Talk:Roberto Baggio

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Height is wrong[edit]

Hi, I think the height of Baggio in his profile is wrong. The two height measurements don't add up. Please correct. Ondog 07:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC) The correct Roberto Baggio's height is 174 cm (5'8 1/2): now it's ok.--Swirlan (talk) 16:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


This is DEFINITELY not an objective piece. I would fix it myself, but knowing very little about Baggio the player, I opt not to so as not to incorrectly reference anything. It definitely needs a scouring though as there is A LOT of POV. empty_jester

I am inclined to agree with the above (see example below). "He was the best Italian player of the 1994 FIFA World Cup, single handedly carrying his team to the final". Moreover, I think there is a high degree of probability that this piece was produced by someone closely related to Baggio, if not by Baggio himself. Kenneth —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

--Closely related to Baggio or Baggio himself? Do you think Michael Jordan is editing his own wiki, because Baggio is far bigger than that. This isn't some small player who might be interested in rewriting his career, this is quite possibly the greatest Italian soccer player of all time, perhaps one of the greatest soccer players of all time. Beckham wouldn't be fit to touch Baggio's cleats. ~Alessio

There is NO question with 5 goals and the winners 2 games in a row, Baggio was the Best player for the Azzurri, and the reason they were in the finals. Disputing that is ridiculous —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

--Agreed. Baggio literally carried the team in the USA World Cup, it's not POV, it's a fact. ~Alessio


Perhaps in the above sentence, the word that should be changed is "single-handedly." Since football is a team sport, it's impossible to say that a player single-handedly does anything." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snake78 (talkcontribs) 15:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Have you ever watched a football match or did you only read 'football is a team sport' in the corresponding article? :/ Luckz (talk) 01:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I doubt that Roberto Baggio speaks English, so don't accuse him of stooping so low as to post a send-up of himself on a free encyclopedia. The fact that this article is in such a sorry state (it being about one of the best players of all time) reflects poorly upon modern football fans and their collective lack of knowledge of players who started playing more than ten years ago. That being said, this article is very poorly written in almost every way. Someone with knowledge of the player should overhaul it. I might myself one of these days. Wannabe rockstar (talk) 20:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I apologise to anyone who may take offence to the ensuing comments, but enough is enough! Empty Jester, Snake78 and myself are the only individuals who have demonstrated that they can distinguish between a fact and an opinion thus far. For example, "Agreed. Baggio literally carried the team in the USA World Cup, it's not POV, it's a fact. ~Alessio". I don't know where to start with this one. Firstly, unless Baggio has upperbody strength equivalent to Superman, this is not true. Therefore, despite what you say, it is NOT A FACT. The use of the word "literally" is both erroneous and ridiculous as the meaning that is intended to be conveyed by the word is absolutely opposite to the meaning literally conveyed by it. Perhaps "metaphorically" would be more appropriate. I do think that Roberto Baggio is one of the top 10,000 players of all time, but this is still an opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

There certainly are statements within the articles that are subjective, however it is relatively difficult to describe the career of a football player without a certain level of subjectivity as it is not a quantifiable science. Alessio's sentence is technically incorrect, however considering English is not his native language and the word literally is banded around with abandon I'm certain he can be forgiven for the mistake. It is much easier to discuss a problem and arrive at a solution if people talk to each other on the same level, so perhaps you should climb down from your (metaphorical) high horse. I would also dispute your definition of a fact; it is not a truth that must be proved beyond doubt, it is the best explanation available that cannot be disproved at that point in time. It is widely accepted by 'football experts' and Italian football pundits that Roberto Baggio was the protagonist in Italy's journey to the USA '94 final, of course there was entire squad and each contributed. From the evidence available Baggio's contribution however is considered to be the greatest within the team. the inclusion of the belief Your argument against f that Baggio was the primary reason for Italy's success in the '94 World Cup would also prohibit the inclusion of any statement beyond physical observations such as height, physique and statistics regarding goals and the clubs which players have played. "Cruyff was known for his technical ability, speed and acceleration, but his greatest quality was vision, based on an acute sense of his team-mates' positions as an attack unfolded." - Taken from the Johan Cruijff article on Wikipedia; this statement is equally as subjective as those found within this article on Baggio, would this statement also be prohibited under your proposed guidelines?

The comment that this has been written by someone close to or by Baggio himself is particularly naive, outside Italy Baggio has thousands of devoted fans who would go to the trouble of writing and ammending this article, within Italy he is quite simply adored. Baggio is also a very humble person who shuns the spotlight and prefers a simple life from all reports which only makes this claim more ludicrous than it was.

