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Is all of that new material copyright-free? It sounds rather stilted, like it's from an old source. -- Zoe

Much of the stuff is from the Library of Congress. I suspect that Robbot has had a cold, metallic hand in this as well.

Reid 05:28, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

oops, I forgot to explain my edit. I edited the State Song link to go to the Song article, instead of redirecting to the State article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamme2008 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC) Is Cherokee noted as an official language of the Qualla Boundery? I'm wondering if it would be simply for conservation reasons.

Tarhill state

Why is North Carolina called the tarhill state?--24.172.194.4 20:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Its Tarheel and there is an article on it here. PGPirate 21:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Tourism Section

Should there be a section on tourist attractions in Nc? Such as the USS NC, Carowinds the Great Smoky Mtns. National Park and Biltmore Estate?

Certainly. - Slow Graffiti 18:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
YES, absolutely; due to the wild popularity of the Appalachian Mountains, the Blue Ridge Parkway/Blue Ridge Mountains, Great Smoky Mountains National Park, Biltmore Estate, and Mount Mitchell among other locales, Western NC has become one of the most visited/touristy areas in the whole Union -- in fact, I think the Blue Ridge Parkway is still #1 visit-wise in the entire USA, and has been for a some time! --152.163.100.132 09:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Missing Info

I read a few weeks ago that under the econy page it stated that North Carolina was the 3rd best state for businesses and I think Virginia was first. Im sure that that is true due to to its large banking status in the United States. Can some please add this pretty important fact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dragan101 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Maps, more info...?

How about some more info for people looking to actually do some research concerning NC? I.e. a county map/list of counties?

A list of 100 counties within the article would excessive, wouldn't it? - Slow Graffiti 18:52, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello

I agree. Need more info about the state. -ALB-


i'm a bit afraid to edit anything since i never have before, but someone should definitely put Half-Hell Swamp & Red Bug (both in Brunswick County) under the "interesting names" section!! -CSB

  • Those appear to be legitimate names, so I added them. There must be many more, y'all. Wahkeenah 11:43, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


North Carolina named after Charles I or Charles II ?

The intro claims a link to Charles II, and most of us just assume this since he was the one who commissioned the Lords Proprietors. However, as the the article on the Province of Carolina makes clear, an [earlier charter] WAS made under Charles I to a Robert Heath in 1629, in which charter the province is clearly named Carolina - this all happened one year before Charles II was even born. Thus, it seems when Charles II granted the Lords Proprietors the land called Carolina, he was more following his father's precedent than naming it after himself. However, one could suppose that if he had had a different name than his father, he may have renamed it - so perhaps technically it was initially named after Charles I, but this name stuck since Charles II bore the same name. Nimocks 00:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

  • The article on Charles I asserts it was named after I, not II. Charles, of course, had some ups and downs and eventually failed to keep a good head on his shoulders. Wahkeenah 05:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


Comment. I would like to suggest two alterations to the text. First, English settlement of North Carolina began c. 1660. The first governor of the settlements in extreme NE NC was appointed at this time. Second, the North Carolina Manual has been printed every other year since at least 1907. The most important issue of the Manual was the 1913 edition, which included a list of all previous state officers and members of the legislature. Chronicler3 18:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC) Chronicler 3

If you've got a semi-precise date (c. 1660) and a source for it, that would be a great addition - as you can see, the article says by the late 17 century permanent settlements had taken hold, but I suppose that is pretty vague. Also, a source for the governor too...Nimocks 19:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Response. The book North Carolina Government (Raleigh NC: Office of the Secretary of State, 1979) states that the Heath grant of 1629 called the area "Carolina" (p. 3). The first deed known to exist is dated 1661 (p. 4), and the first governor assumed his duties in 1662 (p. 8). Chronicler3 02:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Also, are you related to the Quincy H. Nimocks who was a Democratic politician in NC a century ago? Chronicler3 02:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Response. I guess it's just a mattter of which details to include. I have a link to the Heath patent under primary sources, but since there was no accompanying land settlement at this time, I didn't think it was important enough to include in the body of the article - but definitely something to clarify on a future separate history page. As for the first deed, once again, it doesn't really contradict the 1655 date, it's just that the 1655 refers to the first documentation of a settler, on a map known as the Comberford Map, located in some college up north many years ago. Perhaps the actual dates of physical settlement are more important than dates of related legal matters (hence the lack of the early patent being mentioned, and the first documented settler being mentioned rather than the first deed to a settler)? That's one view - someone add them in for now if they feel otherwise. The date of the first governor too... Quincy Nimocks is (I think I'm getting this right) the brother of my great-great grandfather. Nimocks is a rare Scottish name, and all of them in the USA are descended from one guy who was born in 1744 in Massachusetts. I don't really know anything at all about Quincy, other than that he was a judge(?).Nimocks 07:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

BlueNC

Does a political blog really belong here? If so, shouldn't a blog from an opposing POV also be representated? 12.150.117.30 13:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Basketball (in sports subsection)

I've added a blurb about the state's obsession with basketball, you can delete it if you don't think it's relevent. Or would it be worthy of it's own article? BobbyAFC 07:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Maybe a piece about the NC-Duke rivalry (if there isn't one already) would be a good starting point. I would have just a single sentence about it in the NC article, and then direct the reader to a specific article. Then you could get into the storied rivalries. Duke and NC are the most obvious, because they are just a few miles away from each other on 15-501, and then there's the private vs. public school aspect of it. But don't forget NC State and Jimmy V and all that sort of thing. Wahkeenah 07:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

