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Requested Move

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move to Marian Gaborik.Joelito (talk) 14:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am requesting that this article be moved from Marián Gáborík to Marian Gaborik because the most common way of spelling it in English is Marian Gaborik and not Marián Gáborík. My requested move is backed up by:

  • Wikipedia:Naming conventions "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature."
  • Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) "If you are talking about a person, country, town, movie or book, use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works. This makes it easy to find, and easy to compare information with other sources."
  • Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics) "Diacritics should only be used in an article's title, if it can be shown that the word is routinely used in that way, with diacritics, in common usage. This means in reliable English sources, such as encyclopedias, dictionaries, or articles in major English-language newspapers." and "If the word is routinely listed in reliable English sources without diacritics, then the Wikipedia article should follow that method for the article title, though the diacritics version should be given in the initial paragraph of the article as suggested in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)." and "If it is not clear what "common usage" is, then the general Wikipedia guideline is to avoid use of diacritics in article titles."
  • bio=yes/Player pages format#Use of diacritics and non-English characters

A quick google search, minus wikipedia, english only websites, clearly reveals that Marian Gaborik is the most common way to refer to this article in English [1]

Those are just the top ten webpages from a quick google search. A quick look at the next ten on a google search also makes it clear that the diacritic form of the article spelling is rare in English, if at all. Not only do reputable websites not include diacritics, but English newspapers, such as the Vancouver Province also omit them. It is very clear that the current article title is wrong and must be moved. Masterhatch 18:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What this is and is not

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This is not a survey encompassing all of wikipeida. This is not a survey encompassing all of hockey wikipedia. The outcome of this survey will only affect this article, Marian Gaborik. If you are interested in discussing whether or not wikipedia should use diacritics as a whole in article titles, then go here Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics). This survey is only regarding whether this article title should be Marián Gáborík or Marian Gaborik. Masterhatch 00:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Before you vote

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Before you vote, ask yourself a few simple questions.

  • Are the current wikipedia policies relevant here? If so, are they acceptable policies?
  • Are the current wikipedia guidelines relevant here? If so, are they acceptable guidelines?
  • What is the most common form of this article title in English? This policy Wikipedia:Naming conventions is clear that the most common English form be used for the title of an article.
  • What is the most easily recognisable title to English speakers? Is it Selanne or Selänne? Again, according to that same policy, the most recognisable form to English speakers must be used for the title.
  • Which is easier to link to the article, Marián Gáborík or Marian Gaborik? Consider that most people don't have diacritics on their keboards, so linking using diacritics won't be "...easy and second nature."
  • A quote from that very naming policy: "Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly used in English than the English form." So, again, ask yourself, which is the more common spelling in English, Marián Gáborík or Marian Gaborik? To me, at least, that policy suggests that the English spelling be the title with the native spelling occuring in the first line of the first paragraph.

Before you vote, remove any personal point of view you may have on the matter. Vote keeping wikipedia policies and guidelines in mind. If you have a problem with certain policies and guidelines, there are talk pages to visit and voice your opinion. Masterhatch 00:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Discussion

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excellent point Aottley. Masterhatch 22:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

comment Uppland, it is really nice that you pointed to other unrelated wikipedia articles and external links that use diacritics, but it would be great if you pointed out where English uses Marian Gaborik's name with diacritics? Because isn't that what this is all about? Masterhatch 23:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have we considered using redirects? DMighton 13:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment How is it "less informative"? What's wrong with putting the diacriticized (?) version of the name in brackets beside the first instance of the name in the title? (e.g. "Marian Gaborik (sk: Marián Gáborík) is a...")

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

forgotten

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The main article page was moved, but the talk page wasn't. Anyway to get that fixed? Masterhatch 15:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed it. -- JamesTeterenko 16:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Page Moved?

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Personally, I don't mind that this page has been moved to diacritcals. However it's movement goes against the Consensus reached (at this page) to keep it without diacriticals. Furthermore at bio=yes/Player pages format|WPP, Player pages decided for themselves, concerning usage or non-usage of diacriticals. This page earlier, had decided to go as 'Marian Gaborik'. So, why has it been moved to the contrary? GoodDay 19:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I didn't notice it before. However it was a long time ago, maybe new vote should occur. - Darwinek 19:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps bringing this up at bio=yes/Player pages format|WPP would be better. A new consensus there, would cover all NHL player pages. I'll leave that choice to you. PS- I won't move the page back. GoodDay 19:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

::: Consensus vote at this page, concerning the title, is to 'remove' diacriticals. I've therefore, moved this page to conform with consensus. GoodDay 22:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page should be moved to 'diacritics'. The bio=yes|WPH and bio=yes/Player pages format|WPP call for this page movement (thus making the 'consensus vote' void). GoodDay 20:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

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Can someone get a good picture to go with the article? That's about all it needs.

Requested Move #2

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I noticed that the article was moved back to Marián Gáborík by Darwinek despite the previous vote to not use diacritics. I changed it back to Marian Gaborik, but after discussions with Darwinek, I learned that most other Slovak and Czech players have the diacritics in the title. For example see List of Slovaks in the NHL. If you click on the names of people who's name usually has diacritics you will see that their page has them. So, about a year after voting ruled to not to use diacritics, I think we do need them to keep the article the same way as others. I request to move Marian Gaborik to Marián Gáborík. Leave your vote and reason on the requested move below. Please conduct the vote in a similar fashion to the one above. WildFan48 20:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Discussion

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Please disregard the above as it has been determined that hockey players should have diacritics by bio=yes. See here. WildFan48 19:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gorgeous

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  • The opening line "Marián Gáborík ...is a gorgeous Slovak professional ice hockey player." seems ridiculous to me... I'm taking out the word gorgeous...
That is clear vandalism. Always delete that WildFan48 02:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hazmat-Man Vandalism

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This guy clearly is just making up information and saying that Gaborik has been traded to the Canucks. He even put a picture in the entry which is obviously a Photoshop job of Gaborik (supposedly from the 08-09 preseason). One problem with that, the 08-09 preseason doesn't start until at least after the 07-08 season is over! Absolutely ridiculous. --Reezy (talk) 17:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Check out the history of this discussion page, he tried deleting my mention of his vandalism on this page. He also tried putting in the false information once more.--Reezy (talk) 21:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-Protection

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Passerby IPs, are making a joke of this article. GoodDay (talk) 19:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Page has been semi-protected for two weeks due to excessive vandalism. Non-autoconfirmed users may make requests for changes to the article here on the talk page during that time. Thank you, Vicenarian (T · C) 20:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

points for 2000-2001

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NHL.com has 18+18=36, but this article 21+21=42. Which is right? 85.217.14.140 (talk) 18:43, 6 June 2012 (UTC) 2001-2002 and 2002-2003 points are also different. 85.217.14.140 (talk) 19:46, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NHL.com is right. Article has been fixed to reflect proper stats. --Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 19:49, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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