The main complaint regarding this article is purely immature writing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

First of all, whilst we can assume that on the balance of probabilities, somebody named Alessio is likely to be Italian, the said subject has thus far demonstrated himself to have an excellent grasp of the English language. Indeed, if he had been named Andrew, nobody would have had the slightest inclination that English was not his native language. Therefore, the fact that his native language is unlikely to be English is irrelevant - he should be judged in-line with anybody who has a similar level of English. Moreover, there are no grammatical errors in this sentence (or any other sentence of his on this page for that matter).

Secondly, the comment about Baggio writing this page himself was a joke. No offense was intended so please don't try to take any.

Thirdly, I never once tried to provide a definition of a fact. However, I actually agree with the one that you provide, which makes me all the more perplexed as when I apply this definition to the article as a whole, there are still numerous things being said as if they are facts when they are actually opinions (e.g. "He was the best Italian player of the 1994 FIFA World Cup, single handedly carrying his team to the final"). The problem is not with the content, it is with the way the statement is written - as if there is no scope to disagree with it. It is a fact that Baggio played X amount of games for one team, and scored Y amount of goals for another. It is not a fact that he was the best Italian player of the 1994 FIFA World Cup. For your information, I never once disputed that "Baggio was the primary reason for Italy's success in the '94 World Cup". I actually agree that he was - but I don't agree with the way the point was made. And I do think that the Johan Cruyff quote should be amended to something like: "Cruyff was known for his technical ability, speed and acceleration, but many believe his greatest quality was vision, based on an acute sense of his team-mates' positions as an attack unfolded". There is nothing wrong with being subjective or objective. But pretending to be objective whilst actually being subjective is a style of writing better suited to a tabloid newspaper than to a credible encyclopedia site.

Baggio pic[edit]

I'm sorry, but I can't stand the current image of Baggio on this page. It seems to say "I love the 1990's" :-) But seriously, can someone get a better image, like one of him wearing a jersey or something? ChaChaFut 03:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Numerous factual errors. Lippi was not the manager at Inter until Baggio's second season there. THere was no conflict of paying time between Baggio and Ronaldo (Ronaldo was injured the majority of the time Baggio was there). Lippi preferred to sit Baggio for Alvaro Recoba or utility midfielders.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 17:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC) --True, but Lippi never was a fan of Baggio. He dumped him for Del Piero at Juventus and didn't really play him when he took of the Azzurri coaching job. ~Alessio

use the one on the italian page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 03:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

That image, it:Immagine:Roberto_Baggio_Usa_94.jpg, has no source or licensing info and is likely to be deleted. --Muchness 07:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I'm Giovanni. I have te make a small correction: the italian nickname of Roberto Baggio was "Il Divin Codino", without the o in "divino" Giovanni—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 15:43, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure that isn't just in your dialect? Divino is correct in Italian...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 17:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's Italian and not dialect, just poetic let's say! It was used in the whole Italy! --Lanerossi 23:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

--Giovanni is right. Divino is the adjective, but it's shorted in colloquial Italian. It's not wrong to call him the "divino codino" but he is commonly known as "il Divin Codino." ~alessio

Baggio 1998 world cup[edit]

its factually wrong to say he played for 90 minutes. he came on late in the game to replace del piero and in minutes, he had manufactured the equaliser through a hand ball penalty. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 22:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Roby started that game against Chile. Del Piero did not play. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

The immediate above comment is correct. Baggio started and played all 90 minutes, it is not factually incorrect. Del Piero was left on the bench for the entire game against Chile. Check the facts. ~Alessio

Baggio missed his penalty kick causing Italy to lose to the eventual champions France signifying one of the most upsetting moments in World Cup history. => this is wrong. 1998_FIFA_World_Cup#Quarter-finals —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Inter Milan Edit & Ref[edit]

Updated the Appearances and goals while his time at Inter Milan, it appereared to be incorrect; Baggio scored 11 Serie A goals for the Nerazzurri and not '9' as what was mentioned. Quote the reference from Inter Archive below; Link.

