Talk:Philadelphian cricket team

Notable Players

I'm thinking of putting more information about the notable players on this page. I've started to do so with Bart King here. Any thoughts on a format like this being used for this article? I'm also working on GS Patterson article here.--Eva ^bd 19:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

So long as all the notable players have articles of their own that can be linked to, then I can't really see much point in having more than the briefest of summaries - say a sentence or two. Anyone who is really interested in the player can follow the link to find out more. JH (talk page) 19:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Good Article Candidate?

Now that this article has been spruce up a bit and some more citations have been added, what are the thoughts about nominating it for listing as a Good Article?--Eva ^bd 19:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Why not? :) BTW, I see that the article is Low importance for the Philadelphis project, which I can understand from that project's perspective. Would it be worth adding a Cricket project ranking as well (for which I think it might rate as Mid importance)? Added later: Oops. I see you've already added the Cricket project banner. JH (talk page) 20:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It talks only about the first-class matches. I think it should cover both pre and post this era (assuming that the team did exists at other times) and provide more context about the historical significance of the team (and this should perhaps be expanded in a Cricket in Philadelphia article). Tintin 02:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Good point, Tintin. I'll see what I can find about the other cricket played by the team.--Eva ^bd 15:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Presumably, John Lester's A Century of Philadelphia Cricket (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1951.) will have more information on non-first-class matches. I've stil not been able to get my hands on it. Does anyone else own it?--Eva ^bd 14:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

It will a be great catch if you can get the Lester book. Melville says in the bibliography that "until now John Lester's A century of Philadelphia cricket and John Marder's the International Series (London:Kaye & Ward, 1968) were the only full-length works on American cricket history. Lester's work provides valuable first hand accounts and pen portraits of late 19th cent Phil cricket, while Marder's stands as a useful documentary resource but neither treats his subject in a critical or analytical fashion". Melville's book is fine work of research but I found it a little too scholarly for my level of knowledge. You should find it much easier because you have first-hand knowledge of a lot of the things discussed. Tintin 15:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Template?

Is there a Cricket wikiproject template available for a first-class team such as the Philadelphians? I think there are templates for test teams and other national teams, but what of the Philadelphians? Thanks.--Eva ^bd 15:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Ask and you shall receive. I've created a former first-class cricket team template and added it to the article.Andrew nixon 18:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow...looks great. Thanks.--Eva ^bd 19:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Total number of f-c matches

I can't provide a citation (as has been requested) for the numbers of wins, losses and draws, but I can confirm the figure of 89 for the total number of matches. I did this by going to CricketArchive, using the Scorecard Oracle, putting "Philadelphia" into the team box (to catch all likely variants of the team name), and selecting the f-c radio button. I see that there are a few of those matches for which CricketArchive doesn't have the scorecards. JH (talk page) 19:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

My search on Cricket Archive showed that they had scorecards for all the Philadelphian first-class games. It would be handy if Cricket Archive give actual links to their search results! Andrew nixon 20:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it would make giving citations much easier. I'd assumed that CA were missing scorecards for the games whose links that came up in red, but perhaps that indicates something else. JH (talk page) 20:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

You may notice a correlation between the redlinks there and the scorecards you've looked at... Andrew nixon 20:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

To bring it back to the citation issue, perhaps we could add a list of results to the article. Each one of those can be cited, thus negating the need for a citation of the overall record. Andrew nixon 20:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

It would be a rather long list, so perhaps the list would be better as a separate linked article? (And "Doh!" at my own stupidity regarding the CA red links. :) JH (talk page) 21:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure such a list is worth a separate article to be honest. Perhaps a "Summary of Results" table? Something like this extract:

Opposition	P	W	D	L	A	Sources
EJ Sander's XI	4	1	0	3	0	[1] [2] [3] [4]
Kent	4	1	0	3	0	[5] [6] [7][8]
Ireland	3	3	0	0	0	[9] [10][11]

I like that. JH (talk page) 09:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks good.--Eva ^bd 21:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that the arithmetic was off a little bit on the figures. My adding showed 45 draws and 88 total matches. This now goes well with the number of reference links cited, so I think it's right.--Eva ^bd 13:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it correct to count Gentlemen of Philadelphia as Philadelphia Tintin 14:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I would think so. From what I've read, this was generally a Gentlemen's team, anyway.--Eva ^bd 14:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

To-Do List

The following things are taken from the Peer Review of this article. Feel free to add more as time goes on and more things are found.

• Make a general copyedit of the article for more compelling prose.
• Find citable evidence of activity before and after first class span.
• Determine if the team had an official home ground.
• Incorporate PD images of the grounds that were used.
• Determine if a team logo was ever used and find a usable image.
• Create a graph of the FC wins/losses.

If you can think of other important points that need addressing, please add them to the list. If you have fulfilled one of these requests, please strike it out. Thanks a lot.--Eva ^bd 14:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

NY Times

In the current Signpost, there is a notice that the New York Times has now allowed free access to all articles written from 1851 to 1922. This covers beyong the entire first-class history of the Philadelphians, so there may be some good information that can be used in the article. I'll start looking this weekend.--Eva ^bd 17:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks promising. The first item in a search for cricket is a letter from a member of the Staten Island cricket Club about the 1909 USA v Canada match in Philadelphia! Any idea what the copyright on these articles is? Are they in the public domain? Andrew nixon 17:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

When I sorted on "oldest first", I turned up some interesting stuff from the 1850s, including a report of a match between New York and Philadelphia played in 1854. JH (talk page) 18:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

According to the Signpost notice, all the articles from 1851 until 1922 are in the public domain.--Eva ^bd 19:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Great. I've also found some stuff about tours to and from Bermuda, Ireland and Scotland, so it won't just be US cricket it helps us for. Andrew nixon 19:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

This is excellent news. Are there any important newspapers in the major cricketing countries (England especially from my POV) that offer the same comprehensive access to old archive issues that the NYT now does? It's just a shame that the first article I turned up was AUSTRALIANS WIN TITLE.; Defeat English Cricket Team Three Straight in Championship Series. That blasted 1920-21 Ashes series, of course! Loganberry (Talk) 23:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Australian Cricket (Rebel) Tour of North America in 1913 - New Article

Gentles, perhaps you might advise me in what might be a wiki Maiden Over. I am considering starting the development of a new Article related to the 1913 "Rebel Tour" by the Australian Team of North American cities. Any suggestions welcome - especially relating to best-practice content and format ?

Its Captain was Austin Diamond, who as well as playing NSW Sheffield Shield (and Club) Cricket, was also a Baseball player. Among various anecdotes, I recall reading that the Team visited a famous Baseball Stadium, and while the Baseball players had great difficulty dealing with balls delivered by Australian bowlers, perhaps not surprisingly Diamond could hit an American Pitcher's.

As an example of this, have a look at - http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/117421647?searchTerm=austin%20diamond%20cricket%20baseball&searchLimits= if you are interested in both Baseball and Cricket from an Australian's perspective in 1913.121.127.213.23 (talk) 11:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Good luck with that. I suspect that you might get a better response if you ask on the Cricket project's talk page. JH (talk page) 17:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)