Unknown Alert - 1843 1843-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Alice M. - 1876 1876-09-01 Foundered Unknown Alpha - 1879 1879-01-01 Missing Unknown Anemone - 1880 1880-12-03 Stranded Unknown Asteriana - 1873 1873-01-01 Missing Unknown Annie Carroll - 1962 1962-12-17 Wrecked Unknown Annie - 1883 1883-12-16 Foundered Unknown Arthur - 1849 1849-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Bachelor - 1827 1827-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Bessie Gardner - 1876 1876-12-09 Missing Unknown Bessie - 1876 1876-01-01 Missing Unknown Boadicea - 1879 1879-01-01 Missing Unknown Brisk - 1839 1839-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Brothers - 1813 1813-01-01 Wrecked Unknown C. F. Elwell - 1880 1880-01-02 Missing Unknown Canadian Cruiser - 1941 1941-02-22 Missing Unknown Canadolite - 1941 1941-03-22 Missing Unknown Catherine Royal - 1879 1879-08-16 Foundered Unknown Clarence - 1876 1876-12-09 Missing Unknown Coila - 1879 1879-01-01 Missing Unknown Commerce - 1848 1848-06-09 Missing Unknown Cynthea Palmer - 1874 1874-05-10 Missing Unknown D. W. Dexter - 1883 1883-08-29 Missing Unknown Dacian - 1872 1872-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Daniel Simmons - 1898 1898-11-27 Missing Unknown Dartmouth - 1879 1879-01-01 Missing Unknown Delta - 1883 1883-12-31 Foundered Unknown Dove - 1845 1845-10-11 Wrecked Unknown Dreadnot - 1879 1879-01-01 Missing Unknown E. & F. Williams - 1873 1873-06-20 Foundered Unknown Edith R. - 1883 1883-08-29 Missing Unknown Edith Troop - 1880 1880-01-01 Missing Unknown Eldon - 1893 1893-04-27 Missing Unknown Eliza - 1835 1835-01-04 Wrecked Unknown Ella And Winnie - 1882 1882-10-01 Foundered Unknown Ellie E. Butler - 1883 1883-08-01 Missing Unknown Emily Jane - 1883 1883-08-01 Foundered Unknown Erema - 1884 1884-11-01 Foundered Unknown Flying Arrow - 1881 1881-01-27 Missing Unknown Emma Proctor - 1893 1893-08-22 Stranded Unknown Emma V. - 1880 1880-01-01 Foundered Unknown England - 1880 1880-11-21 Foundered Unknown Estella - 1879 1879-01-06 Capsized Unknown Ethel And Albert - 1945 1945-08-02 Collision Unknown Evading - 1877 1877-12-03 Unknown Unknown Flora B. - 1941 1941-06-24 Missing Unknown Francis Hilyard - 1879 1879-01-27 Sprung a leak Unknown Henrietta - 1880 1880-10-01 Missing Unknown Frederick H. Ii - 1940 1940-08-15 Sank Unknown Freeeman Dennis - 1881 1881-01-01 Missing Unknown Friendship - 1788 1788-01-01 Wrecked Unknown G. T. Windsor - 1879 1879-01-01 Foundered Unknown G. W. Jones - 1876 1876-01-01 Missing Unknown George Bell - 1881 1881-10-01 Wrecked Unknown George - 1876 1876-01-01 Foundered Unknown Ginger Kaye - 1966 1966-01-24 Wrecked Unknown Glenfield - 1957 1957-04-07 Missing Unknown Glennala - 1878 1878-01-01 Missing Unknown Grace Rice - 1899 1899-07-14 Missing Unknown Hector - 1872 1872-01-01 Missing Unknown Hero - 1827 1827-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Idolexue - 1871 1871-01-01 Stranded Unknown Irma & Rog - 1952 1952-03-03 Missing Unknown Irving Hall - 1880 1880-11-01 Missing Unknown Isabella - 1821 1821-01-01 Wrecked Unknown J. B. White - 1941 1941-03-01 Missing Unknown James Arthur - 1892 1892-10-01 Missing Unknown Jessie Mcleod - 1879 1879-01-01 Capsized Unknown Jessie Purney - 1878 1878-01-01 Foundered Unknown Jimmy & Sisters - 1961 1961-03-21 Missing Unknown John Snow - 1878 1878-01-01 Missing Unknown Joyce And Reanie - 1961 1961-06-24 Stranded Unknown Kate - 1892 1892-03-28 Wrecked Unknown Kathleen - 1885 1885-12-04 Missing Unknown Katie - 1876 1876-01-01 Foundered Unknown Kenordoc - 1940 1940-09-15 Missing Unknown King Of Algeria - 1879 1879-01-01 Missing Unknown Kooria Mooria - 1871 1871-01-01 Stranded Unknown Lake Michigan - 1879 1879-01-01 Missing Unknown Lennox - 1877 1877-01-01 Foundered Unknown Lydia - 1876 1876-12-11 Foundered Unknown M. A. Benson - 1870 1870-09-05 Foundered Unknown Little Clive - 1952 1952-03-03 Missing Unknown Lizzie M. - 1899 1899-07-28 Sank Unknown Lizzie M. Stewart - 1879 1879-01-01 Missing Unknown Louisa Cook - 1871 1871-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Malta - 1878 1878-01-01 Missing Unknown Maplecourt - 1941 1941-02-01 Missing Unknown