Thanks.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 09:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


hey mans!!! Where is foto of THE BEST PLAYER OF FOOTBALL IN THE WORLD THE GLORYUOS ROBERTO BAGGIO—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 00:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Editors have so far been unable to locate an image that meets Wikipedia's image use policy. --Muchness 02:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


who is deleting the Baggio quotes? there is nothing wrong with them, stop removing them —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 01:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

I am deleting them, as I have told you multiple times. They are unsourced and there are far too many of them. You have been warned about this multiple times. Please do not end up being blocked by reinserting them. Gwernol 01:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Boca Juniors[edit]

He's a fan of Boca. His wife said "Roberto no sigue el fútbol de Italia; no le interesan ni Juventus, ni Milan ni Inter; mantiene interés por un solo equipo: Boca Juniors. Roberto sigue al club más importante de la Argentina. Es una pasión que le nació de sus visitas al país de Maradona y de Riquelme. Allí el fútbol es pasión y espectáculo". (La Gazzetta dello Sport)


Individual honours[edit]

"Fourth soccer player always (to the shoulders of Pelè, Maradona and Eusebio) second a promoted world-wide survey from the FIFA via Internet". This sentence makes no sense. Anyone know what it means? 11:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea. I guess that somebody has put something in another language into an online translator and then pasted it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a direct translation from Italian, the correct form would be: "Fourth best player of all time (behind Pele', Maradona and Eusebio respectively) according to a world wide survey promoted by FIFA" —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Moving to Inter[edit]

it says "After the 1998 World Cup, Baggio signed with Inter Milan. This proved to be an unfortunate move, as the then coach Marcello Lippi did not favour Baggio and hardly played him"

Lippi was not coach of Inter in 1998 though, Simone was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ucl1986 (talkcontribs) 02:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

This is a poorly written and researched article. Baggio was a marvelous player but this has clearly been written by a partisan fan rather than by someone with an eye for neutrality. I shall correct it soon, when I have time. A number of statements are wrong and there's far too much personal opinion.

Baggio's Goals[edit]

Baggio scored 205 goals in italian serie A, this page said 291. There is an error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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Could someone please find a licensed image that could be used for this article? It's utterly ridiculous that no one has been able to find one for a footballer this well known. The photo really adds to the article. I think one of him playing with Italy would be best, since he is most remembered for his performances with Italy since he played with 7 clubs. Thanks. Messirulez (talk) 01:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Roberto Baggio/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 22:14, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Will make a start on this soon JAGUAR  22:14, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

  • "Baggio shattered both the anterior cruciate ligament and the meniscus of his right knee against Rimini on 5 May 1985" - try Baggio shattered both the anterior cruciate ligament and the meniscus of his right knee whilst playing against Rimini on 5 May 1985
  • "he also placed eighth in the 1990 Ballon d'Or. With Fiorentina, Baggio scored 55 goals in 136 appearances, 39 of which were in Serie A, in 94 appearances." - this needs a citation
  • "he was also awarded the Onze d'Or, and the World Soccer Player of the Year Award." - this needs a citation too
  • "Baggio placed second in the 1994 Ballon d'Or, third in the 1994 FIFA World Player of the Year, and was awarded the 1994 Onze de Bronze" - unsourced
  • The latter half of the last paragraph in the 1995–1997: Milan section is unsourced
  • "This proved to be an unfortunate move, as, after injuries, disappointing results" - unnecessary comma after "as"
  • Too many paragraphs start with "Baggio" in the 1994 FIFA World Cup section, try mixing it up
  • Too many short and stubby paragraphs in the After retirement; it would easy to merge some. Also, the last paragraph ("On 8 October 2008 Baggio appeared in a charity match between Milan and Fiorentina") doesn't appear to be in chronological order?
  • Too many quote boxes in the Style of play section - deleting one would would unbreak the formatting
  • Once again, some paragraphs can be merged in the In popular culture section to create better flow of the prose
  • Ref 17 and ref 18 are dead
  • Ref 39, ref 62, ref 84, ref 95, ref 127, ref 121, and ref 130 are all dead
  • No DAB links

This is a great article! The prose was excellent so I couldn't find many issues with that. There are a few unsourced claims and some linkrot that needs to be fixed, but other than that this is generally very solid and well written. On hold until all are clarified Good article on hold JAGUAR  12:11, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jaguar: Thanks for the review! I think I've fixed most of your concerns. If you could, take another look at the style of play section, as I think I've found a way to keep the format of the section decent without deleting a quote box (hard to choose), what do you think? Also with regards to the dead links, what do you suggest we do? Some dead links are sourced for a sentence among other working ones...would it be okay to just remove the dead ones? I was reading WP:LINKROT and played around with the first dead link and couldn't find anything in the Wayback machine. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 16:11, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

If they can't be archived through the Wayback Machine then it should be safe to remove them from the article as from what I've seen they don't seem to be essential. The solid writing and comprehensive sourcing elsewhere makes up for it. JAGUAR  20:32, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
@Jaguar: Thanks, all issues addressed. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 03:24, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! Without further ado I'll promote this as it meets the criteria. Good work! Good article JAGUAR  16:49, 21 November 2016 (UTC)