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Venus Rover Mission

The Venera 9 rover, which was launched by the USSR and landed on Venus, is missing from this list. Suggest it be added if anyone has knowledge on that topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.142.31.214 (talk) 05:15, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Curiosity landing date

Hi

Curiosity has just had it 10 year day in Mars since landing in August 2012 (verified on the Wiki-page for Curiosity).

However on this page it says that the rover landed on Mars in January 2012. Sporally (talk) 15:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. I don't know where the January 25 date came from; as far as I can tell, no notable events related to the rover happened on that date. Ionmars10 (talk) 05:20, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Varying opinions, but all agree to stay with current title. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:34, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of rovers on extraterrestrial bodies → List of mobility spacecrafts on extraterrestrial bodies – We include Ingenuity but it's not a river but more will come like hopper, chang'e 8 flying probe etc that have I will say to change title 122.187.144.98 (talk) 14:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC) 122.187.144.98 (talk) 15:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as the proposed title does not satisfy the recognizability, naturalness, or concision requirements of WP:CRITERIA. All 'rover' implies is wandering, so it should be applicable to hoppers. Praemonitus (talk) 16:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, nobody uses such term. Artem.G (talk) 21:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: AFAIK, the plural of "spacecraft" is "spacecraft", not "spacecrafts". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, the present name seems much more understandable, and being briefer also counts in its favor. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:42, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for all of the many reason above. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:30, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But is a helicopter a rover @Artem.G@BarrelProof@Praemonitus@Randy Kryn@SmokeyJoe 122.187.144.98 (talk) 14:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I mean Ingenuity 122.187.144.98 (talk) 14:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

when there would be more helicopters on Mars, List of helicopters on Mars can be created. but renaming the list from "rovers" to something that nobody uses is not a solution Artem.G (talk) 15:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mars Sample Recovery Helicopter has wheels so no problem but dragonfly has no wheels. Eyiither name changes or remove them we wont have problems as we can send them to Aerobot 122.187.144.98 (talk) 14:48, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe they still meet the definition of a planetary surface exploration vehicle, even if they hop instead of using wheels. They're not aerostats and they do make frequent contact with the ground. The NASA definition of rover says only that it is a vehicle for exploring the surface; the dictionary has the same definition. There's nothing in the definition about ground mobility. Is there an authoritative source (not Wikipedia) that says otherwise? Praemonitus (talk) 19:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dragonfly isn't on anything yet, so the list seems fine as it stands now. Although 'flying' is not exactly 'roving' it's in the ballpark. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Randy Kryn it's nowhere, I know, but it sits on this page 122.187.144.98 (talk) 02:45, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Praemonitus maybe the dictionary is not updated because gunny us never termed a rover by nasa. BTW mate, what is ginny doning there at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobot#Planetary_rotorcraft then? It must have been long removed! 122.187.144.98 (talk) 02:37, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I follow your vernacular English, but your understanding of a 'rover' is sometimes referred to as a 'ground rover'. Praemonitus (talk) 03:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: This is, technically, more accurate, but it's better to stretch the definition of rover, even if you have to do it quite a bit, than to try to give a technical definition of "rover or helicoper or other mobility vehicle" in the title. People will still find it, and we could also make some redirects from "List of helicopters on extraterrestial bodies" and so on to the main article for discoverability purposes. Mrfoogles (talk) 23:51, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah you are right redirects help here 122.187.144.98 (talk) 02:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: A helicopter, even with wheels, ought not be called a "rover". "List of rovers and aircraft..." would work as a title, but it might be better, eventually, to have a separate article for each type. DonFB (talk) 04:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that's your opinion. What about a ground hopper? Is that a third category? Dictionary definitions: "a vehicle for exploring rough terrain, especially a planet or another extraterrestrial body"; "a small vehicle that can move over rough ground, often used on the surface of other planets, sometimes controlled from the earth"; "a vehicle used for exploring the surface of a moon, planet, etc." Note the movement type isn't restricted. Praemonitus (talk) 14:10, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Praemonitus that's why I said mobility spacecrafts. when do nasa call Ingenuity a rover I ask again. 122.187.144.98 (talk) 17:45, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The general definition of 'rover' at least allows for other forms of mobility besides wheels, and both the NASA and dictionary definitions do not preclude means of mobility such as hopping or screw drives.[1] For the present, I think this title will suffice, at least until we get more examples of airborne vehicles on extraterrestrial bodies. Praemonitus (talk) 18:09, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Suggestions for future reference

When someday we do have aquatic crafts or more aircrafts on other planets, I would suggest "List of autonomous crafts on extraterrestrial bodies" to distinguish it from manned crafts like those used during the Apollo missions. "Unmanned" might also be a good term, seeing as many of these have little actual autonomy... Regardlless, I wouldn't know what a "mobility craft" is. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]