Marjorie Byrl - 1961 1961-03-21 Missing Unknown Mary Lowerison - 1881 1881-01-01 Missing Unknown Matilda C. - 1947 1947-08-13 Wrecked Unknown May - 1885 1885-01-28 Missing Unknown Morning Star - 1823 1823-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Mello - 1885 1885-01-01 Missing Unknown Messenger - 1873 1873-08-24 Foundered Unknown Mignonette - 1880 1880-01-01 Foundered Unknown Mineola - 1872 1872-01-01 Missing Unknown Minnie Arnold - 1871 1871-02-15 Abandoned Unknown Minnie Cronan - 1876 1876-01-01 Unknown Unknown Mozart - 1872 1872-03-04 Wrecked Unknown Muriel Eileen - 1961 1961-03-21 Missing Unknown Nancy And Janet - 1964 1964-06-08 Wrecked Unknown Native - 1873 1873-08-24 Wrecked Unknown Natrona - 1879 1879-01-01 Foundered Unknown Nellie Jones - 1878 1878-01-01 Foundered Unknown Neried - 1873 1873-07-27 Foundered Unknown Niagara - 1870 1870-09-19 Foundered Unknown Ottawa - 1942 1942-09-01 Sank Unknown Otto And Antonia - 1893 1893-08-17 Missing Unknown Parker M. Whitmore - 1890 1890-08-24 Stranded Unknown Pictou - 1873 1873-11-01 Missing Unknown Platina - 1893 1893-01-01 Missing Unknown Portadoc - 1941 1941-04-04 Missing Unknown Queen Of The Cape - 1876 1876-02-01 Foundered Unknown R. Leach - 1885 1885-12-26 Missing Unknown Rockwood - 1879 1879-01-01 Missing Unknown Roderick - 1870 1870-09-04 Foundered Unknown S. H. Sweet - 1877 1877-11-01 Missing Unknown S. T. A. Frost - 1879 1879-01-01 Missing Unknown Sandnaes - 1886 1886-11-28 Stranded Unknown Sarah - 1837 1837-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Shelburne - 1841 1841-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Spring Bird - 1811 1811-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Stag - 1880 1880-01-01 Foundered Unknown Success - 1789 1789-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Superb - 1839 1839-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Susan Crane - 1840 1840-10-01 Wrecked Unknown Tangier - 1873 1873-11-07 Abandoned Unknown Thorold - 1940 1940-08-22 Missing Unknown Trial - 1805 1805-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Two Brothers - 1820 1820-01-01 Stranded Unknown Union - 1891 1891-10-13 Wrecked Unknown Vancouver Island - 1941 1941-10-15 Missing Unknown Vigilant - 1820 1820-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Woodbine - 1839 1839-01-01 Wrecked Unknown Xagua - 1874 1874-09-04 Missing Unknown Vulcan - 1836 1836-01-01 Wrecked Unknown W. D. Stewart - 1879 1879-01-01 Missing Unknown W. H. Brookfield - 1881 1881-01-01 Missing Unknown W. J. Hatfield - 1876 1876-01-28 Wrecked Unknown Walloon - 1878 1878-01-01 Foundered Unknown Watkins F. Nisbet - 1940 1940-12-07 Missing Unknown William Bowen - 1870 1870-09-19 Collision Unknown William Hayes - 1883 1883-11-01 Missing Unknown |
Marion
[edit]This entry was in the List of shipwrecks, however I wasn't able to find a source saying that it's a real event. All I found was that it seems to be a Newfoundlander folk song "Loss of the Marion". Anyone know if an actual ship Marion disappeared? --Kvasir (talk) 19:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
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Sources
[edit]This list was initially compiled from Category:Disappeared ships, Category:Missing submarines of WWII and Category:Missing U-boats with others to be added from the lists
- http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Wrecks/wrecks1816-1818.html
- http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Wrecks/wrecks19thc.html
- http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Wrecks/lost.html
- http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Wrecks/nalosses.htm
I'm trying to add all ships labelled as "missing" or "never heard of" to this article. This would not include known wrecks that are not relocated again, which are harder to identify and verify. Currently this list hopes to include both. Please add more examples to this list if there are any uncatergorised article out there somewhere. --Kvasir (talk) 06:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