The state template at the bottom of the page

Hello! I'm rather new to Wikipedia so I don't really know what they are called, but many pages that are part of certain projects have templates at the bottom of the page (such as states, in this case), that organize certain information. Well, in the "Regions" section of the North Carolina template, there is a link to the "Smoky Mountains." Besides that it should probably read, "Great Smoky Mountains," it also links to the national park, rather than an actual region of the state of North Carolina. The Blue Ridge Mountains region also links to a mountain range. I am not sure if there exists a page for either region (one would probably suffice in the case of a geographical region of the state, considering they are in many ways the same), but I believe that the Smoky Mountains region should be edited to say "Great Smoky Mountains," and redirected to the Great Smoky Mountains mountain range, at least until someone finds or writes an article about the actual geographical region. Blinutne 09:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

I looked and laughed. You're saying that a question of geographical definition and historical discussion is NPOV? There is no reason to consider North Carolina anything but Southern. The List of regions of the United States shows that North Carolina (as well as Tennessee) are both legally defined as part of the South by the United States Census Bureau. I'll grant that that area is then split into 3 subregions of which North Carolina falls under the South Atlantic States division. However, to appease whatever sensibilities were offended by labeling this state as purely a southern state, I have fixed the opening and the geographical sections to reflect the state's status as a South Atlantic State. Beyond that, changing anything is improper because there is no over-arching definition of regions beyond common usage in which North Carolina is understood to be a Southern State. I'll give you a day to respond and then remove the NPOV tag. Bornyesterday 17:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Also, I'd like to note that the article on the Southern United States is pretty clearly a NPOV look at what defines the south as a region. Because of the wide range in such reasons, I think that the appellation of Southern is perfectly acceptable for any state therein. Bornyesterday 17:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
  • As long as "Southern" stops producing strong racial overtones then it is unacceptable. This comes from one born and raised in the Southeastern United States. --Bookofsecrets 19:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I have updated the lead paragraph to read "Southeastern" and I removed the NPOV tag. --Bookofsecrets 19:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
That's unwarranted paranoia. See Southern United States. "Southern" is a geographical, cultural, and historical distinction. South is a cardinal direction. Should we ban use of the word because some may still associate it with racism from a conflict over a century ago? It's not the same as referring to it in the present tense as a Confederate state. "This comes from one born and raised in North Carolina and Tennessee." - Slow Graffiti 19:01, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Even if the term "southern" carries a certain amount of baggage, so what? The reputation doesn't come out of nowhere; NC long had the largest number of KKK members of any state & for all I know still does. History isn't always pretty, but that doesn't mean it needs to be "tidied-up." Just present the evidence, both good and bad, and let people make-up their own minds.--Apotheosis247 14:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

WARNING: odd editor on the loose denies NC was Southern

He claims "Southern" is NPOV and tries to remove it from all the southern states. Bookofsecrets relies on a road map for his evidence. Watch out for damage here. Rjensen 22:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Random Facts and History

Just had someone add the fact that the Wright Brothers flew the first heavier than air aircraft in the state in the Geography section. I removed it, but upon further review, I noticed that there isn't any mention of this any where in the article. Should we include a random facts section? Or should that be rolled into something else.

Also, don't you think that we might want to expand on the history of the state since the Civil War? Bornyesterday 21:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


I agree, the Civil War expansion proposal sounds good. I believe this article is coming along quite well.-- Shizane talkcontribs 20:25, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Wildlife and Ecology

Here's one photo I uploaded / GFDL'ed - I'm hoping we can get a grassroots initiative for the entire state

I am trying to find a central location for Wildlife of North Carolina (as of now, no such article exists). I will keep searching for related articles. I would like something that discusses the biomes (Coastal, Piedmont, Mountains), and the ecological implications of each. A gallery of wildlife would also be nice. Should this be a sub-section here at the State article, or a separate article? Nimur 15:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I'd say separate articles would be great. This is where an electronic encyclepedia can truly excel - good information that's unique to a relatively small part of the planet but available to all. count me in. -Jcbarr 16:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Done! Wildlife of North Carolina is still pretty stub-ish, but I'm sorting through all my existing digi-pics for whatever I can find before I head out for a nature hike! Nimur 17:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Textiles

"The state's industrial output—mainly textiles, chemicals, electrical equipment, paper and paper products—ranked eighth in the nation in the early 1990s."

Textiles is one of the state's hardest hit industries in the last 15 years due to offshoring and foreign competition. Isn't the "eighth in the nation in the early 1990s" info a bit dated? The industry may still be strong comparatively, but a lot has happened since then. This article is as good as any as a reference: http://www.soc.duke.edu/NC_GlobalEconomy/textiles/overview.php

American Civil War

I am new to Wikipedia so pardon me if I miss something. I am disputing the number of troops that is recorded in the Civil War section. The contributing editor wrote: "provided 281,205 troops to the Confederacy." This number is greater than twice the number recorded by the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, North Carolina Office of Archives and History, North Carolina Museum of History, Fox's Regimental Losses, Walter Clark's History of North Carolina Regiments, etc. The number is officially 125,000. Also see http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hp/nc_rostr/default.htm and http://www.civilwarhome.com/confederatelosses.htm

