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DYK nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk14:51, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy Smith Millikin
Lucy Smith Millikin

Created by Cstickel(byu) (talk). Self-nominated at 15:00, 22 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article and hooks appear to meet requirements and I didn't find any close paraphrasing. The hooks (particularly ALT2) could probably be improved by explicitly mentioning her as being Joseph Smith's sister. There's a sentence in the article that says "passed away"; such wording is usually avoided in articles per WP:EUPHEMISM. QPQ has been done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Article is scheduled to appear on the Main Page for Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/July 18 for the 200th anniversary of her birth. I don't remember if DYK has a specific policy about this, but from the OTD perspective, articles are supposed to only get one appearance per year as a featured item on the Main Page. While exceptions do happen (mostly due to human error), this means that if it appears in any other section in a calendar year, I won't select it for OTD. Normally, articles don't get into OTD before DYK, so this is kind of an outlier, but I would suggest that this article be considered ineligible for DYK because of this. Alternatively, if DYK is the preferred outlet, then I'll be happy to remove it from OTD this year despite the bicentennial anniversary. howcheng {chat} 08:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about OTD, but in the case of ITN an article is ineligible for DYK if it appears as a bolded link in an ITN blurb, but not if the article is listed under Recent Deaths. Given that her appearance in selected anniversaries is not a blurb but rather under the births/dates section, I presume that the rules for OTD are similar and the article can still run on DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Since OTD got first crack at it, I guess that works. If it had been the other way around, I would have excluded it from OTD. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 07:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Proposing ALT2a:...that Lucy Smith Millikin (pictured) fainted while running to spread the news about her brothers (Joseph and Hyrum Smith) being released from prison? Cstickel(byu) (talk) 13:41, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'd personally remove the parentheses from the hook since those are usually discouraged in hooks, but other than that it sounds good. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:40, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not a personal preference: the parentheses must be removed from the hook as they are avoidable (see WP:DYKSG#C9):
However, I don't find fainting due to running particularly interesting, and don't recommend that ALT2b or ALT2 be approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:15, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for catching that with the parentheses. I agree with BlueMoonset; ALT2b isn't the best. It's pretty much only there for the Joseph Smith name drop. For what it's worth, I think ALT1 is the most interesting—but I think ALT0 would also get some pageviews. Cstickel(byu) (talk) 15:00, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, with the issues addressed, I think the nomination is good to go. There appears to be some agreement to go with either ALT0 or ALT1; I have a slight preference for ALT0 but would not oppose ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:03, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]