- There may be more entries in List of shipwrecks that should be in this one. That list seems to combine both the definition of wreck as a physical object and wreck as an event. This will take more time to go through and pick out those that are missing or have no definite location (no exact coordinates available). --Kvasir (talk) 20:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
References
[edit]Can someone that's familiar with the format please clean up the reference link to wikipedia standard? Perhaps we can categorise them? --Kvasir (talk) 16:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Source needed
[edit]The following entries require source. They were mostly moved from List of shipwrecks. --Kvasir (talk) 19:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
North America
[edit]- F.H. Prince - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck) [citation needed]
- Quito - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck) [citation needed]
- Saint Lawrence - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck) [citation needed]
- Saint Louis - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck) [citation needed]
- Toledo - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck) [citation needed]
- Tioga - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck) [citation needed]
- Wend the Wave - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck) [citation needed]
- Wesee - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck) [citation needed]
- William H. Stevens - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck) [citation needed]
- Zadock Pratt - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck) [citation needed]
- Early Riser - 1876 [citation needed]
- HMS Pallas - 1783 - ran aground at St. George's Island, wreck not positively identified [citation needed]
- San Pedro - 1596 - Spanish nao wreck not positively identified [citation needed]
- Santa Ana - 1605 - Spanish nao wreck not positively identified [citation needed]
- Unidentified wreck - around 1750 - known as the "Frenchman" wreck [citation needed]
- Unidentified wreck - around mid-18th century - known as the "Manilla" wreck [citation needed]
- Unidentified wreck - 1849 - believed to be the Minerva though that ship was wrecked in 1795 [citation needed]
Island Queen
[edit]I just removed "Island Queen" from List of people who have disappeared [1]. Maybe it belongs here. 58.8.5.244 (talk) 16:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- "On 6 August 1944, a ship named the Island Queen vanished completely from Grenada. A second ship, the Providence Mark, which made the same journey on the same night arrived safely with no hint of trouble. Not a trace of the Island Queen or the people on board was ever found."
- Thankyou. I'll add it once a reference is found. --Kvasir (talk) 19:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
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General Grant
[edit]Where should the General Grant (ship) lost in the Auckland Islands go - New Zealand or Auckland Islands or Southern Ocean or ?? I think there is annother book out about her (and the gold!) this year. Hugo999 (talk) 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for this entry. I've added it under Oceania - New Zealand. If it's off the Auckland Island it's definitely is in NZ territorial waters. --Kvasir (talk) 16:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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Missing wrecks to be added
[edit]IJN Shinano IJN Soryuu was sunk and has an approximate location https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Japanese_aircraft_carrier_S%C5%8Dry%C5%AB¶ms=30_38_N_179_13_W_ IJN Hiryuu is also missing but confirmed sank
not sure how to add these myself but I think Shinano at least deserves to be added 108.26.140.126 (talk) 12:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
SS Pacific
[edit]The ship was descoverd in 2023 2600:1700:D770:B580:44B0:1934:39DD:836A (talk) 21:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
French submarine Eurydice (S644)
[edit]The sub was found the same year it was lost. 2600:1700:D770:B580:44B0:1934:39DD:836A (talk) 21:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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