Thomas legion 20:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)Thomas_legion

I'm not an expert, but it's possible that registry is not a complete/total listing of every volunteer. However, in deference to your background research, I'd vote to keep the number at 125,000 in the article and make mention of possible other estimates. I've already added "...at least 125,000 troops." Nimur 00:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


Good language and format! The former number of 281,205 serving in North Carolina's military was also applied without reference. Thomas legion 03:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)Thomas_legion


Last state to secceed? Wasn't that Tennesse, 18 days later? .--Kennin< —Preceding comment was added at 16:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Detailed map of NC cities

If you need a detailed map of North Carolina cities (major micropolitans and metropolitans), here is the link fron National Geographic. [1]. —User:Arual 20:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

This Article Needs/Deserves "Misc." Section

Could someone with some time please copy the Virginia page and add a "Miscellaneous topics" section to this page with the correct NC info?

Here is the info from the VA page -- it can be used as a template, if needed:

NorthCarolina.info

Would like to see a list of functional websites built on our great state name as in NorthCarolina.info Greensboro55 03:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


Miscellaneous topics

When Douglas Wilder was elected governor of Virginia on January 13, 1990, he became the first African-American to serve as governor of a U.S. state since Reconstruction.

USS Virginia was named in honor of this state.

State symbols

I added what I remembered from 4th grade to the article. I don't know the state dog, insect, song, dance, fish, fossil or beverage. I'm sure they're easy to find on the Internet. JordeeBec 02:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I have updated the above list to reflect the appropriate North Carolina equivalents Arx Fortis 03:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I'd missed the state boat in my additions to the actual article. I went back through and found everything Wikipedia had listed and added that to the article as well.
The List of U.S. state dances cites clogging as the state dance; can we find a source to back up either clogging or the Carolina shag? I'm not familiar with any state bats or fossils, either. JordeeBec 03:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Both Clogging and Shag are state dances. I added and posted a citation [2] next to the entry Arx Fortis 03:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

And after all that work that we've done, I find this article: North Carolina state symbols. Should we just link there and remove this list? JordeeBec 04:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow...maybe we should? WP:STATE doesn't really include all of these symbols or even a section for them as part of the template. It does include a few in specific places. Interestingly, the page you found has a reference that lists even more symbols such as the State Carnivorous Plant. Arx Fortis 05:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Done. Sadness. JordeeBec 18:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
The state symbols are all listed under NCGS Chapter 145. The template frankly sucks; as the terminology is not accurate and it is limiting. It is also not commonly used (see VA, FL, MA, etc) and I think it should be removed. The official slogan is pulled out of someone's ass as far as I can tell and I removed it from the template; I don't know where people get this stuff. It's also listed on the comprehensive list for all states, but I haven't removed it from there yet. If anybody objects leave me a msg. I changed all of the scientific names to common ones; I don't know wtf Terrapene carolina carolina is, but I've got a good idea what a box turtle looks like. There again, leave a msg if you're hung up over it.--Apotheosis247 14:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
The longleaf pine is largely considered to be the official state tree; it's what I've always heard, and it's stated as fact on several state websites. However, the actual statute simply says pine, w/o specifying a particular type. I'm really not sure which way to go with this; if anybody wants to chime in w/ their two cents please do so.--Apotheosis247 00:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Wow, I didn't realize that. I've always heard longleaf pine too, but if the General Statues just says "pine", anything else would be incorrect. I went and checked it myself here. No latin names given. You know, now that I think about it, many many years ago somebody told me the same thing that it was just "pine". I know there is more than one type pine in NC, so longleaf can't win. The legislature decides... and the words that were voted on say "pine", so I would go with just that. I wonder how the longleaf pine became so accepted despite the approved bill? --TinMan 06:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject North Carolina GA Drive

I've added this article as the main Good Article for the WikiProject North Carolina drive. I'm also going to try and list it for WikiProject United States. I created a todo list on some aspects of the article that I think should be worked on in this effort. Here are some examples of other State articles that have achived GA - Illinois, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.. See also WikiProject U.S. states for suggestions. Morphh 12:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I've added this for U.S. Collaboration of the Week Please Vote!!!! We need to get more votes! Morphh 12:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Judicial Branch?

I didn't find anything about the judicial branch, maybe there should be something on it added to the article? And also, I noticed that the coastal miles and shorline miles aren't with the area facts of NC. my family lives there posted by alice

Vandalism

For some reason, this article seems to have a high rate of vandalism. It seems that every few edits is that of vandalism. What are the thoughts on requesting semi-protection on this page so Anon users can not edit? Morphh 23:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Climate is missing

Hi Folks, the climate of NC is missing in the article. TX --62.134.234.241 17:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it should be here, but climate information is under the Geography of North Carolina article. --TinMan 17:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Did North Carolina celebrate Christmas in 1736-1786?

I am an eigth grade student doing a colonial project and I choose North Carolina please help me if you have any information. I need it by Thursday 10/19/06.

Christmas was celebrated to varying degrees in colonial America, depending on religious background. See here As to its official status in NC, if any, I don't know. --Apotheosis247 08:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Native American Population

The main page says "Native Americans Estimated population figures for Native American in North Carolina as of 2004 is 110,198, or 1.3% of the total North Carolina population."

