Talk:Philadelphia Flyers

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Honored Members[edit]

This section (and it's subsections) have been changed to pros style (again), as called for by consensus at Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Ice Hockey/Team pages format. Any continous attempts to revert the section to a list style (against WikiProject's guidelines) could be seen as vandalism. GoodDay 19:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Trenton Devils[edit]

I am aware that the Devils bought the Titans and changed the name, but I am not sure that the Flyers have terminated their affiliation with them, yet. Do any links exist which might prove the affiliation agreement has been terminated? --207.69.140.25 20:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

You have to remember though that the affiliation system in hockey, especially in the levels below the AHL, aren't like that of what you see in baseball. While many of the teams do have affiliate relationships to a NHL club, not all do, in the ECHL their not as exclusive as the affiliate relationships are in baseball, also considering that some ECHL teams are affiliated to more then one NHL team, for example the Florida Everblades are affiliated with the Carolina Hurricanes and Florida Panthers on the NHL level but are only affiliated to the Albany River Rats on the AHL level. As for you question, based on the information on the ECHL, it would lead me to believe, also based on the press releases by Trenton and NJ, that the Flyers no longer have a relationship with the Trenton club and are w/o an ECHL affiliate. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 23:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I do believe the "Devils" are specifically a NJ Devils affiliate only, otherwise they would have kept an ambiguous name, like Titans.Darthflyer 03:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any mention of an affiliation on the websites of the Flyers, the Phantoms, The Trenton Devils, or the ECHL. ccwaters 19:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I recall reading what I think was a blog entry hoping the Flyers would continue to send players to Trenton a while back, but until I find it (if I ever do), the following links will have to suffice.

First there is this article saying David Laliberte may end up in Trenton...

His Flyers contract is a two-way deal, meaning if he doesn’t stick with Philadelphia or its farm team, the Phantoms, and goes to the East Coast Hockey League (and Flyers’ affiliate the Trenton Titans), he’ll still make AHL money.

An incentive Laliberte hopes keeps him in the Keystone State.

“I don’t want to be sent to the East Coast (Hockey League). I got to work to stay in the AHL, but you never know. It always depends on your camp. After that they will evaluate all that stuff.” [1]

Then there is this protected list of players from Trenton which includes two Phantoms players from last year (Zingoni spent most of the season with the Phantoms).

The Devils’ protected list consists on the following players: goaltender Joel Martin; defensemen Chris Barr, Jerramie Domish, Daryl Marcoux, Jake Ortmeyer, James Pemberton, Evan Shaw, Luis Tremblay and Brett Westgarth; and forwards Scott Bertoli, Chris Capraro, Les Haggett, Jim Henkel, Gregg Johnson, John Laliberte, Mike Manley, Troy Riddle and Peter Zingoni. [2]

I still think it is premature to delist Trenton as an affiliate without confirmation. When the Devils bought the Titans, that didn't mean the Flyers were suddenly no longer affiliates. While the name change might indicate that the relationship is coming to an end soon if not already, there is no confirmation suggesting it is over yet. I suspect confirmation will only come when either the Flyers name a replacement affiliate or when the time comes to send extra Phantoms players to the ECHL this fall. Until then, I think the Trenton Devils should be left on the affiliates list. --207.69.140.51 21:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, and I'll use something from the ECHL website as a source. It lists the ECHL teams and their NHL and AHL affiliates as of May 22nd, 2007 and the Flyers aren't on the list at all. BsroiaadnTalk 21:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Found this on a message board:[3]

Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren said that no decision had been made in regard to the Flyers continuing to send players to Trenton. Trenton has been the Flyers' ECHL affiliate since the club began play in 1999.

It was an easy decision for the Flyers when the Bermans owned the team, but since the Devils took ownership last September, things have changed.

"We still intend to talk and see where we're at," Holmgren said. "The Devils at some point intend to make that a full-fledged developmental team of their own, whether that's this season or some time down the road. But we do intend to talk and see where we're at."

Holmgren said there are other options, but Trenton makes the most sense.

"Geographically it makes a lot of sense," he said. "We've had a good relationship in the past and it's something we need to explore."

