Talk:Matija Sarkic

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Requested move 13 November 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Matija Sarkic → Matija Šarkić – Although he was born in England, Montenegro's football association (which he now represents internationally as of November 2019) spells his name with the diacritics. There are countless examples of this among Montenegrin newspapers and sports portals, including this article and another one from Montenegro's state broadcaster. Furthermore, there are several precedents of English-born, or individuals born outside of countries using such diacritics in their alphabets. Just some examples of English-born individuals whose names on Wikipedia are spelled with such accents include, but are not limited to: Carla Mendonça, Jason Tahincioğlu, Ayşe Tezel, and Adé Bantu. Similarly, such examples are seen in articles like those of İlkay Gündoğan and Sergej Milinković-Savić, both of whom were born in countries whose alphabets do not have the diacritics in either of their names! Nowhere77 (talk) 23:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)—Relisting. Primefac (talk) 13:45, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Query, leaning towards Oppose: You are right that his home FA and UEFA will use the Montenegrin accents, this is standard practice. The English and Scottish media which the page is sourced from however will not (he was also born and raised in England and Belgium so may not use the diacritics, the EFL/Premier League do not use these for his registration either and neither do his club Aston Villa or his loan club Livingston (which makes me think he doesn't use that spelling), he doesn't use that on his shirt either. I can see that all members of the current Montenegro squad use these accented spellings but you have to take context into account. My vote would be to simply keep the existing redirect and then expand the opening sentence to include the Montenegrin spelling. Mountain^cirque 09:31, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Giant Snowman 15:35, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Specially because for him to play for Montenegro means he must have Montenegrin citizenship necessarilly, subsequently meaning the Montenegrin spelling being the official one in his case. Montenegro allows double-naionality only in exceptional cases mostly related with Serbia and circunstances totally unrelated to Sarkic one in any way. Despite having been born in UK, Sarkic has represented Montenegro since 2013, and knowing the Montenegrin "one only" passport policy, it means he has been Montenegrin citizen since at least 2013, thus his "official" name spelling has been the one following Montenegrin rules. Despite being aware that our naming policy for article titles has not been the official name in native language, and that we have other policies such as COMMONNAME which seem to be probably giving different result here, I gave this infrmation about Montenegrin citizenship rules just in case of possibly being helpfull. FkpCascais (talk) 18:33, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, unless evidence can be provided that Mr Sarkic has legally changed his name to include the diacritics. Otherwise, we shouldn't add them when they're not *actually* present, regardless of what is common among Montenegrin language sources. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:49, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, his name in the English speaking world remains without the diacritics. Should we include his brother Oliver Sarkic in the nom as well? His last name would change as well, and he also represents Montenegro internationally.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:17, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support, he is a Montenegrin citizen and represents Montenegro, so should be with diacritics. Same applies to his brother. Żyrafał (talk) 22:46, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support, because a Montenegrin citizenship for him is now "principal" and we should to follow a Montenegrin rules in a spelling--Noel baran (talk) 03:38, 20 November 2019 (UTC).[reply]

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Orphaned references in Matija Sarkic

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Matija Sarkic's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "sb2223":

From Zach Jeacock: "Games played by Matija Sarkic in 2022/2023". Soccerbase. Centurycomm. Retrieved 28 July 2022.
From Connal Trueman: "Games played by Matija Sarkic in 2022/2023". Soccerbase. Centurycomm. Retrieved 4 August 2022.
From Neil Etheridge: "Games played by Matija Sarkic in 2022/2023". Soccerbase. Centurycomm. Retrieved 9 August 2022.
From Ché Adams: "Games played by Matija Sarkic in 2022/2023". Soccerbase. Centurycomm. Retrieved 6 August 2022.
From Harlee Dean: "Games played by Matija Sarkic in 2022/2023". Soccerbase. Centurycomm. Retrieved 28 July 2022.
From Joe Hart: "Games played by Matija Sarkic in 2022/2023". Soccerbase. Centurycomm. Retrieved 31 July 2022.
From David Davis (footballer): "Games played by Matija Sarkic in 2022/2023". Soccerbase. Centurycomm. Retrieved 21 August 2022.
From Lukas Jutkiewicz: "Games played by Matija Sarkic in 2022/2023". Soccerbase. Centurycomm. Retrieved 21 August 2022.
From Leander Dendoncker: "Games played by Matija Sarkic in 2022/2023". Soccerbase. Centurycomm. Retrieved 10 August 2022.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 20:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Age discrepancy in article.

According to the lede, Sarkic was born in 1997. However, the death section, it says he was 26 when he died. Either the DoB on the article is incorrect, as he would be 24 this year, or the material used in the reference indicating his death at the age of 26, had made an error. Can we get this checked please, so the correct information is shown? Thanks. Dane|Geld 22:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarkic was born in July 1997. It is June 2024. His 27th birthday would have been next month. He was 26. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, you're right! I'm a dumbass. I shouldn't try to do maths while I'm tired. Sorry for the error, and thanks. Dane|Geld 23:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]