Yet the chart gives a figure of ASIN 1.65%, not 1.3%--what is the reason for this discrepancy, between the reported 1.65% and the 1.3% quoted above it? And how was the number derived if not a percentage of current population estimates? Is it US Census data? The reason for the discrepancy should be noted.

"Only five states (California, Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Texas) have a larger Native American population than North Carolina."

Having lived in both states it immediately surprised me to learn that North Carolina has a larger Native American population than Washington, but checking Wikipedia it seems not to be so according to other Wikipedia information. Washington state, according to its demographics of Native Americans as a percentage of total population has a larger Native American population that North Carolina (2.65% of 6,287,759 = 166,626), in addition to the five listed.

KP Botany 16:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Possible vandalism edits

There were some edits by an IP just now which also made some very vandalistic edits. I'm not sure if these edits were ok. Can someone look them over please? Thanks. JoshuaZ 03:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Libertarian Party

I removed a couple sentences about the Libertarian Party, not because I have anything against the Party, but because no proper citation was given, and a spam sort of link was added in the middle of the paragraph. Please add a factual statement about the party with a properly formatted citation, and I will be happy to have it stay in the article. Appraiser 15:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to cite some of this. It's mostly just things that I know as a student of North Carolina history. The link is not "spam" but was the first thing I could find that talked about the Libertarian lawsuit (I am not a Libertarian and have no reason to spam for them). Awbeal 16:13, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I took a crack at it, as part of a paragraph on third parties. See what you think. Thanks Appraiser 16:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
That looks fine. Can't my other changes be put back? Mostly they just supported or corrected content that was already there. Awbeal 17:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry; I didn't realize there were other changes. Re-read it and see if I caught them all. thanks. Appraiser 17:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

GA on hold

|well written = This needs a copy edit. Overall, it's fine, better than most of the GAs already out there, people did good work, but it needs a thorough copyedit by an outsider. The Politics section is somewhat poorly written, explain NC politics to a foreigner, not a state native. Spell out "Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point" the first time, instead of MCAS Cherry Point.
|accuracy = Appears to be accurate, but you've completely ignored the citation needed request I posted earlier. Is this correct? Tie it to a reference.
|thorough = In places, are local bike paths and various parks all of the recreation? What about fishing, shellfishing, sailing, going to the beach? More than just a mention and link to a list, should at least mention Duke, Wake Forest, UNC, and the large number of Historically Black Colleges.
|NPOV = Could be better with in-line referencing. "..up the largest concentration of Marines and sailors in the world..." Just American, or of any nationality? Probably any. reference, all sorts of comments need references attached to them. It's hard to tell without being referenced to something specific.
|stable = Well, it was a collaboration, but it's stable enough.
|images = Make the caption on RBC center more pointed, and what does RBC stand for? Okay assortment of images, will add more comments later. I think just little tweaking here and there will be fine for GA status.
--KP Botany 18:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Please let me know when you are done with everything. I would like to see this get GA ASAP, then move on to trying for FA status. KP Botany 20:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to approve it when your ready. I'm going to try and find some more references when I have a chance. I've tried to address the points you brought up. Perhaps some of the other editors will work on it in the next few days as well. Morphh (talk) 16:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
YOu may want to work on creating better sub articles as well. -21:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravedave (talk • contribs)
Yes, some of the sub articles do need some work. Let's spend the next month or so getting it up to Featured Article, if folks are willing, then nominate it? It's already, even before my comments, a better GA than most, and frankly, a better FA than some. KP Botany 17:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Illegal immigrants

We should have something in here about the illegal immigrant population (over 80% Hispanic) and the growth. Also some of the measures being taken in North Carolina such as in Mecklenberg where the Sheriffs Office can deport. Morphh (talk) 20:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

New Population Density Map

The "Nc piedmont map.jpg" placed by Ral73 has Winston-Salem spelled wrong. Also, it doesn't cite the source of the image or the data. I have mentioned this to Ral73 on his talk page. If he does not corrected the spelling and cite the source(s) within a few days, it should be removed. Additionally, the map seems a bit superfluous given the more detailed map above it. Anyone could tell by the upper map that most of the population is in the middle of the state. Perhaps it should be removed regardless of the spelling/citation issues? ++ Arx Fortis 16:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Sports

The sports section failed to mention the tremendous popularity and success of college basketball in the state. Curious as to how and why that was possible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.71.67.35 (talk) 03:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

I second that. College basketball in North Carolina is bigger than life itself. I was genuinely shocked to see that it wasn't mentioned in the first sentence. Not mentioning it is like not mentioning football in the Texas article.CarolinianJeff 05:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Especially the 4-way Tobacco Road rivalry. --TinMan 05:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The section states that the 2007 Orange Bowl was the first major bowl berth for a North Carolina-based team since the 1961 Cotton Bowl. Does the Gator Bowl not count as a "major bowl"? North Carolina has played in the Gator Bowl 7 times since 1961, while N.C. State has played in the game twice since then. ringlerm 15:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.212.113.34 (talk)


I agree. The gator bowl was a "major bowl" before the advent of the BCS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmmaaajjj2 (talk • contribs) 22:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Mecklenburg Declaration

The so-called Mecklenburg Declaration is fully covered in its own article, which reports that historians have concluded it is spurious. The main NC history textbook by Powell does not even mention it, and the others reject its authenticity. No one ever heard of it before 1819 (44 years after it was declared), no original documents exist and the purported 1819 text includes languge that first appeared years after 1775. Wiki is not in the business of promoting false and misleading information that has been rejected by scholars, historians and archivists for a century. Rjensen 18:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Blue map of the state