Article Improvement[edit]

I made a couple changes to this page in the past day, most notably the expansion of the Franchise history. There are certain places I should have trimmed down a little more so as to not make the History of the Philadelphia Flyers article irrelevant (though if articles are created for every single Flyers season like 2006-07, that is something that may come to pass).

I have pretty much stuck to the Devils page format but I do wonder about the Franchise records section. Perhaps some of those records could be tacked onto the Philadelphia Flyers seasons article? If we are to have such a section, the only records worth noting are the franchise career marks, in my opinion. I guess it largely depends on the rationale for the inclusion of records when the Devils article received FA-status, which I am unaware of.

I think the effort should be made to get this article FA-status since it doesn't seem that far away as it is (sourcing being the major deterrent to those chances). I am not sure how to go about this, however. --207.69.140.25 20:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Although I personally can't stand the Flyers, I'd help with this if we can get it started. The Flyers (although I hate to admit it), have a very interesting history full of major accomplishments as well as tragedy (the goalie who died while drunk driving...I can't think of his name at the moment). BsroiaadnTalk 03:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
That would be Pelle Lindbergh (1959-1985). GoodDay 21:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Wiki's History of the Flyers: 184 kb. History of the American Revolution: 149 kb. Priorities, people! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.137.13 (talk) 02:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Pics[edit]

More Jersey pictures needed in the appropriate section; specifically current uniform pictures. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 04:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

"The Philadelphia Flyers have the second best winning percentage in the NHL behind the Montreal Canadiens."[edit]

Is there some kind of source for this claim? --4.239.168.139 18:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

What team has the best all time win percentage in the NHL? I checked to make sure the win percentage of .576 is correct and it is. --72.25.23.15 (talk) 06:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Radio and television[edit]

Is this section really necessary? Since the media outlets are already listed in the infobox it doesn't add much of anything to the article. --4.239.168.25 20:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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Philadelphia Flyers task force[edit]

Is anyone interested in joining the Flyers task force? --Flyer47 (talk) 12:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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Cooperalls[edit]

What is shown in the article right now is not correct. The Flyers did not wear Cooperalls for two seasons.

While they wore long pants for 1981/82 and 1982/83, at least in 1982/83 they wore a long-pant product from CCM, and their equipment may have been CCM products in 1981/82. Cooperalls were made by a different company, Cooper.

Michael Poplawski (talk) 19:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Simpsons[edit]

In one of the Simpsons episode's, the Philadelphia Flyers team of 1976 appears. And they are portrayed in an evil manner. Why is that? What was so "evil" or "bad" about the team of 1976? Or was it just a joke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.153.200.190 (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The Flyers in the 70's were known as the Broadstreet Bullies. The reason for this was that they fought alot more than most teams and often used dirty playing tactics. (atleast thats what non-flyers fans will say. flyer fans will probably think they did no wrong lol.) -Djsasso (talk) 20:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

A Must add section[edit]

