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I think someone redirected the link "Saiga" to the current "Saiga Antelope" and deleted the older, superior article. The old article also had a normal photograph instead of one of these 3-D jobs being posted everywhere. How many people have 3-D goggles anymore? (Edit: Looking at the redirect page for "Saiga," the article was simply longer, I suppose, though it should have been merged with the current one.) -- MLS

1/3+1/3=1?[edit]

"In springtime the mother gives birth, in one third of all cases two, or in one third one single foal."

This line here seems to be a bit ambiguous. I would edit it myself, but I am unsure of the intent of the statement and the actual facts about the subject matter. Thought I would make note so someone could fix it if they could.

I fixed it. probably you can check if the grammar is correct.--Altaileopard 07:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Mongolian Saiga[edit]

The Mammal Species of the World (MSW3) database lists a species called the Mongolian Saiga (Saiga borealis). Is this the same as Saiga tatarica mongolica? If so, which taxonomy is more up to date? Kaldari (talk) 04:37, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Endangered species?[edit]

How come there critically endangered?--97.127.52.198 (talk) 22:43, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Zoos that had them in the past[edit]

Quoted from the article: "Currently, only the Moscow Zoo and Askania-Nova keep saigas.[11] Cologne Zoological Garden and San Diego Zoo had them in the past. Pleistocene Park in northern Siberia plans to introduce the species."

Why is it that only cologne zoo and San Diego zoo are mentioned as zoos that previously held saiga? This implies that nowhere else has ever held them, however this is completely false. If you follow the reference [11] which is to a "zootierliste" page and click on former holdings you can see that a number of zoos in Europe (48!) have held saiga and it is likely that zoos otside europe have held this species. It should be changed to something that either lists all the zoos or (probably better) just says something like there being a lot of zoos previously holding the species.Jubblubs (talk) 19:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

These sentences "Today, the populations have again shrunk enormously — as much as 95% in 15 years, — and the saiga is classified as critically endangered by the IUCN. An estimated total number of 50,000 saigas survive today in Kalmykia, three areas of Kazakhstan and in two isolated areas of Mongolia" are a bit confusing with regards to the timeline. The word "today" is probably not a good idea in an encyclopedia anyways, and the population seems to have followed a fairly clear up-and-down over the past few decades. Articles about the May die-off often refer to the Saiga "success story" with a decade of growth to 250,000 animals. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 22:58, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

2015 epizootic outbreak[edit]

An estimated 40% of the species total population has just died? Isn't this quite significant and worthy of inclusion in the lede? I added it, but it was reverted without any explanation, or indeed an edit summary of any kind. Given that this is the reason it's now appearing on the front page, I'd have thought that was further reason to emphasise this news. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:35, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Dunno. Perhaps this does belong in the lead. It would probably help if the lead is improved first though. The 40% drop is significant but surely pales in comparison to the possibly 95% drop over 15 years. The lead mentions hunting in the 18th century but fails to mention much on the later recovery and then major drop, nor its use in TCM. If this more important info is in place, the addition of the recent epizootic outbreak wouldn't seem so out of place. Nil Einne (talk) 14:43, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I quite agree. The lede is meant to summarize the entire article. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
The "In The News" was not written well. It reads as if this is a routine occurrence. The past tense, "died" would have been grammatically correct because half have already died. Mkdwtalk 03:10, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Everything has to be "happening now" on ITN, doesn't it. How exciting. Can't recall exactly who posted it in such a state. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:50, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes it does. I'm simply stating that the choice of conforming to that format has not done this particular story and benefit. I'm just pointing this out in terms of the discussion above, not trying to change the ITN format or re-word it. Perhaps I could have been more clear about that but this was a section about emphasis and not about changing ITN. 16:51, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
"It reads as if this is a routine occurrence." hardly. If it was a routine occurrence it wouldn't be in the news, now would it? Moreover, the blurb is grammatically correct and in keeping with the way in which ITN blurbs are written. Of course, WP:ERRORS is that way if you wish to suggest an alternative phrasing. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:23, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
I used "routine" not in the sense it's pedestrian (as in not news worthy), but rather that it reads as if it happens every May on an annual cycle (and therefore routine). It's grammatically correct but implies it happens every May as opposed to this May only. I have no stake in changing it, merely stating it's not written clearly and was contributing to the conversation above. The need to conform the statement to the ITN present tense has not served this particular story well for the readership, that's all. I do think it's an important news story and should be mentioned at ITN. Mkdwtalk 16:49, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

"Tyga tartarica"[edit]

@Mysterioussprinkle: I'm confused by you recent edits to this page. Can you explain why you changed "Saiga tartarica" to "Tyga tartarica"? Jarble (talk) 04:39, 1 June 2015 (UTC)