Image I created from Image:WPNC.svg: . - Patricknoddy 15:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Lumbee

Added Lumbee to Native Americans. 71.68.17.30 13:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

They were recognized by the state in 1885, but do not have the full scale of Federal recognition. Late 20th c. research by genealogists suggests it was a tri-racial isolate group, and not a separate tribe. Heinegg has demonstrated that 80% of the "other free people" in 1790-1810 censuses can be traced back to African Americans who were free in colonial Virginia, and most of those were descendants of unions between white women (servant or free) and African men (servant, slave or free). Some Native Americans did intermarry with them, especially over time in North Carolina. --Parkwells (talk) 01:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Statehood question

Does anyone besides the lord know when north Carolina became a state —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.81.125 (talk)

If you mean when North Carolina joined the United States, it's 21 November 1789 (found here. However, if you are referring to when it declared independence, North Carolina adopted the Halifax Resolves in 12 April 1776, authorizing its delegates to the Second Continental Congress to join with those from the other colonies in declaring independence from British Rule (that date is the second one on the Flag of North Carolina).

Portuguese in NC

--Carlon 22:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)I need to know the source of the information regarding the following quotation from this article:

"The coastal region attracted a history of European immigration, like Swiss-Germans settled New Bern in the late 18th century, and over 10,000 locals of Portuguese descent, mainly fishermen from Portugal, worked along the coast for over three centuries.[citation needed]"

I've been working on my genealogy for 15 years looking for the explanation for why my paternal grandmother's side of the family all have olive skin and dark Southern European/Middle Eastern/Native??? features. This may be the answer that I've been looking for, but I need to know where this information came from. Can someone please help me track the source down?

Sincerely,

--Carlon 22:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about the details above, but your best place for genealogy research would be to go to local sources. www.rootsweb.com is organized by county, and has many databases available for free search. Probably some county histories have info about early Portugese residents. You're likely to find more in history books, too, about the coastal region, if the Portugese were there for 3 centuries. www.cyndislist.com is organized with links for research into every ethnic group and much history, so can probably be a good source. If you have the names established for your paternal grandmother's family, you may also want to look at the work of Paul Heinegg, (Google search online), who has done much research into early colonial families, and provides details of many families by name.--Parkwells (talk) 14:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

The "Interesting city names" section

Whats the point of this section? Its listed as non pertinent, so why include it?

List of film in North Carolina

Should we create a full list of films shot/based/etc in North Carolina? The "Film and the arts" section it is getting to listly with all of the films shot in NC.PGPirate 18:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Eastern North Carolina

Eastern North Carolina article is up. Needs work. Will work on it more when I have time. Feel free to help:) PGPirate 18:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry, flags and the table

I have removed the flags from the ancestry table per WP:FLAGS.

1. Nationality and ancestry are not related.
2. The African Union flag seems very out-of-place. Its presence implies that the majority of the diaspora from Africa emigrated after 2001 (when the AU was formed); This is not accurate.
3. Other flags represent nations that are now very different than the nations many Europeans emigrated from when the emigration took place (e.g. Germany). Thus, the flag is anachronistic.
4. Exactly what is "American" ancestry? Does that mean Indigenous peoples of the Americas? If so, the USA flag doesn't fit the classification. If it doesn't mean Indigenous peoples of the Americas, then what, exactly, does it mean?
5. What is the source of the information in the table? It isn't cited.

++Arx Fortis 01:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Why North and South?

The name of the state is begging for a paragraph in the article explaining why there's a North and South Carolina. Tempshill 23:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I have added some information and a Main Article link regarding the Province of Carolina to the History section. ++Arx Fortis 00:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Politics is not NPOV

"However, in 1898 the state's Democratic Party, in a blatantly racist campaign, regained control of the state government."

This line is obviously biased. The word blatantly should be removed, and if the campaign was indeed racist, a source should be cited to back up this claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.85.50.2 (talk) 19:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed "blatantly racist". Provided factual material clarify how voting in the state changed as classes of voters were disfranchised by reducing voter registration lists with provisions for poll taxes, residency, and literacy tests (subjectively administered). The politics in NC and other Southern states was complicated and should not be glossed over.--Parkwells (talk) 17:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

John Fulford

Moved paragraph on birth of first male John Fulford and location of his grave to more appropriate Carteret County, NC, "History" section.--Parkwells (talk) 13:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The Triangle

In the combined metropolitan areas section, the article erroneously names the three constituent cities of the Triangle as "Raleigh Durham Cary". In reality, Chapel Hill should be the third city instead of Cary, because the term "triangle" was coined with the research triangle park (NC State in Raleigh, Duke in Durham, UNC in Chapel Hill). Cary is merely a suburb of Raleigh that has grown in size only recently.

Mnpeter (talk) 18:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, as I can recall at least as far back as the 80's it was Chapel Hill. If you can find some reliable sources on the matter, you are encouraged to correct the article. ++Arx Fortis (talk) 19:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
The U.S. Census changed the CSA title to Raleigh-Durham-Cary because Cary's population is more than double that of Chapel Hill. Look at number 28. APK yada yada 20:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
The statement that says - "I-40 from Charlotte to Greensboro to Raleigh" is not correct. I-40 does not go from Charlotte to Raleigh. A more correct statement would be "I-85/I-40 from Charlotte to Greensboro to Raleigh." I-40 is concurrent with I-85 from just west of Durham to just east of Winston Salem. At Durham, I-85 turns north to Petersburg, Va. When I-85 and I-40 diverge, I-40 continues west through Winston-Salem eventually to Barstow, Ca. I-85 turns SSW, passing through Charlotte and continuing to Atlanta, Ga.