I think (and nobody ever listens to me so im probably wasting time) that there is a need for an additional section about the constant change is goalies. The flyers changed there goalies so fast and so much that they received a nickname. Can anybody mention there goalie change. I think after Garph Snow they changed there goalie almost every year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.31.254 (talk) 03:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Playoff starters since Hextall/Snow in '97 - Burke '98, Vanbiesbrouck '99, Boucher '00, Cechmanek '01/'02/'03, Esche '04/'06, Biron '08/'09
I think it is an angle that is over-played by the media. When compared to certain teams such as the Devils with Brodeur, yes it is a glaring difference. However, when you compare it with other NHL teams it isn't as bad. If the Flyers weren't so tight against the salary cap this past summer and Biron had lowered his salary demands (he wanted $4 million and ended up getting less than half that on a one-year contract from the Islanders), Biron would more than likely still be the starting goaltender. --Stevenparkie (talk) 22:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Many teams, especially in this free agent era, have similar revolving doors. Right now, for instance, the Bruins have only FIVE players on their payroll who started the season only three years ago. If we're talking goalies, Buffalo's had four starters in the last ten years - Hasek, Biron, Noronen and Miller - and that's the exact same number the Flyers have had. It's useful before deciding that the team you root for's unique in some way to find some sources saying so.  Ravenswing  04:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Heck there was a year that the Calgary Flames had I think it was 6 maybe 7 starters in a single year. They kept losing them to injuries. -DJSasso (talk) 04:33, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
And while I'm thinking the Sabres and recent history alone, there's the turbulent pre-Hasek stretch: Barrasso was the starter in 1988, Jacques Cloutier in 1989, Darren Puppa in 1990, Clint Malarchuk in 1991, Tom Draper took over from Malarchuk and Puppa in 1992, Grant Fuhr in 1993, and by 1994 Hasek was in place. Seven seasons, seven starters. I remembered that because I wrote a piece for a hockey website in the fall of 2001 bitching out the Sabres fans for screaming for Biron's head, on the grounds that the hyena pack had driven out of town some perfectly good goalies while team defense (led by Dale "Who, me, backcheck?" Hawerchuk) was allowing 35 shots a game, and were screeching now because Biron had the bad luck to follow the best six-season stretch of goaltending in the whole expansion era.  Ravenswing  06:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Didn't the Blues or Nordiques have a season of numerious goalies? GoodDay (talk) 13:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Probably. I only remember the flames one because I was living there at the time and there was a cartoon cover on one of the papers with like 6 or 7 goalie masks on the front and some joke type comment when the Freddy Brathwaite was signed as the last of the string Here we go.. -DJSasso (talk) 14:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Howabout the 1989-90 Nordiques: Ron Tugnutt, Jacques Cloutier, John Tanner, Stephane Fiset, Scott Gordon, Greg Millen, Mario Brunetta & Sergei Mylnikov. GoodDay (talk) 14:13, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Tampa Bay had 5-6 goalies a season in the late 90ies. [4] [5] [6] ccwaters (talk) 15:17, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Indeed, thus we don't need such a section within this article 'or' any of the other NHL team articles. GoodDay (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

New user, found a GLARING problem[edit]

Sorry to have to do an edit, on the Philadelphia Flyers page, but...under the "Broad Street Bullies" section, when the topic of their games against the Red Army comes about, there was a BIG error. I changed "Wachovia arena" to "Spectrum" since that is what the arena they played in was known as.

How do I know this? I spent the better part of my childhood (8 to 18) with season tickets to the Flyers games at the Spectrum. It wasn't until the new arena was built (originally the "CoreStates Center") that Wachovia became involved.

I made this edit for all hockey fans, Flyers fans specifically.

Any issues, my email is pridewalker666@hotmail.com.

Respect to the original poster, but the Spectrum is not the FU center. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.196.11 (talk) 09:15, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

flyers make history[edit]

WOO! Flyers make history as being the 6th team (I think) to come back from a 0-3 defeceit in a 7-game series and win. I can personally stand the flyers. I'm not sure if this should be listed here because it is already listed at this page Sorry if I'm being too enthusiastic for Wikipedia. 69.136.72.16 (talk) 01:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I think it is quite noteworthy of writing the 3-0 zip game comeback but can we get someone who isn't such a diehard fan to clean this up so it doesn't sound like an article written up by a fan/ sports illustrated writer, the idea is to present the facts without having a fan bias, I know its exciting to see but lets make an effort to be objective... saying that lets hope we can see the broad street bullies end up in the finals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.53.75.154 (talk) 19:02, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect Info[edit]

In the list of conference championships, 1976-77 is listed. The Flyers lost that year in the conference finals to Boston. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pressman (talkcontribs) 04:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Conference championships went to the regular season champs from '74 to '81. --24.152.220.10 (talk) 06:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You are correct. I was not aware of that.Pressman (talk) 06:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC) Yes there is other errors too in the 'conference champions' section. I think this is due to a misunderstanding about the cambpell bowl/wales trophy. The Flyers played in the Stanley Cup Finals in 74,75,76,80,85,87,97, and 10. During the late 70's/early 80's the campbell bowl was given to the regular season conference champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbittner (talkcontribs) 23:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

