Talk:On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog

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October 9, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog" is the most reproduced cartoon from The New Yorker magazine, and its title a phrase still used around the world?

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Text and/or other creative content from this version of On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog was copied or moved into Peter Steiner (cartoonist) with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Fair use

I am pretty certain that under fair use the cartoon can be reproduced here.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 00:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I Agree. Done. Privatemusings 05:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good article nomination

Thank you to SeizureDog who has nominated this article for Good Article status. I had considered doing it myself, but was not sure if it was long enough. I look forward to the feedback and will be happy to fix any problems that may be found. Cheers, ^Ariel♥Gold 09:02, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Length shouldn't be an issue, as it is not a criteria, only that it "addresses the major aspects of the topic". --SeizureDog 05:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Passed

This is a very good and well written article. As always more information will greatly improve an article. The article can benefit from a slightly longer lead also. If you feel that this review was in error feel free to take it to WP:GA/R. Tarret ^talk 21:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One thing Tarret missed in this review was that, per the Manual of Style, no quotation of less than four lines should be in blockquote format. That last quote needs to have the format changed. VanTucky ^Talk 21:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Fixed now. Thanks all! Ariel♥Gold 21:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A variant

I recall seeing in a computer magazine many years ago, a follow up cartoon, in two frames. In the first frame, a dog tells another the dog ...; in the second frame, he looks up at the screen and sees written on-line, Name: Heimie (or some name like that), Type: hound (don't remember the exact name of kind of dog), interests: chasing trucks, smelling butts...

It appeared to parody the notion of anonymity in the internet. It was around 1996 I think. Just thought it may be of interest to folks. AshLin 19:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find a reliable source that shows it, or discusses it, it could certainly be mentioned! I've never seen that cartoon, personally. Ariel♥Gold 19:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, is this useful? The variant. The web page where its found on the net. AshLin (talk) 16:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced content moved to talk

Since this is a Good Article, unrefereneced content should be referenced quickly. Since it wasn't, I have moved the following claims here.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OpenDoc and Cyberdog

It is believed that cartoon also inspired Apple to name their OpenDoc based web browser Cyberdog. The slogan had been used extensively in the OpenDoc and Cyberdog community.

But they know you buy dog food

The cartoon has also been spread with a second sentence: "But they know you buy dog food" showing the contrariness related to personal data in the internet. On the one hand, you can perfectly hide your gender, race or even species. On the other hand, all data that you provide can be stored and duplicated ad infinitum.

Tenacious inclusion

this inclusion is tenacious, and off-topic Such off-hand and off-topic discussions are really not approiate for this article.Scientus (talk) 02:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't think so. The editor who posted it gave a reference. I'm not reverting your edit but YOU need to show explicitly and logically why the cartoon is off-topic! Just your saying so does not make it off-topic! AshLin (talk) 03:08, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Everybody" knows you're a dog?

There's currently a sentence claiming that the opposite phrase ("On the Internet, everybody knows you're a dog") was coined as a result of the human flesh search engine phenomenon. Not sure whether this is true. Slate used the phrase in 2006 here, but there's an undergraduate thesis linked at this blog in support of the claim. Anyone want to look into it and see if they really came first? —tk tk tk 23:42, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:Chicken motivator.jpg

Michael Kinsley, “Like I Care: On the Internet, Everybody Knows You're a Dog.” Slate.com, 27 November 2006. and this book: "From “On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog” to “On the Internet, everybody knows you're a dog” (Kinsley, 2006)..."
that book: "On the Internet today, everybody knows you're a dog!” (Clive Thompson, NYT, 2008)."

earliest is

this 2005,
Who's there? ebook by Seth Godin, 2005. See also Small is the New Big: And 183 Other Riffs, Rants and Remarkable Business Ideas. by Seth Godin, 2007: "FOURTH LAW: ON THE INTERNET, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU'RE A DOG"

and in 2013 it was everywhere: [1] , [2] , [3]... --Atlasowa (talk) 14:27, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

May also be relevance

The sentence "There may also be relevance to the possibility of using the internet for pedophilia" looks like WP:OR to me. It appeared in this edit (9 May 2008). Prior to that edit, the reference "Taylor, Maxwell; Ethel Quayle (2003). Child Pornography: An Internet Crime. Psychology Press. pp. 97." was used to verify the text "A study by Morahan-Martin and Schumacher (2000) on compulsive or problematic Internet use discusses this phenomenon, suggesting the ability to self-represent from behind the computer screen may be part of the compulsion to go online." The edit replaced the ref for that text, and inserted the "may also be relevelance" sentence with the Taylor ref. There is precisely zero evidence that this cartoon was intended to allude to that possibility. I suppose the content of this article might include commentary from independent sources, so the sentence could conceivably be recast along the lines of "Commentator X regards the cartoon as an indication that the Internet may be used for pedophilia", if a significant commentator who said something like that can be found. The dubious nature of the sentence was raised in October 2009 above. Johnuniq (talk) 09:42, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The original text should be reinserted, I think. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:50, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. It's definitely OR and you should feel free to be bold and remove it. Andrew³²⁷ 10:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm lazy and was hoping someone would look at the ref and decide whether it is useful for this article. However, it seems a lot of fuss for a minor issue, so I restored the sentence to how it was, and removed the OR. My guess is that the ref (which I have not seen) cites the Morahan-Martin and Schumacher study, and someone added that cite here. Johnuniq (talk) 10:53, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well done. Thank you much. Drmies (talk) 14:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This Article Must Have Been Ruff To Write

I would just like to throw you a bone to reward you on your efforts in creating with this article. Danielbullis (talk) 05:10, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who is saying this quote? Should this article be re-assessed?

I'm sorta thinking that this article is not longer up to GA status. It's not very extensive, there's a "popular culture" section, and the writing isn't all that clear. For example, this is a passage in the "Context" section (which should probably be split, with half the content going into "History" and the other half going into something like, "Critical reception" or "Reception"):

The phrase can be taken "to mean that cyberspace will be liberatory because gender, race, age, looks, or even 'dogness' are potentially absent or alternatively fabricated or exaggerated with unchecked creative license for a multitude of purposes both legal and illegal", an understanding that echoed statements made in 1996 by John Gilmore, a key figure in the history of Usenet.

Who is making this statement? Is it a quote from the study, or a quote from John Gilmore? I'm guessing it's the latter. Either way, probably the quote should be replaced with a paraphrase. 0x0077BE ^{(talk · contrib)} 03:22, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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