Shiloh Baptist Church?

Someone seems to have inserted an entire article, complete with history and facts about how old the windows are, about a church into this article. This is hardly the place for it. I think it would be best to have Shiloh Baptist Church make it's own article instead of adding unnecessary length and trivia to the North Carolina general article.OptimumPx (talk) 06:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

  • I agree in full. If it is notable enough for an article (likely is), let it stand on its own. It isn't adding to the understanding of "North Carolina", and instead distracting from the subject matter. Good call. PHARMBOY (TALK) 11:19, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Graphs about Economy, Agriculture, Exports, Imports, and Industries

We need graphs about these articles (as shown in title). The article about North Calorina needs more information in order for us to understand. I am not mad, just saying.

North Carolina

North Carolina was founded by Christipher Columbus. He founded it in 1640. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.235.19 (talk) 01:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Demographics

I deleted a lot of the demographic section as it said in the to-do. The full section is now in "Demographics of North Carolina. Stefano98 (talk) 22:04, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Good job. I think someone added back a citation and a small bit, but that is fine. All and all, it is much better now. PHARMBOY (moo) (plop) 22:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I mostly agree with the cuts, that section was way too long. However, I went ahead and added some of the religious data back for now. (I've seen editors on other state articles say that that data is useful when comparing the religious makeup of different states.) Again, though, I agree with most of the cuts you made. AlexiusHoratius 22:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Took another look at the ARIS data for NC religion. There was a small error, as "non-denominational" was classified as "Other" in Wikipedia, whereas ARIS states that this is counted under Christianity. Furthermore, a typo of 16% is written for unaffiliated/non-religious, whereas this should be 10%. Lastly, this is not "current," but merely most recent available, from ARIS 2001. I have updated the article, as well as Demographics of North Carolina.

Copying from the ARIS Table 15:

Baptist 38, Methodist 9, Presby 3, Prot 2, Episcop 1, Lutheran 2, Cong/UCC 1, SDA 1

Catholic 10

Mormon 1, NonDen 2, Christian 6, Pentec 2, AoG 1

Jewish 1

No relig 10

Other 3, Refused 7

Kakistocrat (talk) 23:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)Kakistocrat

history

james k. polk was born in north carolina —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.114.44.159 (talk) 22:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Question

Does anyone know why the text of the "State constitution", "Federal apportionment", "Politics", and "Sports and recreation" sections appear to be in italics? Rreagan007 (talk) 20:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

It appears to have been fixed. Thanks to whoever did it. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:North Carolina/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

GA Sweeps: Delisted

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I believe the article currently has multiple issues that need to be addressed, and as a result, I have delisted the article. There are multiple sections throughout the article lacking citations, as well as statements/sections that have been tagged since 2008. Add additional citations from a variety of sources to provide a balanced representation of the information present. Perhaps sources can be pulled from the main articles linked to within the article. Look to books, magazines, newspaper articles, other websites, etc. The lead should also be reduced to four paragraphs, see WP:LEAD guidelines. The gallery of cities should be removed per WP:IG. The long list of films in the "Film and the arts" section should be trimmed, perhaps mentioning the most notable ones. Although the article has been delisted, the article can be returned to GA status by addressing the above points and giving the article a good copyedit. Once sources are added and cleanup is done, I recommend renominating the article at WP:GAN. If you disagree with this assessment, a community consensus can be reached at WP:GAR. If you need clarification or assistance with any of these issues, please contact me on my talk page and I'll do my best to help you out. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 22:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Control State

Article list Graham and Yancey Counties as the only counties that do not allow the sale of alcohol. According to the ABC board's website, 37 of the 100 counties do not allow the sale of any form of alcohol. Like Yancey county, these counties may have municipalities with in there borders that do allow alcohol to be sold. Another topic that could be mentioned in article is the tradition of moonshining and bootlegging.75.191.154.67 (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

There already exists a separate wikipedia article on Moonshine, which obviously was produced in in several Southern states. MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:38, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Francene Street dies at age 113! Shouldn't she be a part of history?

In 2009 (March 15th issue of The Citizen Time) a story was done on Francene Street regarding her age which was 112 then. She, I am sadden to say passed away Tuesday morning at her nursing home at the Grace Health care facility in Asheville, NC. My family and I were wondering if my aunt should be registered on Wikimedia as a part of North Carolina history for being one of a very limited group of people that made it to age 113. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.250.225.39 (talk) 15:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

How about starting an article on the subject itself rather than adding to the state article? --CutOffTies (talk) 15:37, 29 August 2010 (UTC) Not sure how to do that--I'm hoping this post will reach someone that may be in a position to add her to wikipedia- North Carolina's Centenarian history.
I would suggest first having an article about the subject before adding to existing articles. If you want to try to create the article yourself, read Your first article. Otherwise, you can request an article. Please note, the subject must meet basic notability guidelines. --CutOffTies (talk) 18:03, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Too long

At more than 162, 000 bytes this article appears too long to download and navigate comfortably. I notice that most or some of the sections are already linked to main articles. In these cases it could be best to transfer more text from this article to their respective main articles.

