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Article name

It strikes me that the article should be entitled something a bit more specific and WP:MOSNUM compliant. Perhaps it can be moved to Serbian revolution of 2000 or Serbian revolution of October 2000? Ohconfucius (talk) 09:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, in Serbia it is best known under this name - 5th October, nothing more, so I think the article name should include the specific date, although the protest did last for about two weeks. Yet, I agree that the title should be a little bit more specific, even the former name of the article, 5th October overthrow, was better than this one.--Vitriden (talk) 15:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, my concern over the title is twofold. As this is the English Wikipedia, I'm not concerned about slavishly following what they use in Serbia because we have our own naming conventions. Actually, there's also the issue of the use of ordinal dates, which is not encouraged here on WP. Ohconfucius (talk) 13:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
OK, but if there is not a commonly used English name of an event, and there is one in Serbian, why wouldn't we use and modify it, especially since it is in no way against the naming conventions. As for your suggestion, I have some doubt it should be called a "revolution", rather then "protests", "overthrow", or "Slobodan Milošević's regime downfall", since I am not sure it was a revolution as such. Also, as Serbia wasn't independent at the time, and the protests were over the election of the president of Yugoslavia, the term "Serbian" is also somehow inappropriate. Therefore, something like Serbian revolution of October 5, 2000 would be an acceptable, but not great solution...--Vitriden (talk) 15:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Good, I'm also open to suggestions. How about the Overthrow of Slobodan Milošević, or simply Overthrow of Milošević? Ohconfucius (talk) 04:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Overthrow of Slobodan Milošević isn't the best solution, but is the best I can think of... If I get to think of a better title, I'll post it here. If there's no objections, and I can't see anyone else except for the two of us here, go for it.--Vitriden (talk) 18:17, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I prefer Overthrow of the Socialist Regime of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia R.K the Dynamite (talk) 19:10, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

That title is too long and is not one that is commonly used. Charles Essie (talk) 00:37, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Emotionally charged

Some parts of the articles are obviously biased and emotionally charged. For example "harassed the independent media" does not describe any historical event in particular, but rather gives an opinion about those events.

Also, "most of the world's news organizations missed the real story" sounds rather journalistic. "world's news organizations"? Which ones? How do we know they were missing it as opposed to the some of the events that were not covered being insignificant and not newsworthy? Further in the paragraph, "year-long battle" is again not an objective term. Formulation like "an organized movement that lasted for a year, culminating in..., lead by..." might be more appropriate.

"[S]trip the tyrant" probably needs no explanation – clearly has no place in an encyclopedia article.

And so on. The whole article is generally fairly biased in many parts, and would probably require a thorough review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foxbunny (talk • contribs) 03:57, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus, so by default the page is not moved. Despite concerns about the current title, no alternative gained consensus support. The most widely-supported option was Yugoslav Bulldozer Revolution, but I attach a lot of weight to the evidence that this is a neologism. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:21, 4 February 2014 (UTC) BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:21, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Overthrow of Slobodan Milošević → Bulldozer Revolution – This is the most common name for this revolution. Charles Essie (talk) 18:25, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I support a move in theory because overthrow is frankly too strong of a word to describe what actually happened. But at the same time, I think revolution is still exaggerating the event. Something along the lines of 2000 October 5th demonstration would be more suitable. Buttons (talk) 04:29, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
This was a popular uprising that led to the downfall of an authoritarian regime, how is that not a revolution? Charles Essie (talk) 05:29, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
  • How is "Revolution" an exaggeration, this was a popular uprising consisting of revolutionary slogans, student protests, labor strikes, a storming of parliament, and the overthrow of an authoritarian head of state, if that's not a revolution, than what is? Charles Essie (talk) 18:40, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
  • That's exactly what happened, the Bulldozer Revolution resulted in the transformation of Yugoslavia from an authoritarian regime to a liberal democracy, there's your fundamental change. Charles Essie (talk) 21:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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Causes

I heard that one of causes of the Anti-Milosevic Protest was because he not allowed National Symbols like the Serbian Eagle on the State flag and the Political lose of Kosovo but I don't know if this is were true and I heard also Patriarch Pavle and the Serbian Orthodox Church were against the Socialist/Milosevic Regime --R.K the Dynamite (talk) 07:24, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Masha Gessen on US involvement in overthrowing Milošević

I am reading a blog by Steve Sailer that puts these events in a new light.

That's pretty interesting. The Wikipedia article on the subject doesn't mention anything about American involvement in the overthrow of Milosevic, but I presume Ms. Gessen knows of what she speaks.

Then the original article by Masha Gessen:

After the bombing campaign, which strengthened support for Milosevic and weakened his opponents, the U.S. poured cash into rebuilding the Serbian opposition. The funding was contingent on the disparate opposition groups agreeing to work together and attending regular coordination meetings held in Budapest, Hungary, and run by people whom participants understood to represent the State Department. The plan for the anti-Milosevic revolution was worked out in these meetings down to the smallest detail, including where the leaders of each of the 18 participating political organizations would be if mass protests broke out in Belgrade. They did, in October 2000, and Milosevic didn't seem to know what hit him.

I would consider the Gessen article in Slate a reliable source on this topic. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 19:52, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Nothing new here. The opposition meetings with Madeleine Albright were televised and Otpor called Madlen jugend by the regime.67.164.215.36 (talk) 04:54, 11 February 2015

21st century

Last year of the 20th century is 2000 and the first year is 2001,so this technically wasn't anti-government protest of the 21st century but of the 20th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belgrade1302 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Seems right to me; category fixed. Klbrain (talk) 15:20, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Fall, Downfall or Overthrow

Gbooks hits has:

  • "Fall of Slobodan Milošević" (30)
  • "Fall of Milošević" (30)
  • "Downfall of Milošević" (30)
  • "Overthrow of Milošević" (30)
  • "Downfall of Slobodan Milošević" (21)
  • "Overthrow of Slobodan Milošević" (20)

The following monographs also points to the word fall being proper in describing the event(s).--Zoupan 00:42, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

  • D. Bujosevic; I. Radovanovic (9 May 2003). The Fall of Milosevic: The October 5th Revolution. Palgrave Macmillan US. pp. 2–. ISBN 978-1-4039-7677-2.
  • Lenard J. Cohen (2001). Serpent in the Bosom: The Rise and Fall of Slobodan Milošević. Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-2902-4.

In Gbooks hits in Serbo-Croatian, "fall" is however found less than in English:

  • pad Miloševića (18); пад Милошевића (4); Милошевићев пад (6); Miloševićev pad (2)
  • pad Slobodana Miloševića (6); пад Слободана Милошевића (4)

Any thoughts?--Zoupan 00:42, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 31 May 2020

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Relisted once already, no prospect of consensus to move. Andrewa (talk) 04:45, 15 June 2020 (UTC)


Overthrow of Slobodan Milošević → Bulldozer Revolution – There's no reason to have a descriptive title when the subject of this article already has a common name. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 17:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. buidhe 01:24, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Strong oppose 'Bulldozer Revolution' is not the common name in Great Britain. It is sometimes used, but 'sometimes' is not sufficient. Carandol (talk) 16:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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