Talk:National Palace Museum

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"National"[edit]

Does the museum in Beijing have 國立 in its title? The Forbidden City article leaves it out. If so, then that musuem doesn't have a "National" and "National Palace Museum" can only refer to the one in Taipei. Right? --Jiang

So it'd seem. In the official Beijing website [1], there's no mention of "National" in either Chinese or English. I'll fix this article and the redirect. --Menchi 22:37, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
"National" was removed from the name of the museum in Beijing in the early 1950s. --Sumple (Talk) 02:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Ugly museum architecture[edit]

Wow, the buildings of the National Palace Museum looks really tacky. It reminded me of one of those stereotypical "Chinatown" architectures that exists in the United States. It basically resembles nothing like the Forbidden City in Beijing. I know the British Museum is controversial and its merits are hotly debated because of all the items from the Parthenon and other places, but at least the museum itself doesn't look too embarrasing. Try to imagine putting items from the Palace of Versailles into a brown colored cheap-looking French villa. Couldn't the Taiwanese government built something that looks slightly better or just return these items back to Beijing? --Bergmanesque 21:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I failed to see how ugly architecture is linked with returning any items. Stop your political gibberish here. -- G.S.K.Lee 12:02, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the buildings of the National Palace Museum looks particularly amazing either. As for the above users comments about comparing the National Palace Museum to British Museum, I think there is some truth to it, although both institutions are very different. The Greek government and Egyptian government have constantly demanded the British Museum to return its items, but since the Taiwanese government and Chinese government's relation is a lot different than the kind of relationship between Britain and Greece, its also a more complicated issue. I do think the National Palace Museum's architecture doesn't justify the kind of collections that is stored inside though. I also think the British Museum is vastly superior (albeit different) to the National Palace Museum in both architectures and collections. --67.2.149.216 23:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Though I do agree that the Taipei one doesn't look good, I cannot really understand what the first person means. Do you mean that the Taipei one and the Beijing have to be alike?Well, there's already "two" buildings which are look just the same as the Forbidden City in Taipei, they are the Nat'l Concert Hall and Theater Hall in CKS Memorial Hall. Won't it be weird to exist the "third" the Forbidden City there?? Besides, they have a much better interior now. I think what inside is far more important than what outside. After all, what bring us their is the artifacts not architecture.Tsungyenlee 17:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Obviously, it doesnt look as good as the Forbidden city, but it doesnt have to look at all like the forbidden city, why does it have to? its a museum, not a replica. like the person above me has said, whats important isnt the looks, but wats inside. seriosly stop the political gibberish! 24.87.11.27 (talk) 06:45, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Image gallery[edit]

There were quite a few pictures of the outside of the museum, which seemed quite redundant. So I moved them to a gallery at the bottom of the page. In addition, I uploaded a personal picture of the meat-shaped stone. Asiir 17:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Is it just my computer? I can't see the pictures in the gallery.--Jerrypp772000 01:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


History[edit]

I added some interesting facts from the Chinese version of the article. I hope I didn't make too many grammar mistakes.

Dominik Seifert (talk) 10:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

local and minority cultures[edit]

I yanked this sentence:

In recent years, the museum has focused more on local and minority cultures and has included some materials on loan from the People's Republic of China.

for two reasons. First I wasn't sure what it meant so I went to look for the reference material, but it doesn't have a reliable source cited for back up. Does anyone have a source or can anyone at least explain what it means? What precisely is meant by "local and minotiry"? If we can find out what that means we can clarify the sentence.Readin (talk) 03:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

"Local and minority" refers to the Taiwanese who are not Waishengren (Han Chinese who immigrated to Taiwan after 1945) and the Taiwanese aborigines. As the Taiwan article states, the cultures of these groups were suppressed under Qing rule, Japanese rule and Kuomingtang martial law. Since the National Palace Museum has traditionally focussed on classical Chinese culture, and the National Palace Museum is the most well-known and highly-regarded museum in Taiwan, a shift to local and minority cultural artifacts would indicate wider acceptance and acknowledgement of those cultures. Adevish (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Is "local and minority" a literal translation from the source? Can we simply say "Taiwanese" instead? Readin (talk) 15:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I think it is probably better to say "Taiwanese and aboriginal", as they are distinct cultures and the National Palace Museum distinguishes between them. (The NPM site alternately uses "Aboriginal", "Taiwan's aboriginals" and "Formosan aboriginals" for aboriginal cultures.) Adevish (talk) 22:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

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Correct spelling?[edit]

The National Palace Museum site identifies a director of the museum as:

Can anyone say for sure which spelling is correct? If not, would someone be willing to write to the museum to track down the correct spelling?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:04, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

There may not be a "correct" spelling if the name is a transliteration from Chinese.--ukexpat (talk) 19:54, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
What's the original in Chinese? All major transliteration systems distinguish between "Han" and "Hang", but this happens to be one set of sounds that native speakers get confused (like the ubiquitous misspellings "pinying" or "Kuomingtang").--Jiang (talk) 21:11, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
The original is "杭立武". Spelled "Hang Li-wu" in both pinyin and Wade–Giles. MediocreVisitor (talk) 07:15, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:36, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Ancient v Imperial[edit]

The terms ancient and imperial are used rather loosely within this article. Chinese history is generally divided into an ancient period (prior to the Qin dynasty) and an imperial period (from Qin through to the abdication of Puyi). As such phrases in the article like, "696,000 pieces of ancient Chinese imperial artefacts" and, "pieces collected by China's ancient emperors" lack precision. I would imagine that some of the exhibits are of ancient Chinese dates but most is surely of imperial dates. Rincewind42 (talk) 05:11, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

"Ancient" in the context of Chinese history has different meanings depending on the precise context. When talking loosely about "ancient" vs "modern", "ancient" means from time immemorial down to the decline of the Qing dynasty (i.e. around the 19th century), and "modern" means from then onwards. In official historiography in mainland China, "ancient" means from the Shang dynasty down to the Opium War, "modern" means from the Opium War to 1949, and "contemporary" means from 1949 onwards. Some Western historians borrow European historical terms such as "antiquity", "classical" and "medieval" as well. There is not necessarily a dichotomy between "ancient" and "imperial". --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 14:15, 8 February 2016 (UTC)