Sections without a main article could have a new article with most of the text transfered to that article. In both cases of "existing" and "new" main articles there is ample opportunity to expand (add text). ---- Steve Quinn (talk) 00:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

When a section links to a main article, the remaining text should usually just be a summary of that main article as it relates the current article. It should look like a second lede section. Most of the sections seem a bit long but are in the right ballpark. The demographics and sports sections should be almost entirely gutted and merged into their main articles. That would cut a huge chunk out of the article. ButOnMethItIs (talk) 00:33, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Good ideas, and I agree. Also, I was looking at the history section. There is already a main article on the History of North Carolina. It might be best to merge all the content that is not a duplicate of the main article, into the main article. Perhaps leave behind a lede section as suggested. ---- Steve Quinn (talk) 01:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Official language

The official language should be English, not American English. It is too specific and it is not recognized as such by the government, just simply English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.79.126 (talk) 04:56, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead and changed it to just "English" - the statute doesn't say anything about "American English", which isn't a distinct language anyway. AlexiusHoratius 05:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Culture: Religion

I think we should add a section under "Culture" about Religion in North Carolina. You see this in a lot of articles about other states, especially in the South. North Carolina is home to two Roman Catholic diocese (as well as two basilicas), three Episcopal diocese, one Lutheran synod, and two United Methodist annual conferences. We also, as a part of the Bible belt, have a rich history of Baptist and Evangelical Christian culture, as well as African American Christian culture. Charlotte is the home of Billy Graham's Christian library. Not to mention the growing Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, and Hindu populations of bigger cities like Raleigh, Charlotte, and Greensboro. I deffinetly think a section on this would benefit the article. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 20:18, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

There used to be a "religion" sub section in the article in the "demographics" section, but it was moved to the article Demographics of North Carolina when all of the North Carolina related sub articles were broken out of this main article. Strangely, there are now actually 2 separate "religion" sections in the demographics article. You're probably right that some of it probably should be added back to the main article. The editors that moved a lot of the content from this article to the sub articles were a little over zealous. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:31, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Updated the population of biggest cities

I updated the population of cities with the data released by the census with the 2011 estimate data http://www.census.gov/popest/data/cities/totals/2011/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danny20111993 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Mars Hill College

There was a consensus request for this. I posted Mars Hill College in the notable college section for North Carolina. I cited the source correctly and have the necessary cites if more are needed. I contacted an Admin User_talk:Jayson32 to make sure I was doing so properly and he said it looked good.

MHC is the oldest college in western North Carolina established in 1856. It's also home to the Lunsford festival - Bascom_Lamar_Lunsford. It's a historic site as well. I would like it to remain in the section on the page along with the other notable locations. I could give further proof if it is needed. Ncashbo (talk) 17:01, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

The main reason I (and maybe the others) reverted the addition wasn't due to citation issues but rather that I've seen all too often lists of allegedly "well known" schools grow by one or two schools a month until the paragraph is a mass collection of blue links of use to basically nobody. (I say allegedly because Duke and Wake Forest are the only two schools on the list I've ever heard of.) I'm not from NC and maybe being the oldest school in western NC is indeed notable enough to mention in this article (if others agree that it is I don't have a problem keeping it in the article). My main issue is that I watch most state articles and these lists (ideally we wouldn't have any lists here) always get out of hand if the inclusion criteria is something like "well known". I see you're a new editor and starting a talk page discussion when you now others disagree is commendable. AlexiusHoratius 17:18, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Ncashbo, as you were told on your talk page, proper sourcing is necessary but not sufficient for inclusion in the article. Your edits were challenged by AlexiusHoratiu, and now by me. I agree with AlexiusHoratiu that the article is "not the place to list every college, even the largest in western NC, oldest in eastern NC, most expensive in northern NC" etc. Please do not restore the information until there is consensus here to do so; there is no consensus of one editor. Please read the policy. Cresix (talk) 17:22, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Film

Before there was a section about the list of films produce in NC. I don't know who removed it but that's an important part of NC culture. NC ranks 3rd behind CA and NY in movies being produce. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.211.156.2 (talk) 19:21, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

"Tar heel"

This article mentions the nickname in the Lead (not linked) and infobox (where it has a wikilink) but not once in the body copy. It would be worth including a short discussion of the name and a link to its article in the main text. --Dweller (talk) 21:09, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

History after the American Civil War?

Is there a reason that the article's history section stops 150 years ago? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.251.136.151 (talk) 19:31, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Politics and Government

At the end of this section are two sentences that are clearly biased and should be removed: -Unverifiable source cited/broken link: "Unemployment benefits were reduced with the state opting out of the federal unemployment compensation scheme.[67]" -Biased point of view, this links to an editorial page, and is also false information: "Funding for education and social services was reduced.[68]" 76.0.188.104 (talk) 03:04, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Further reading

Carrite - we seem to have a difference of opinion on "readability". I specifically formatted the Further reading section into two columns to improve readability, and you've reverted the change, citing the same reason. Two points to consider:

  • The two-column version takes up less room on the page vertically—about 1/3 less. That means the entire section can be viewed without scrolling.
  • The two-column version requires the reader's eye to travel a shorter distance to read a single line, which means there's less chance of the reader losing their place in the line or continuing on the wrong second line.