With regards to the Flyers and Kate Smith's 'God Bless America', there was incorrect information claiming the tradition was started. In truth, the tradition had been started some years earlier. I have rewrote the basics and moved it to the appropriate section, as well as mentioning the importance of the tradition during the 1973-74 season and playoffs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helmut Hedd (talkcontribs) 18:55, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Division titles[edit]

The Flyers consider themselves division champions 15 times. That includes 1982–83 and 1985–86 and doesn't include 1988–89. See the Flyers 2010–11 Media Guide, p298. I'm aware there are some teams who go by the playoff champion and I think at least one has banners for both (Pittsburgh?). But the Flyers go by the regular season champion and it should remain as such in this and other Flyers articles. --Izzygood (talk) 19:53, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, we have a bit of a discussion regarding this ongoing at WT:HOCKEY. There is question as to who, exactly, won those divisions between 1982 and 1993. Resolute 20:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps the 2010-11 book is making an error in retroactive info. Re-starting with the 1993-94 season, all division titles are of the regular season. But from 1981-82 to 1992-93, playoff division titles were apart of the picture, along with regular season titles. GoodDay (talk) 00:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Not unless they switched the banners and helped the Capitals lift this one up to the rafters. The Islanders also appear to go by regular season titles. The last one to the right in the picture, 1987–88, is shared by the Devils, who at least have it as "Patrick Division Playoff Champions". The Canucks have banners for both regular season and playoff division titles without distinguishing between the two. There just doesn't seem to be an official league-wide standard for who was the "true" division champion for that time period and to enforce one standard across Wikipedia when the NHL didn't bother to seems wrong to me. --Izzygood (talk) 04:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
My idea was best, as it designated which were playoff & which were both. GoodDay (talk) 13:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps with a note that the Flyers only have banners for the regular season titles? --Izzygood (talk) 18:22, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I used an asterisk next to '84-85, '86-87 & '88-89 & explained that the NHL recognized Divison playoff champs from 1981-82 to 1992-93. GoodDay (talk) 18:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
The NHL media guides from that time period only recognize the playoff version as the division champions. The teams themselves as is noted vary on what they acknowledge, but really that comes down to just trying to promote their own product. But the official NHL guides have been recognizing the playoff version as the division champions. Banners are really up to the individual teams as there are no league rules on what you can put up a banner for or not. And individual media guides are also created by the individual teams so can probably also be chalked up to trying to promote their own product. Really its only what the league considers the division champion that matters. -DJSasso (talk) 16:59, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
We're currently not showing all the division playoff champions, on all the team articles though. Here (for example), the Flyers were 1989 Divison playoff champions -yet we're not showing that-. GoodDay (talk) 17:46, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I would like some proof regarding these NHL media guides from the 1980s since these things should be cited and not merely assumed. Do the modern media guides differ? Do they list both regular season and playoff champions? --Izzygood (talk) 18:22, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

What's the problem with the word Erased?![edit]

I think erased would make more sense.

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Favell gives up goal from 80' feet out[edit]

I edited the text regarding the goal that Flyers goalie Doug Favell gave up against Buffalo's Gerry Meehan in 1972. The distance Meehan was from the Flyer's goal was greatly exaggerated in the text and in NHL folklore over the years. I have seen the goal on YouTube and it was from inside the blue line, not at center ice or 80 feet out as written here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helmut Hedd (talkcontribs) 05:46, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Retired numbers[edit]

So does anyone know why retired numbers are not displayed in the navbox like they are in other leagues? If there is no "rule" against it, then should we add them? Peetlesnumber1 (talk) 22:50, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Because the purpose of a navbox is to aid navigation of key articles around a topic, not to stuff every link with a tangental relationship to a topic into one big mess of a template. Doubly so since the format other league projects use to note retired numbers are easter eggs of no value to a reader. Same reason why I, and many WP:HOCKEY members oppose the silly links to championship or near-championship seasons. There are core articles on the Flyers that will lead a reader to this information in a more organized way. Most notably, Philadelphia Flyers itself. Resolute 23:30, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Yep. As with many other pieces of information that people want to stuff into leads, templates or infoboxes, I have a bit of advice for those interested in a hockey team's retired numbers: read the article. Ravenswing 02:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)