For the second point, I would especially note the long citations for Kersey and Thuesen. In a full browser, those lines are about 10.25 inches long; that makes it easier for a reader to lose their place horizontally on the page. The two-column format limits the lines to about 5 inches, which is much easier to track. It's not just a matter of style preference, it's accommodating the mechanics of reading. Could we please return to the two-column format?—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 03:13, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Use of double columns for Further Reading is typical of a very, very small minority of pages at WP; probably less than 5%. I'm not obsessed about the matter though, switch it back if it gives you joy. Thanks for the ping. Best regards, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 03:32, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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"First in Flight" vs. "First Flight"

The slogan printed on North Carolina license plates is "First in Flight", that can be seen in the photo in the article's Transportation section. Additionally, changing the link to "First Flight" redirects to a disambiguation page, while the First in flight link correctly redirects to a section of the article on the Wright Brothers. Please stop making this edit, it's just wrong.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 02:45, 14 June 2014 (UTC)


Typo Regarding the Washington District Cession

I think I spotted a typographical error in your article. Shouldn't the reference in the sixth paragraph of the History section to the Northwest Territory be to the Southwest Territory?

HankW512 (talk) 00:52, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

No Map?

Why is there no map showing cities and towns? This article is sort of like a row boat with no oars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.32.233.167 (talk) 21:46, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Many state articles do not have such a map. The issue is finding an up to date, free map or having one created. If you have suggestions, feel free to propose them. Scarlettail (talk) 22:22, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't have such a map because you didn't create one yourself, upload it to Wikimedia Commons, and add it to the article yourself. Wikipedia only exists because you add things to it. No one here is any more important to this process than you are. Anything that you don't like, and don't fix, well, you have no one to blame except yourself. Nothing gets fixed at Wikipedia unless people who care fix it. You have proven you care, because you left this message. Therefore, it is dependent on you to fix it. --Jayron32 23:47, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
You need to realize, Jayron32, that some of us are less comfortable doing so than others.
HankW512 (talk) 00:59, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Making good maps is an uncommon skill, one that is especially uncommon among Wikipedia editors--As we have learned in the last decade. The Wikimedia foundation raises donations from users for the improvement of Wikipedia, and it is in a position to fund the making of maps that would be of benefit to hundreds of millions of users. The solution is for them to hire a mapmaker. Rjensen (talk) 07:28, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

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Economy (GDP)

Dear NewYorkActuary, the GDP is a very important figure for every Economy. So I disagree with this edition. M.Karelin (talk) 11:50, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

@M.Karelin: Hello, M. Thank you for engaging in discussion. I don't dispute that the GDP for 2016 is useful information for a reader. But I didn't delete that information; I just moved it to the bottom of the section. Before your edit, the section began with a summary description of the state's economy, which strikes me as the better way to begin a discussion of a complex topic. NewYorkActuary (talk) 17:22, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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Asheville is in the Piedmont?

I noticed that in the climate section, where it mentions snowfall totals, someone has deleted Raleigh, which is clearly in the Piedmont, and added the annual snowfall total for Asheville, which is clearly in the state's mountain region. Just thought someone might want to restore Raleigh and remove Asheville.

Untitled

Wondering how to edit this State Entry?
The WikiProject U.S. states standards might help.

Banking Collapse?

IMO, the section on North Carolina's economy needs to be updated to reflect the recent takeover of Wachovia and the troubles of Bank of America. The section on North Carolina's "Finance, Technology, and Research" reads like a chamber-of-commerce advertisement for the city of Charlotte, and doesn't reflect the recent economic downturn in the city due to the buyout of Wachovia and Bank of America's severe problems. Just a thought.

Politics Infobox

Why are the links for the Political Party info box all links to the parties of Colorado? Is this a minor edit that I can quickly edit and save people some confusion?Lyrelyrebird (talk) 19:59, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Endemic. Correct use?

It says smallpox had become endemic in Europe. I think they mean “widespread” or “ubiquitous” or “pervasive” or maybe just “rife”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.143.226.72 (talk) 21:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

As I understand it, in refereence to a disease, endemic means prevalent. It's often used to describe diseases. Sundayclose (talk) 21:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Map of Confederate States

I was just clicking through the series of images, not the text, and the last image to appear was a map of the Confederate states. Was a link not quite properly deleted? I checked the text for such and couldn't find it. I don't think it belongs in the article, but I wondered why it appeared in the series of images. One thought I had was it was used to develop the map of climate zones for NC. But I'm not aware of how that might have been done. Thomas R. Fasulo (talk) 18:04, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

It comes through the template {{Confederate States political divisions}} at the bottom of the article. I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing, but I can see where it comes from. SchreiberBike | ⌨  18:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Presidential and Gubernatorial election tables

Hi there, I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here. I think the Government and politics section is due for an update and needs better sourcing, but specifically about the two tables of presidential and gubernatorial elections, we did have a request for comment last year about these, where the consensus was to move them to "Politics of [State]" articles. Since Politics of North Carolina already has a table of presidential elections, I removed it here. In general, I still think these tables aren't necessary on U.S. state pages, the year 1952 is an arbitrary start date, and we just have better places already, like United States presidential elections in North Carolina, which is much more complete table, with third parties, etc. Happy to discuss, but I hope that explains reasoning for the changes.-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 16:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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